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#26 2022-11-02 15:51:36

aluma
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Re: Google in trouble again

Ogis1975
To the list of ignored, along the route of the "Russian warship".

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#27 2022-11-02 17:32:13

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Re: Google in trouble again

aluma wrote:

Ogis1975
To the list of ignored, along the route of the "Russian warship".

I said, go away Ukrainian Neo-nazi bastard!


What economists call over-production is but a production that is above the purchasing power of the worker, who is reduced to poverty by capital and state.
            ----+- Peter Kropotkin -+----

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#28 2022-11-02 17:57:46

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Re: Google in trouble again

Pity the thread had to turn political.

Though I have say I'm with headstick 100% when it comes to the Murdoch global corporate media.

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#29 2022-11-02 21:15:35

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Re: Google in trouble again

It's more psychology than politics, scandal is the best way to attract attention.
And the rest ... under Truman, the "Marxists", who tried to terrorize the United States, were loaded onto a steamer and sent to Russia, so beloved by them. But for some reason, from the very beginning, they fled from there to the West.
The dirtiest place in Europe in the 70s was the Donetsk region of Ukraine, there was no smell of the "capitalist" spirit of production there.

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#30 2022-11-03 00:17:35

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Re: Google in trouble again

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I have to say that this article makes me like Google more:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/free- … buries-gop

@OP: I find your links to far-right propaganda websites disturbing.

“Democracy is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike least.”   Mark Twain

Capitalism is somewhat similar to communism - different approach but the same result: mass-elite system.

Sorry smile

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#31 2022-11-03 12:49:50

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Re: Google in trouble again

Devarch wrote:

Capitalism is somewhat similar to communism - different approach but the same result: mass-elite system.

In capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favourable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. But this democracy is always hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation, and consequently always remains, in effect, a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich. Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave-owners. Owing to the conditions of capitalist exploitation, the modern wage slaves are so crushed by want and poverty that “they cannot be bothered with democracy”, “cannot be bothered with politics”; in the ordinary, peaceful course of events, the majority of the population is debarred from participation in public and political life.


Democracy and freedom goes only so far; and as soon as the majority people decide that majority rule should apply – not only in the parliament, but also in the workplace, the factories and offices, in the army, in the schools and universities – then suddenly the capitalist state machine will without fail raise its head and say “Enough is enough!” and restore by whatever it takes the rule of the minority of wealthy capitalists over the majority of workers. Having “won the battle of democracy”, the workers must now make a revolution. The dictatorship of the working class majority replaces the dictatorship of the minority of big capitalists. The unelected police-military hierarchy of violence is dismantled to make way for genuine, unqualified, proletarian democracy.

Contrariwise, socialism, in which majority rule applies everywhere, can only be a dictatorship of the proletariat which suppresses the right of the minority of capitalists to exploit workers. The dictatorship of the proletariat simply means the most thoroughgoing democracy, where money and privilege are no longer able to lay down the law to the working class majority, and free associations of people work out their lives in collaboration.


What economists call over-production is but a production that is above the purchasing power of the worker, who is reduced to poverty by capital and state.
            ----+- Peter Kropotkin -+----

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#32 2022-11-04 00:34:18

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Re: Google in trouble again

I agree with first part but not with the second.

All *isms are wrong.

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#33 2022-11-05 18:49:53

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Re: Google in trouble again

Since the topic of the thread is Google, I thought I'd link to a video I just watched:

Do You Want to Tether Your Life to Google? How to Resist
https://rumble.com/v1mrt49-do-you-want- … esist.html


Even though the video is fairly short, his coverage of the topic is quite thorough.


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#34 2022-11-06 15:23:56

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Re: Google in trouble again

pcalvert wrote:

Since the topic of the thread is Google, I thought I'd link to a video I just watched

Thank you.


What economists call over-production is but a production that is above the purchasing power of the worker, who is reduced to poverty by capital and state.
            ----+- Peter Kropotkin -+----

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#35 2022-11-09 20:24:35

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Re: Google in trouble again

LU344928 wrote:

Texas AG Sues Google

Incidentally, some may not know about this new search engine. It seems to me better than Ducky, YMMV, and when it comes to delivering uncensored news and reports it may even compete with Yandex, though I realise the latter's popularity may have waned somewhat due to current events.

THE FREESPOKE STORY

We exist because the search results you’re looking for shouldn’t be buried on page 6, if they’re allowed to appear at all.

Google, Amazon, and Facebook have too much power over the information we see. We can hardly search, buy a product, or send a message without their influence. Unfortunately, we’re seeing the world as they want us to see it, not the way it actually is.

freespoke.com

So another words, water is wet, drinking bleach will at best hospitalize you or at worst kill you...

Getting a third degree burn will make most people scream or be in pain for many hours...

Seriously, is anyone surprised that Google keeps having these situations?!?

Trusting Google to not be corrupt is like thinking, if you throw yourself into an active volcano you won't die...

Just DON'T!


Not much else to say there...  btw, all these mainstream media websites and news corporations are evil, whether they are ultra right wing, or right wing, or pseudo left wing...

So... yeah, at this point, I rarely get surprised by their "BS" anymore.

Its a pity that we can't have javascript, java and ideas like them erased from the world and from people's minds and replaced by something that actually is  not completely bloated...

(Rust doesn't count!)

xD


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#36 2022-11-16 22:19:11

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Re: Google in trouble again

zapper wrote:

all these mainstream media websites and news corporations are evil,
xD

100%

Aslo WASM is pure evil, not only "1000" scripts. I had to disable it in all browsers.

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#37 2022-11-17 21:50:13

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Re: Google in trouble again

I just realized something btw, I missed some very interesting insane stuff in this thread... I thought I was going to want to get popcorn, rather than miss another thread going off the rails...

Seems it hasn't done so...

This is for the better though, sometimes some "trolls" go alot further than anyone should ever go... into crazy town!

Btw, unrelated but... duckduckgo, cannot be worse than Google... that is completely 100% impossible... at this time.

Duckduckgo, still has a long way to go... to get there. Maybe someday?

I don't know the specifics, etc... but what kind of tracking do they do?

Also, is it as hard to evade as Google and do they force javascript down anyone who visits their website?

If its not yes to all of these, then no its not worse as of now.

As for WASM, I will look this up, but is that... to do with flash?

If so, that is tiny in danger level regarding escaping compared to javascript... although it still is probably way more malware prone then javascript as an obvious...

wink

adobe flash was proprietary anyhow and the web wasn't flooded enough to where it couldn't be dealt with if I had to guess...


Black Lives Matter!  I am white, but I prefer equality over hatred.
Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon!

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#38 2022-11-18 06:12:23

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Re: Google in trouble again

zapper wrote:

is it as hard to evade as Google and do they force javascript down anyone who visits their website?

To stop Google's Analytics tracking you across the web simply install the official GA opt-out add-on for your browser:

https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout?hl=en


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#39 2022-11-18 12:07:39

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Re: Google in trouble again

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To stop Google's Analytics tracking you across the web simply install the official GA opt-out add-on for your browser

This add-on is created by the same google. So I don't think this is the right solution.


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#40 2022-11-18 17:24:39

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Re: Google in trouble again

Google created it because of the legal requirements imposed by Europe's GDPR legislation. It only affects the Analytics engine itself but that's all most sites use these days.

I know it works because when it's installed I stop seeing ads about stuff I've been talking about in the front room and instead start seeing ads about women's underwear. Result!


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#41 2022-11-18 21:05:34

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Re: Google in trouble again

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To stop Google's Analytics tracking you across the web simply install the official GA opt-out add-on for your browser:

https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout?hl=en


You can also block Google Analytics using your hosts file or, like I do, using dnsmasq.

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#42 2022-11-19 19:59:34

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Re: Google in trouble again

pcalvert wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To stop Google's Analytics tracking you across the web simply install the official GA opt-out add-on for your browser:

https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout?hl=en


You can also block Google Analytics using your hosts file or, like I do, using dnsmasq.

Why not dnscrypt-proxy?

Blocklists are not enough. Ublock or smth else is a must.

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#43 2022-11-20 03:11:42

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Re: Google in trouble again

Devarch wrote:

Why not dnscrypt-proxy?

I haven't gotten around to trying that yet.


Devarch wrote:

Blocklists are not enough. Ublock or smth else is a must.


I agree. I like NoScript and uBlock Origin. I usually use one or the other, but I've seen some people recommend using both together (with NoScript set to "Allow Scripts Globally"), a combination I have not tried.


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#44 2022-11-21 03:07:03

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Re: Google in trouble again

pcalvert wrote:

I haven't gotten around to trying that yet.

Devarch wrote:

Blocklists are not enough. Ublock or smth else is a must.


I agree. I like NoScript and uBlock Origin. I usually use one or the other, but I've seen some people recommend using both together (with NoScript set to "Allow Scripts Globally"), a combination I have not tried.

This is only a good idea, if you have a specific option on:

Apply these restrictions to whitelisted sites too, at least for the mostly dead legacy one.

If there is a similar option on the webextensions addon, I assume this to be true there as well.

Noscript aka...

But yeah, that might not be the only one. wink


Black Lives Matter!  I am white, but I prefer equality over hatred.
Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon!

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#45 2022-11-21 13:54:13

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Re: Google in trouble again

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Google created it because of the legal requirements imposed by Europe's GDPR legislation. It only affects the Analytics engine itself but that's all most sites use these days.

I know it works because when it's installed I stop seeing ads about stuff I've been talking about in the front room and instead start seeing ads about women's underwear. Result!

Maybe, NoScript is solution?


What economists call over-production is but a production that is above the purchasing power of the worker, who is reduced to poverty by capital and state.
            ----+- Peter Kropotkin -+----

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#46 2022-11-21 14:32:19

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Re: Google in trouble again

Not really. I can't be bothered toggling scripting to make websites work. The GA opt-out add-on just stops advert tracking, which constitutes the vast majority of all tracking. I don't really care about the rest. There's certainly nothing important or sensitive on this machine, I just use it for games and trolling.

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#47 2022-11-25 04:49:35

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Re: Google in trouble again

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Not really. I can't be bothered toggling scripting to make websites work. The GA opt-out add-on just stops advert tracking, which constitutes the vast majority of all tracking. I don't really care about the rest. There's certainly nothing important or sensitive on this machine, I just use it for games and trolling.

It does also block malware which as you probably know,  can  be used to cause damage in less direct ways.

Aka, not a threat to the hardware and likely not the system software if its linux... usually anyhow, but in other, let's say, sneakier more obnoxious ways.

Btw,  even if you think there is nothing sensitive on that machine, the nothing to hide argument dies the moment someone tries to plant and/or use fake evidence against you if people in higher places dislike you, want to get rid of you, etc...

This all  being said,  if you use emulators, be careful.

The trolling, however, I am fully on board with it.

I legit actually, after seeing chain letters on youtube enough decided to make some parody chain letters and someone gave me my favorite accolade:

The person said that they had seen some really stupid chain letters but mine topped the list...

This was before Google acquired youtube thanks to the expletive FBI/DCMA copyright expletives.

Point being, I miss the days of chain letters being common on youtube and when I could troll the shit out of them, by making weird expletive ones. big_smile

Trust me, I got very unhinged in my nonsense back then LOL!


Black Lives Matter!  I am white, but I prefer equality over hatred.
Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon!

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#48 2022-11-25 05:44:24

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Re: Google in trouble again

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I can't be bothered toggling scripting to make websites work.

I object on principle to websites running arbitrary non-free code on my machine. Whether the JS blob is tracking, annoying, unnecessary bloat or downright malicious is largely irrelevant - It's my box, I say what runs on it.

So yeah, noscript forever. I'll wear the hair-shirt of clicking the occasional temporary exception, and frankly most sites that don't work without non-trivial javascript are sites I want nothing to do with anyway.

When I must visit such hellholes, noscript is also handy (along with ublock's most excellent "element picker") for removing obnoxious "web 2.0" anti-features, such as screwey scrolling, right-click overrides and "sign in / use the app" poups/popovers/overlays.

... Also advertising and tracking of course. Fsck ads, and fsck tracking. Double fsck "sign in or use the app (so we can track you more)" horsehockey.
I didn't start the ad/ad-blocking arms race but so long as ads are obnoxious and tracking is invasive, I'll damn well continue it.

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#49 2022-11-25 17:22:08

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Re: Google in trouble again

Can you set ublock to *pretend* to allow ads, but not actually show them on your screen? It's an option I would like to have if I need to use a site that blocks access to people who are using ad blockers. The idea is that ads get downloaded but not shown, so the advertisers can't tell they are paying for nothing.

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