Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!!

greenjeans · 2017-06-27 23:07:30

UPDATE: Discussion of latest Vuu-do development can be found at:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6944

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*Update* New Openbox 64 versions (1.0.7) uploaded, 2-02-2018* https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/files/Openbox/

Moved the project to Sourceforge now, Yahoo/Aabaco webhosting has no support and can't manage to accept an FTP upload faster than 16k. All images are fully updated as of a couple weeks ago, will run new ones if we get a large mass of updates.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/

Project only, not a distro as I have no real time for support or even an internet connection at my cabin.

This is for advanced users, and has been localized to English and UTF-8.

Vuu-do linux is a small, lightweight project based on Devuan and re-spun from Miyolinux. This is a minimal setup meant to be a base to build on with the programs/packages of your choice. There is an Openbox and also a Mate version.

It has all the infrastructure and utilities needed for a base system, but no browser or other programs installed. It is actually pretty cushy for Openbox, it's meant to make it easy for even a new linux user to use. The Mate version is similar but with the added functionality of the Mate DE.

There is also now a maximal version of both, with many added programs including:
Pale Moon web browser, Exaile, VLC, GIMP, Inkscape, Handbrake, XFburn (Brasero in the Mate version), Hexchat, Winff, a couple of Libreoffice programs (Calc for spreadsheets, Writer for .pdf's, .doc's, .rtf's etc.), some games, and some additional firmware and utilities.

VUU-DO stands for Veteran Unix User-do, because if I can do it, so can you. And all thanks to a lot of great VUA's who make VUU's possible.

Vuu-do is powered by Devuan with the help of a whole lotta fsmithred/Refracta magic and Miyolinux soul.

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Somewhat Reticent · 2017-06-28 09:34:11

These are nice! Full/max versions resemble my usual first test choices.
I recommend some sort of "dark" theme; Adwaita-Dark (for one) makes synaptic tolerable during dark-shift.
Not sure how to do that in OpenBox; I think synaptic takes gtk3.
Nice to see yad too - which repository is it in now?
Haven't tried PaleMoon on Linux for a while; nice to see it pick up (most) favorite add-ons, and OS theme.
(I have to add pavucontrol to get my speakers working right; maté's "sound" seems too dumb-down for me - minor.)
I see xfce-power-manager, is it better than the maté version?
Again, nice ISOs. Thanks!
:::
(No internet at your cabin? What do you do, sneaker-net from a library/café?)

greenjeans · 2017-06-28 20:19:15

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

These are nice! Full/max versions resemble my usual first test choices.
I recommend some sort of "dark" theme; Adwaita-Dark (for one) makes synaptic tolerable during dark-shift.
Not sure how to do that in OpenBox; I think synaptic takes gtk3.
Nice to see yad too - which repository is it in now?
Haven't tried PaleMoon on Linux for a while; nice to see it pick up (most) favorite add-ons, and OS theme.
(I have to add pavucontrol to get my speakers working right; maté's "sound" seems too dumb-down for me - minor.)
I see xfce-power-manager, is it better than the maté version?
Again, nice ISOs. Thanks!
:::
(No internet at your cabin? What do you do, sneaker-net from a library/café?)

Thanks!

Yep, I have to mess with Mate's sound preferences after an install almost every time, seems like pulseaudio is still a little finicky at times.

Glad you noticed the XFCE power manager, I substituted that because the mate power manager (like the default shutdown menu in mate now) doesn't seem to want to support suspend or hibernate. XFCE version just works better. I also added Obsession in Mate because it works so well in Openbox, easy way to add keyboard shortcuts to do everything shutdown-related. It's addicting after you use them for a while, file-manager and terminal too, just so handy compared to hunting through menus.

HA! yep, at the local coffeeshop in town now, doing my thing on my 50 dollah pawnshop lappy, i'm......thrifty......lol ;D

Max_B · 2017-07-04 20:59:17

Hi greenjeans, just a question about your desktop: what's the program displaying date/time and keyboard shortcuts I see on the desktop?

pekman · 2017-07-05 03:24:50

Max_B wrote:

Hi greenjeans, just a question about your desktop: what's the program displaying date/time and keyboard shortcuts I see on the desktop?

Conky

# apt-get install conky

conkyrc in crunchbang forum | Conkyporn | Crunchbang Default Conky

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greenjeans · 2017-07-08 19:42:09

Max_B wrote:

Hi greenjeans, just a question about your desktop: what's the program displaying date/time and keyboard shortcuts I see on the desktop?

Sorry, I was out of pocket for a few days, I see Pekman got it covered though.

I like conky, but on mine I like a minimal conky, date/time and some shortcuts and that's about it.

Am about to squash some new isos and have added the ability for conky to display whatever my music program (Exaile) is currently playing and the artist's name, for anyone who wants to add that to their conkyrc, here's the basic code:

${if_running exaile}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}now playing :  ${execi 10 exaile --get-title}  –  ${execi 10 exaile --get-artist}$endif

Change font and size to suit. I have only gotten this to work with Exaile so far.

greenjeans · 2017-07-10 19:48:03

Uploading updated versions of Openbox and Mate maximal versions now, not a lot has changed but Devuan pushed a kernel update along with libc and some others, seemed important enough to run some new images, plus I added the conky code I posted above, and added more info to release notes, dotted some i's and crossed some t's here and there.

Max_B · 2017-07-13 18:16:05

thanks I installed it and currently am playing with conky.conf (and figthing with Lua syntax, but that's another matter). So far I've got only one problem, a font which make conky crash with a "floating point error" or the like, or maybe it's the font name (is a dash allowed in the name?)

greenjeans · 2017-07-14 20:57:12

Max_B wrote:

thanks I installed it and currently am playing with conky.conf (and figthing with Lua syntax, but that's another matter). So far I've got only one problem, a font which make conky crash with a "floating point error" or the like, or maybe it's the font name (is a dash allowed in the name?)

As far as I know it's okay, have never had conky crash due to a font, so it's news to me. Seems like since it allows spaces that dashes should be fine?

fungus · 2017-07-16 10:54:03

Ok, while it is slowly dripping down from surgeforce I like to ask if pulse-audio gets a pid 1

If yes between grub and login you can have this as a theme song play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2ZqlPNuqU

Deadly serious, I am!

greenjeans · 2017-07-20 20:26:33

fungus wrote:

Ok, while it is slowly dripping down from surgeforce I like to ask if pulse-audio gets a pid 1
If yes between grub and login you can have this as a theme song play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2ZqlPNuqU
Deadly serious, I am!

I love that song so much, I got to see him play it years ago before he passed away.

On another note, just uploaded some new mini iso's, both Openbox and Mate. Not a lot has changed but Devuan pushed some updates as I noted earlier in this thread, the maximal's are already done, just finally got around to doing the mini's too. Fixed some small things and updated release notes with more info.

fungus · 2017-07-27 09:16:45

I give it a 97/100 (openbox vuu-do)

Playing with ob, conky, cairo, and such, this thing you have created is a masterpiece of countless hours of work. I would have never done such things for myself.

On the installation side, a tiny minor detail. When it reached in selecting swap I thought I did select the swap partition, but maybe I didn't click hard enough, so the next option was swapfile or none. There was no "back" button. Which if you know what to do it only takes 2' to arrange in the future. So I did.

While I was updating and upgrading I lost the right-click OB menu. I don't know what I did, but after updating I moved up to ascii and possibly some replacement issue broke the camel's back.

This is the xml in .openbox

<openbox_menu xsi:schemaLocation="http://openbox.org/"><menu id="root-menu" label="obmenu-generator" execute="/usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/obmenu-generator -i"/></openbox_menu>

And /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/obmenu-generator -i is no longer working in ascii

Can't locate Linux/DesktopFiles.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Linux::DesktopFiles module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24 /usr/share/perl/5.24 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base) at /usr/bin/obmenu-generator line 34.

It is amazing how complete it is without being big. Smallest possible installation one can live with. But, for something so tiny to have so many bells and whistles it is astonishing. Thanks for some audio stuff I've never "found" before, like the format switcher.

This is a killer version of devuan. If you are heading towards a specific desktop that is not OEM, you would rather start with this and install it than to install a different desktop and have to strip and build.

Two thumbs up!

PS I had promised not to write here again and look away from devuan, but this man trully deserves an exception for all the good work that he has put in vuu-do You will be pleasantly surprised no matter what you expected.

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MiyoLinux · 2017-07-28 14:15:38

fungus wrote:

While I was updating and upgrading I lost the right-click OB menu. I don't know what I did, but after updating I moved up to ascii and possibly some replacement issue broke the camel's back.

fungus, you might see if the fix (in the link below) will help. I haven't tried it on Vuu-do, but I would imagine it should work.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3663#p3663

greenjeans · 2017-07-28 14:54:53

@Fungus: Thank you!!! It really is countless hours of work, if I was better at all this it would probably go quicker, I really need to document better too.

Miyolinux figured out the ascii menu bug, weird, still don't know what made it burp like that in the first place, but it's good to have the fix so thanks Miyo!

I seem to recall the last time I did the ascii upgrade test that a newer version of Perl was installed, maybe something about that caused it to stop working, and was reconfigured automatically when the package was re-installed?

Just rolled up 4 fresh iso's , fixed some small stuff and added to release notes, I was chainsawing and chopping wood all day, so it was a good day to let the machine squash files while I worked. Should be able to upload at some point this weekend, wife is having minor surgery today so probably won't be online long today.

I never learned to type, so it's two fingers-hunt-and-peck and slow going, but bit by bit I am trying to document the whole process and basically make the Vuu-do release notes kind of a how-to reference, noting locations of files, various shortcuts and hacks etc. to try and encourage users to start experimenting themselves, this is in keeping with the Devuan/Refracta/Miyolinux philosophy that I share, making it easy for folks to "make it your own"!

greenjeans · 2017-07-30 22:45:08

3 out of 4 new isos up today, still need to upload the newest Openbox maximal, will do that tomorrow. Just minor fixes, if you already have Vuu-do installed from the last iso's I put up in early July then you probably don't need anything from these new ones, just some small fixes and conky changes and fixed a locale issue I neglected on the last run.

Then hopefully I can get started on a 32 bit version for older machines, probably gonna stick with Openbox on i386 and not do a Mate version, but I might do a JWM version in 32, been playing with it and what comes out may not be the JWM you are used to.

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MiyoLinux · 2017-07-31 02:44:53

greenjeans wrote:

but I might do a JWM version in 32, been playing with it and what comes out may not be the JWM you are used to.

Oooo...I hope it happens! I'd really like to see the Greenjeans' hackism on this!

greenjeans · 2017-07-31 19:47:02

MiyoLinux wrote:

greenjeans wrote:
but I might do a JWM version in 32, been playing with it and what comes out may not be the JWM you are used to.
Oooo...I hope it happens! I'd really like to see the Greenjeans' hackism on this!

Well it would be a lot easier if I had a 32 bit JWM Miyolinux to hack on. lololol!

I read your short tutorial in another thread, purely brilliant, I would never have thought of it like that but installing lightdm first like that on a cli iso would indeed pretty much pull in everything you need for a working desktop other than the WM/DE itself...stroke of genius that, quick and dirty, I love it! That's probably how i'll start.

Have you checked out Trizen's other menu program? If you haven't, it's called simply "menutray", and that's what it does, dynamic menu that fetches .desktop files just like obmenu-generator, but this one is setup to always go in your tray instead of just a right-click, it acts more like a conventional menu in that respect, even supports tooltips (which is something i'd love to see in obmenu-generator).

So only downside is it always goes in tray, which is generally on right side of panel and usually includes clock, wicd icon, volume etc. Some folks might like it there though. You can switch the dock to the left side of the tray in jwmrc though, and put menutray there and you have artificially created a standard type setup similar to a Mate desktop, use pcmanfm or rox and have it run the desktop and the illusion is complete with desktop icons and all.

So that's kinda the concept i'm mulling over, making it 32 bit and ultra light and fast, but with all the convenience you'd expect from a more complex desktop environment and a very familiar set-up for folks switching older computers from windows xp to linux, but still with enough advanced useability and geekiness to make experienced users very happy too.

MiyoLinux · 2017-07-31 21:34:25

greenjeans wrote:

Well it would be a lot easier if I had a 32 bit JWM Miyolinux to hack on. lololol!
I read your short tutorial in another thread, purely brilliant, I would never have thought of it like that but installing lightdm first like that on a cli iso would indeed pretty much pull in everything you need for a working desktop other than the WM/DE itself...stroke of genius that, quick and dirty, I love it! That's probably how i'll start.
Have you checked out Trizen's other menu program? If you haven't, it's called simply "menutray", and that's what it does, dynamic menu that fetches .desktop files just like obmenu-generator, but this one is setup to always go in your tray instead of just a right-click, it acts more like a conventional menu in that respect, even supports tooltips (which is something i'd love to see in obmenu-generator).
So only downside is it always goes in tray, which is generally on right side of panel and usually includes clock, wicd icon, volume etc. Some folks might like it there though. You can switch the dock to the left side of the tray in jwmrc though, and put menutray there and you have artificially created a standard type setup similar to a Mate desktop, use pcmanfm or rox and have it run the desktop and the illusion is complete with desktop icons and all.
So that's kinda the concept i'm mulling over, making it 32 bit and ultra light and fast, but with all the convenience you'd expect from a more complex desktop environment and a very familiar set-up for folks switching older computers from windows xp to linux, but still with enough advanced useability and geekiness to make experienced users very happy too.

Sounds like it will be "greenjeans great"!!! Can't wait! Hope it happens!

Regarding what I highlighted in your quote above...even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. LOLOLOL!

Hey! That should be a distro's name somewhere...Blind Squirrel Linux.

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greenjeans · 2017-08-07 20:50:35

Vuu-do 32 bit is about to happen finally, been working on it the last couple days, easier going now that I have a good bit of template in the 64 bit versions and lists of things and such.

First is a minimal Openbox version, may do a maxi for it too, and a mini JWM too at some point. I should have the new 32 done this week and uploaded. Working version idles nice and low like 32 should, around 88 mb of ram with conky and parcellite running, with those off I had it down to 80 mb. Nice and quick too.

fungus · 2017-08-07 20:57:27

I have a 32b box with 256kB of Ram, I will give it a shot.

greenjeans · 2017-08-07 21:25:29

fungus wrote:

I have a 32b box with 256kB of Ram, I will give it a shot.

Sweet, Thanks!

I don't have a dedicated 32 machine anymore, last one finally bit the dust. I do have a circa 2005 laptop for testing, it's a single core 64, one of the earlier laptops to have them so the whole machine is basically 32 bit with a 64 bit CPU. Everything runs less ram on it for some reason, around 10 mb less or so, gonna try the vuu-do-32 alpha on it tonight, see how low it can get.

darry1966 · 2017-08-09 08:37:41

greenjeans wrote:

fungus wrote:
I have a 32b box with 256kB of Ram, I will give it a shot.
Sweet, Thanks!
I don't have a dedicated 32 machine anymore, last one finally bit the dust. I do have a circa 2005 laptop for testing, it's a single core 64, one of the earlier laptops to have them so the whole machine is basically 32 bit with a 64 bit CPU. Everything runs less ram on it for some reason, around 10 mb less or so, gonna try the vuu-do-32 alpha on it tonight, see how low it can get.

Will also test have 32 bit machines.

mckaygerhard · 2017-08-09 13:12:10

greenjeans wrote:

I read your short tutorial in another thread, purely brilliant, I would never have thought of it like that but installing lightdm first like that on a cli iso would indeed pretty much pull in everything you need for a working desktop other than the WM/DE itself...stroke of genius that, quick and dirty, I love it! That's probably how i'll start.

which tutorial? where i can found it?

i try vuudo and seems only are the myolinux with more programs.. please ilustrate me and tell me what comes better and different appart of openbox+"lot of programs" and a dark (again) theme?

greenjeans · 2017-08-09 20:53:25

mckaygerhard wrote:

greenjeans wrote:
I read your short tutorial in another thread, purely brilliant, I would never have thought of it like that but installing lightdm first like that on a cli iso would indeed pretty much pull in everything you need for a working desktop other than the WM/DE itself...stroke of genius that, quick and dirty, I love it! That's probably how i'll start.
which tutorial? where i can found it?

You mean there's a thread you haven't trolled yet?

mckaygerhard · 2017-08-09 21:06:44

trolled! said what you want i can search too! no problem if you dont want to said or help!

The officially official Devuan Forum!

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