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#51 2021-04-13 11:14:21

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Re: Minimalism Tips

andyprough wrote:
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People may not realize that despite his lack of curly locks, Miyo still has one of the prettiest wives in all of Linux land: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OYgZib8z6uY

Thanks andy!

...she married me when I still had hair...

Hahahaha! tongue


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#52 2021-04-13 12:00:42

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MiyoLinux wrote:

Beards are bloat !!!

grep "Beard" | cut -b 1000000

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#53 2021-04-13 12:23:02

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dice wrote:

Beards are bloat !!!

grep "Beard" | cut -b 1000000

wink

Hahaha!

#!/bin/sh
if [ beard is bloat ];
then
echo "NO"
else
echo "Gotta have hair somewhere"
fi

tongue


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#54 2021-04-13 13:08:21

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Do not use  bloated music players. Just use sox.

Do not use bash. It is bloated. Just use ash. Or in the worst case use tcsh.

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#55 2021-04-13 13:11:55

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zapper wrote:

Actually, moc seems to be the lightest way to play audio that I know of.

No. Lightest way to play audio is sox.


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#56 2021-04-13 13:19:34

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Ogis1975 wrote:

Do not use  bloated music players. Just use sox.

Do not use bash. It is bloated. Just use ash. Or in the worst case use tcsh.

what does your .ashrc look like?

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#57 2021-04-13 13:31:54

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dice wrote:

what does your .ashrc look like?

Here:
https://salsa.debian.org/debian/dash/-/ … ash.config

But you probably know that ash is superseded by Dash in Debian since DebianSarge....for interactive shell i use tcsh...


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#58 2021-04-13 13:35:04

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Do not use bloated window managers. Just use dwm smile


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#59 2021-04-13 13:44:25

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Ogis1975 wrote:
dice wrote:

what does your .ashrc look like?

Here:
https://salsa.debian.org/debian/dash/-/ … ash.config

But you probably know that ash is superseded by Dash in Debian since DebianSarge....for interactive shell i use tcsh...

I learnt a few pointers from kisslinux (now defunct i think) about how to go about using ash as main shell. I tried it awhile ago and it works ok.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comm … ain_shell/

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#60 2021-04-13 14:10:01

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Thank you for the link, dice.


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#61 2021-04-13 14:20:32

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Ogis1975 wrote:

ash is superseded by Dash in Debian since DebianSarge

You can still use ash in De??an:

# apt install busybox
# ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/ash
# echo '/bin/ash' >> /etc/shells

Alpine Linux uses busybox's ash as their default shell and it's very nice.

EDIT: actually I think that's the same as dash: https://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/ash/#busybox

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#62 2021-04-13 14:59:47

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I went on a retreat to the Linux minimalism monastery, thinking I would be sleeping in a simple but comfortable bedroom, only to discover a spartan cell, offering nothing but a bed of nails.

(Inspired by https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spartan.)

I mean, if you like pain, suit yourself. A reasonable notion of minimalism looks quite different than just about everything that has been posted in this thread, though, if you ask me.

For example, I'd like to have a well-thought-out GUI with an Apply button for configuring urxvt, especially the appearance part, because that would spare me the mental overhead and frustration involved in editing ~/.Xresources and then reloading the settings manually. In fact, I'd very much prefer such a GUI for configuring all of my desktop environment to having to deal with configuration files in three different standard locations using five different formats.

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#63 2021-04-13 15:24:09

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msi wrote:

the mental overhead and frustration involved in editing ~/.Xresources and then reloading the settings manually

Urxvt will read ~/.Xdefaults automatically (if no X resources are already set) with no need to reload with xrdb.

GUIs are horrible — why would I want to waste my life scrolling through endless reels of menu options when I can just edit a file directly in a fraction of the time?

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#64 2021-04-13 15:24:34

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msi wrote:

I went on a retreat to the Linux minimalism monastery, thinking I would be sleeping in a simple but comfortable bedroom, only to discover a spartan cell, offering nothing but a bed of nails.

(Inspired by https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spartan.)

I mean, if you like pain, suit yourself. A reasonable notion of minimalism looks quite different than just about everything that has been posted in this thread, though, if you ask me.

For example, I'd like to have a well-thought-out GUI with an Apply button for configuring urxvt, especially the appearance part, because that would spare me the mental overhead and frustration involved in editing ~/.Xresources and then reloading the settings manually. In fact, I'd very much prefer such a GUI for configuring all of my desktop environment to having to deal with configuration files in three different standard locations using five different formats.

You want a button for something that is set and forget, BLOAT.

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#65 2021-04-13 15:56:59

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#66 2021-04-13 17:52:13

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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Urxvt will read ~/.Xdefaults automatically (if no X resources are already set) with no need to reload with xrdb.

When does that file get read, though? I was talking about being able to change the settings for a running instance of urxvt on the fly in a hassle-free way.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

GUIs are horrible…

Quite on the contrary, well-designed GUIs (or beyond-“command line and plain text” interfaces in general) can be extremely empowering and, in fact, provide a way of (more) direct manipulation of data that, arguably, makes editing plain text files in an editor look like possibly not the best approach to quite a few problems. See, for example, Alan Kay's 1987 lecture Doing with Images Makes Symbols: Communicating with Computers or the talk on The Future of Programming that Bret Victor gave in 2013.

Throwing the “command line and plain text” paradigm at everything is indeed an anti-pattern and doesn't really have anything to do with minimalism per se.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

[W]hy would I want to waste my life scrolling through endless reels of menu options when I can just edit a file directly in a fraction of the time?

Why, on the other hand, would I want to waste my life scrolling (or pattern-matching) through endless plain text files using arguably obscure data formats – for which I will often have to write an ad-hoc parser to get meaningful results – when I could just point and click at a checkbox and get the desired result immediately?

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#67 2021-04-13 19:00:47

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At the risk of looking foolish...which I'm prone to do...  tongue

A lot of these minimalistified examples can be made into desktop files or aliases...which is what I do with almost all of mine. That cuts out the need to remember (or record) a ton of different  commands.

However...I still like floaty window managers and GUI stuff too. big_smile  tongue

Last edited by MiyoLinux (2021-04-13 19:02:56)


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#68 2021-04-13 19:28:21

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msi wrote:

When does that file get read, though? I was talking about being able to change the settings for a running instance of urxvt on the fly in a hassle-free way.

The file is read on startup. Urxvt doesn't do "on the fly" changes (AFAIK).

msi wrote:

Throwing the “command line and plain text” paradigm at everything is indeed an anti-pattern and doesn't really have anything to do with minimalism per se.

I was just stating my preference, that's all.


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#69 2021-04-14 02:00:07

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Hahahahaha! big_smile


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#70 2021-04-14 11:00:37

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I always to basic math on my portable desktop nokia c2-01 feature phone. Useful for calculating number of 8M blocks needed to backup anything from 1.1 to 7.51 GiB of eee pc drive.

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#71 2021-04-14 13:34:31

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Do not use bloated gui torrent clients. Just use aria2


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#72 2021-04-14 13:35:40

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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Ogis1975 wrote:

ash is superseded by Dash in Debian since DebianSarge

You can still use ash in De??an:

# apt install busybox
# ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/ash
# echo '/bin/ash' >> /etc/shells

Alpine Linux uses busybox's ash as their default shell and it's very nice.

EDIT: actually I think that's the same as dash: https://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/ash/#busybox

Thanks for the helpful advice  smile


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#73 2021-04-14 17:42:22

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Do not use bloated gui web browsers. If you can't do it with elinks or links2, you probably didn't need to do it anyway.

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#74 2021-04-14 19:01:33

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andyprough wrote:

elinks or links2

Bloat!

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … q=edbrowse

Oops, I did it again...


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#75 2021-04-14 19:54:27

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andyprough wrote:

If you can't do it with elinks or links2, you probably didn't need to do it anyway.

Look at which protocols can be activated at compile time!
Even FSP!
And that is file transfer antibloat!  \o/
Let's launch some FSP-Servers again!

––––––––––
Edit: I mean "in Elinks"...

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