Announcement of the OpenMATE desktop environment

stopAI · 2024-02-05 12:49:40

Ok. Your new link (i mean this link https://openmate-project.org), not working. Server not found.

zapper · 2024-02-06 01:01:17

Owned by microsoft yes, but if you think gitlab is better, no it is not. Its owned by google if I recall correctly.

Codeberg however is good.

zapper · 2024-02-06 01:05:29

I think changing from openmate might be wise... mate is a trademark isnt it?

Maybe the repo got taken down because of that? idk

swanson · 2024-02-06 03:38:52

The working link is here https://github.com/OpenMATE-Project.

I'm an old grumpy guy too, but I'm not complaining about OpenMate. Instead, I'd like to offer my humble help in so much as a tester or whatever. I'm not a coder or dev in any way, but I'd really like to try OpenMate and test it.

What is good about Codeberg and how does it work?

boughtonp · 2024-02-06 15:19:49

Microsoft does not respect its users - it treats them as a resource to be spied upon and exploited.

This is true for Microsoft Windows, and it is true for Microsoft GitHub - there have been numerous demonstrations of this for anyone paying attention.

Frankly, I struggle to comprehend how people who otherwise care enough to use Devuan can be ok with GitHub.

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Codeberg is one of several alternatives, and to see what's good about them one can simply start with looking at the homepage:

codeberg.org wrote:

Codeberg is a collaboration platform providing Git hosting and services for free and open source software, content and projects.
NON-PROFIT
Codeberg is maintained by the non-profit organization Codeberg e.V., based in Berlin, Germany. For us, supporting the commons comes first.
Its future is in the hands of its users. You can help too!
COMMUNITY
We are more than just Git hosting: Our community is comprised of like-minded developers, artists, academics, hobbyists and professionals.
We celebrate free culture, openness and creativity.
RESPECT
No tracking. No third-party cookies. No profiteering. Everything runs on servers that we control. Your data is not for sale.
Hosted in Europe, we welcome the world.

In addition, they have a migration feature to make it easier to migrate existing projects away from GitHub (or GitLab/others), though obviously for a new project one doesn't need to use that.

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aluma · 2024-02-06 18:12:20

There are very few developers of projects of this level.
And let's start discussing their choice of tools, completely running away.

As for the rest, yes, Codeberg opens even faster in the browser and ublock does not respond to it.

zapper · 2024-02-06 20:26:43

codeberg doesn't have much crap in it yes, but also, it looks like it might be one of the more user friendly ones that is libre.

That was why I suggested it.

zapper · 2024-02-06 20:28:43

Google also doesn't respect its user either. So github and gitlab are both effectively bad. Out of the two, I am shocked to say this, but "microsoft" is actually the less problematic one. Well, at least on a user agent sniffing level for sure.

Bonkers man...

mrnhmath · 2024-03-21 13:24:17

Repos are up.

mrnhmath · 2024-03-21 13:31:27

GitHub was chosen simply as a means to kickstart the project, I do not and will never endorse any corporate-driven initiatives. Please keep off-topic discussion to a minimum.

The new rebased sources are up. The first stage will consist in carefully renaming the original GNOME sources to match MATE ones, like nautilus -> caja. Any help or suggestion is appreciated.

https://github.com/OpenMATE-Project

UnixMan1230 · 2024-03-21 14:08:57

@mrnhmath may I suggest...codeberg?

zapper · 2024-03-21 22:34:55

@mrnhmath fair enough, but yeah, I agree with unixman1230

mrnhmath · 2024-09-27 16:59:13

Hi, apologies for no updates yet. I'm currently getting infrastructure and a git instance set up since Microsoft has shown to be quite obtrusive in personal dealings. Hope I can get something basic online by the end of the next month.

Here's a new screenshot showing OpenMATE with its Clearlooks/gtk+ 2 goodness. Let's reclaim what's ours.

Ron · 2024-09-27 21:22:13

Thanks for this. It looks good. 👍

s1mple · 2024-09-29 15:23:49

mrnhmath wrote:

Hi, apologies for no updates yet. I'm currently getting infrastructure and a git instance set up since Microsoft has shown to be quite obtrusive in personal dealings. Hope I can get something basic online by the end of the next month.

Good to hear, you're still working on it. If you want to talk Gtk+ 2 development, I created ##gtk2@libera.chat more than three years ago, but it appears that no one other than me does Gtk+ 2 development ;)

I'm also scratching a personal itch working on a Gtk+ 2 fork of a DE, but it's progressing so slow, that it's not worth talking publicly about it.

mrnhmath · 2025-02-20 10:36:36

Hello! This for sure has taken its time huh? Sorry for not doing updates since then, there has been some changes in my life and I wasn't able to reconcile work and my own projects until now.

I'm renaming OpenMATE to GNOME/2 as a better display of its intentions and hopefully will be sharing something soon. Please stay tuned.

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stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · 2025-02-20 12:47:53

sourcehut?

https://sourcehut.org/

https://sourcehut.org/foss-contributions/

blackhole · 2025-02-20 17:43:27

GNOME/2

Beware of gnome brand trademarks...

mrnhmath · 2025-02-20 18:10:12

Beware of gnome brand trademarks...

I don't live in the US and wouldn't care even if I did.

greenjeans · 2025-02-20 19:03:08

Beware of gnome brand trademarks...

This for sure. The ~~goblins~~ devs at gnome are not exactly known for their tolerance of others or sense of humor.

Personally I wouldn't want their name on anything I did.

brocashelm · 2025-02-21 00:14:15

I would be a lot more excited to see SpaceFM (particularly the GTK2 version) continue to be maintained by someone who believes in the software without it losing its features (e.g. customization) or having all sorts of modern dependencies slapped on it (the Thermitegod fork is a shining example of that, which I couldn't even build with Devuan Ceres), when it literally "just works" with or without much of the accursed UDisks2 or D-Bus infestations.

In contrast, Thunar, Caja, Nemo, Dolphin, Konqueror, PCManFM-Qt, Xfe, Gentoo, etc. are all slow, bloated, and/or featureless pieces of software. SpaceFM is also the only GUI file manager that allows you to have four panels (among the keybinds you could set), which makes it a lot more comfortable for a power user on the desktop. It truly sucks that IgnorantGuru stopped maintaining it, and the GitHub repository has over two hundred reported issues. Using patches to work around some of these issues for now.

With that said, good luck with "GNOME/2". Besides, how would that even look if you wanted to install it on your distro? Something like sudo apt install gnome-2? (Since the forward slash would designate a different version of the software you'd like to install, such as sudo apt install xfce4/beowulf signifying you want the Xfce 4.12 desktop metapackage instead of 4.16, 4.18, or 4.20.)

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greenjeans · 2025-02-21 02:31:53

No offense and the thing to remember is that everyone's tastes are different, but spacefm has been awful in every version i've tried, vanilla PcmanFM is better in every way.

"Power-users" are a very small minority of the computer-users world-wide. And if you are among that minority, then you have the capacity to build yourself whatever works for you. I suggest you do that.

For most folks, the whole "workspaces" thing is completely wasted. As for myself that's the first thing I delete. I don't need 2 panels, much less 4, that's the second thing I delete.

I've converted hundreds of former windoze users to Linux now, and every single one of them preferred a familiar simple interface, one panel at the bottom of the screen, no "workspaces", simple menu, easy and intuitive for people who don't live to code.

Gnome-2 and Mate were that bridge for a lot of people myself included.

blackhole · 2025-02-21 08:47:21

@mrnhmath, you might care if they set their lawyers on you - and you're the low hanging fruit they will go after. Making a desktop called gnome/2 isn't a problem - but once you try distributing it, your problems will begin. You may be outside of the US but your methods of distribution may not be.

stopAI · 2025-02-21 12:47:01

Making a desktop called gnome/2 isn't a problem - but once you try distributing it, your problems will begin. You may be outside of the US but your methods of distribution may not be.

I agree. It's better to come up with a name for your project and not have to deal with those COC lovers from Gnome...

GNUser · 2025-02-21 18:21:56

I use the MATE desktop environment with Devuan and like mrnhmath's ideas for a fork.

I agree with others that GNOME/2 is not a great name. A completely new name would a) establish a clear identity for the fork, b) prevent interpersonal conflicts with the people at Red Hat/GNOME, and c) make it easy to search for and talk about the fork.

Yes to Codeberg. GitHub and GitLab are both creepy given their ownership.

Once this fork has a reasonable name and a web page that can be reached reliably, I'd love to give it a try.

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