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#1 2020-12-21 12:23:06

aghasee
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[SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Hello all,

Devuan Beowulf on encrypted LVM. Gome DE (gdm3).
After boot and/or logon nautilus needs some five minutes to start. Once started it works fine.
Tried installing Thunar which doesn't present this problem.
Problem persists on different hardware.

It's merely an annoyance, but I'd like to have it solved.
Anyone an idea where to start looking?

TIA,

Last edited by aghasee (2020-12-28 09:56:44)


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#2 2020-12-21 12:35:10

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

aghasee wrote:

Anyone an idea where to start looking?

Have you tried to start Nautilus from a terminal? May be some message there.

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#3 2020-12-21 13:21:24

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

PedroReina wrote:
aghasee wrote:

Anyone an idea where to start looking?

Have you tried to start Nautilus from a terminal? May be some message there.

Terminal sits there and is processing. No messages.
During the five min. delay there are two nautilus instances showing in system monitor, one with memory allocated and one which looks dead.


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#4 2020-12-21 13:24:22

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Try this:

rm ~/.xsession-errors
nautilus

Then check ~/.xsession-errors after Nautilus launches.

EDIT: https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … ing-buster

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2020-12-21 13:25:08)


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#5 2020-12-21 13:38:43

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Try this:

rm ~/.xsession-errors
nautilus

Then check ~/.xsession-errors after Nautilus launches.

EDIT: https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … ing-buster

what is ~/.cache/tracker/ doing ?


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#6 2020-12-21 13:41:20

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Erm, not sure. Tracking the cache, perhaps? tongue

I asked startpage.com and it said https://www.noulakaz.net/2019/04/09/dis … t-need-it/


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#7 2020-12-21 13:45:46

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Erm, not sure. Tracking the cache, perhaps? tongue

I asked startpage.com and it said https://www.noulakaz.net/2019/04/09/dis … t-need-it/

and therein is the answer. This is why i dislike where gnome is heading.


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#8 2020-12-21 14:24:21

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Try this:

rm ~/.xsession-errors
nautilus

Then check ~/.xsession-errors after Nautilus launches.

EDIT: https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … ing-buster

~/.xsession-errors

doesn't even show up anymore after replicating the problem.
I changed

~/.cache/tracker/

to

~/.cache/tracker.old

rebooted and the problem seems to be gone for now.

Maybe killing the tracker process as in https://www.noulakaz.net/2019/04/09/dis … t-need-it/ isn't a bad idea.


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#9 2020-12-21 18:52:45

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

dice wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Erm, not sure. Tracking the cache, perhaps? tongue

I asked startpage.com and it said https://www.noulakaz.net/2019/04/09/dis … t-need-it/

and therein is the answer. This is why i dislike where gnome is heading.

Startpage has become somewhat suspicious, but gnome is also, so... meh... wink

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/commen … g_company/

Gnome might not be owned by an ad company,  but they still require system dumb and other crap to use their bloated desktop.  hmm


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#10 2020-12-21 19:53:51

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

aghasee wrote:

Maybe killing the tracker process as in https://www.noulakaz.net/2019/04/09/dis … t-need-it/ isn't a bad idea.

No need to mess around with gsettings, the indexing can be disabled from the options panel.

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dice wrote:

This is why i dislike where gnome is heading

Almost all the desktop environments have some sort of indexing feature, it's actually quite useful for some users.

zapper wrote:

Startpage has become somewhat suspicious

Yes, you've mentioned that before but I didn't reply so as not to derail the thread. Perhaps you should open a new thread about search engines and their relevant merits, I would be interested to hear others' opinions.

zapper wrote:

Gnome might not be owned by an ad company,  but they still require system dumb

No, it doesn't:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … ge&q=gnome

https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/ed … 6_64/gnome

https://github.com/openbsd/ports/tree/m … me/desktop

Neither Alpine Linux nor OpenBSD could run systemd even if they wanted to but they both have packages for the GNOME desktop.


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#11 2020-12-22 00:08:02

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
dice wrote:

This is why i dislike where gnome is heading

Almost all the desktop environments have some sort of indexing feature, it's actually quite useful for some users.

yes, i suppose it is a useful feature for some, i have read it that tracker, tracker miner etc have been known to use a lot of memory and cpu load in doing what they do. I dont use desktop environments anymore so im somewhat bias. Last year a security risk via gnome extensions was found called evilgnome, unrelated to tracker but i find these web extensions to be a security risk, im assuming tracker search is a gnome web extension?

https://www.securityweek.com/evilgnome- … inux-users

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/ … er-search/

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#12 2020-12-22 03:09:35

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
aghasee wrote:

Maybe killing the tracker process as in https://www.noulakaz.net/2019/04/09/dis … t-need-it/ isn't a bad idea.

No need to mess around with gsettings, the indexing can be disabled from the options panel.

If you consider this problem to be fixed then please prepend [SOLVED] to the thread title (in the first post) to help others who encounter this issue. Thanks.

dice wrote:

This is why i dislike where gnome is heading

Almost all the desktop environments have some sort of indexing feature, it's actually quite useful for some users.

zapper wrote:

Startpage has become somewhat suspicious

Yes, you've mentioned that before but I didn't reply so as not to derail the thread. Perhaps you should open a new thread about search engines and their relevant merits, I would be interested to hear others' opinions.

zapper wrote:

Gnome might not be owned by an ad company,  but they still require system dumb

No, it doesn't:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … ge&q=gnome

https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/ed … 6_64/gnome

https://github.com/openbsd/ports/tree/m … me/desktop

Neither Alpine Linux nor OpenBSD could run systemd even if they wanted to but they both have packages for the GNOME desktop.

Ah my bad... but it still requires a number of freedesktop.org type software... more than any other desktop environment.  That being said, my reason for avoiding it is because its extremely bloated. Lumina Desktop in my opinion is the only good desktop environment.  Though its default wallpaper was meh... I think they improved it on it since, but not sure.

i3-wm user here heh...

I like minimalism usually, especially for system configuration type software.  Within what I consider reason...

My bad on the startpage reference, was only mentioning it because someone spoke of it in this thread. Aka, they brought up startpage I mean... wink

On topic though, pcmanfm is my current favorite file manager. smile

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#13 2020-12-22 11:16:37

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Re: [SOLVED] File manager delay after boot/login

dice wrote:

im assuming tracker search is a gnome web extension?

There is a "tracker search" extension (to which you have linked) but the tracker itself is part of the official GNOME desktop: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker


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