What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

boycottsystemd · 2020-07-15 08:51:27

Debian Buster

Altoid · 2020-07-15 16:28:37

golinux wrote:

There is another distro?

No ...
Not really. 8^7

Don't know all I can do with just one, what would I want two for?

A.

berni51 · 2020-07-16 11:01:41

We (7 people) live in a shared house with several computers:

4 x Devuan (all Beowulf meanwhile)
1 x Debian Buster (only to have one systemd machine for comparision)
2 x OpenBSD 6.7
5 x NetBSD 9.0

After a litle bit trouble with Beowulf on a NUC now all Devuan machines are running rock solid. But, to be seriously, even Debian Buster runs very good. Looks like the Debian people do a good job regarding systemd.
No word about the BSD machines: they simply run perfect.

Regards
Berni

darry1966 · 2020-07-17 08:05:47

Puppy - various

GNUser · 2020-07-17 13:53:18

3 x Tiny Core Linux (my daily driver laptop plus my two wireless routers)
2 x Devuan ASCII (wife's laptops)
1 x Arch Linux ("media player" laptop connected to television--has not been updated since 2015)

Last edited by GNUser (2020-07-17 13:53:52)

HevyDevy · 2020-07-17 14:14:26

GNUser wrote:

1 x Arch Linux ("media player" laptop connected to television--has not been updated since 2015)

Thats awesome, can you find out what the update would be like, size etc?

Ive got a usb somewhere with pacbang on it, think that was around 2015 maybe, should try and find it and see if it will update lol.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2020-07-17 21:15:12

GNUser wrote:

1 x Arch Linux ("media player" laptop connected to television--has not been updated since 2015)

Lol.

HevyDevy wrote:

Ive got a usb somewhere with pacbang on it, think that was around 2015 maybe, should try and find it and see if it will update

You'll have to update it in stages and go through all of the old news articles for the user interventions. The archives can be used to update to specific dates.

Debuser2018 · 2020-07-17 22:12:32

I've a Beowulf PC running Gnome 3 booting with Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10. Using rEFIt bootloader. Mostly using Devuan (with openRC-0.42-1) now.
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I would like to test FreeBSD 12 on baremetal; it's a long long time since I had used it. Doubtful about installing FreeBSD on a hard drive already containing Linux & Windows OS's. AFAIK, BSD's demand full hard drives. May not be true, if the FreeBSD installer is updated.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2020-07-17 22:26:13

Debuser2018 wrote:

I would like to test FreeBSD 12 on baremetal; it's a long long time since I had used it. Doubtful about installing FreeBSD on a hard drive already containing Linux & Windows OS's. AFAIK, BSD's demand full hard drives. May not be true, if the FreeBSD installer is updated.

I don't know about FreeBSD but for OpenBSD you just need to create a partition of type a6 (in fdisk) or a600 (in gdisk) and the installer recognises it and offers to just use that and leave the other partitions alone.

Obligatory XKCD link: https://xkcd.com/349/

multios · 2020-07-18 00:51:12

Debuser2018 wrote:

I've a Beowulf PC running Gnome 3 booting with Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10. Using rEFIt bootloader. Mostly using Devuan (with openRC-0.42-1) now.
--
I would like to test FreeBSD 12 on baremetal; it's a long long time since I had used it. Doubtful about installing FreeBSD on a hard drive already containing Linux & Windows OS's. AFAIK, BSD's demand full hard drives. May not be true, if the FreeBSD installer is updated.

Debuser2018, no problem running FreeBSD 12 alongside Linux & Windows
Supports either mbr or uefi/gpt. I have it installed and use it fairly often on uefi/gpt

Debuser2018 · 2020-07-18 07:21:11

multios wrote:

Debuser2018 wrote:
I've a Beowulf PC running Gnome 3 booting with Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10. Using rEFIt bootloader. Mostly using Devuan (with openRC-0.42-1) now.
--
I would like to test FreeBSD 12 on baremetal; it's a long long time since I had used it. Doubtful about installing FreeBSD on a hard drive already containing Linux & Windows OS's. AFAIK, BSD's demand full hard drives. May not be true, if the FreeBSD installer is updated.
Debuser2018, no problem running FreeBSD 12 alongside Linux & Windows
Supports either mbr or uefi/gpt. I have it installed and use it fairly often on uefi/gpt

Great. I've a UEFI setup. How did you install FreeBSD? Whether extracted the base OS to a partition already created and formatted OR used the FreeBSD installer? With FreeBSD installer, choosing manual partitioning I remember it creates more slices (partitions) apart from the root partition, thus probably destroying pre-existing Linux/Windows partitions. The other option isto choose shell mode, where you can manually create partitions. I'm not sure about shell mode and whether bsdinstall (installer) will complete the installation. It will be great, if you can guide.

Sich · 2020-07-18 11:54:42

I use only debian (stable on production server and testing at home).
I want to try more on devuan, but I'm not really sure to be able to use Devuan in production...
It's more the long term support / stability problem...

I mostly use my server to host mails / web then Devuan can do the job without problem.

James1138 · 2020-07-18 18:50:02

I tried others - WattOS, Lubuntu, Xubuntu... I am back to just Devuan (Miyo).

john2009w · 2020-07-19 00:04:11

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I've switched to Alpine Linux for my daily driver — the musl libc base ensures a fundamental incompatibility with systemd that I'm sure will be appreciated by the community here

omg!! You're my favorite guy from now on! I wanted to run sway inside Alpine a few months ago. My target was almost the same, to avoid bloat and to see if I can fit it inside a below 512 MB flash drive (very old drive, hence the size). But forgot to try it because I got busy on other projects.

Do you have a guide/blog post describing how you did all these? I would love to read something like that.

btw... I have

- Arch
- Parabola
- Trisquel
- Sparky Linux
- Void Linux (love it!! my daily driver!)
- Artix
- Also use Slax, Puppy, Tiny Core, Slitaz on some of my flash drives when I need to rescue a machine

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darry1966 · 2020-07-19 02:28:46

Debiandog - various

multios · 2020-07-19 02:58:07

Debuser2018 wrote:

multios wrote:
Debuser2018 wrote:
I've a Beowulf PC running Gnome 3 booting with Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10. Using rEFIt bootloader. Mostly using Devuan (with openRC-0.42-1) now.
--
I would like to test FreeBSD 12 on baremetal; it's a long long time since I had used it. Doubtful about installing FreeBSD on a hard drive already containing Linux & Windows OS's. AFAIK, BSD's demand full hard drives. May not be true, if the FreeBSD installer is updated.
Debuser2018, no problem running FreeBSD 12 alongside Linux & Windows
Supports either mbr or uefi/gpt. I have it installed and use it fairly often on uefi/gpt
Great. I've a UEFI setup. How did you install FreeBSD? Whether extracted the base OS to a partition already created and formatted OR used the FreeBSD installer? With FreeBSD installer, choosing manual partitioning I remember it creates more slices (partitions) apart from the root partition, thus probably destroying pre-existing Linux/Windows partitions. The other option isto choose shell mode, where you can manually create partitions. I'm not sure about shell mode and whether bsdinstall (installer) will complete the installation. It will be great, if you can guide.

Just use the FreeBSD installer. You can manually edit the partitions. IIRC, I just deleted a partition, then went back and created the freebsd partition with that new free space. Create the partition and install. On this particular laptop, I have everything under root partition. Normally always create various partitions under the freebsd slice. Basically was just seeing how freebsd installed and worked on this lenovo ideapad. I have to use a wireless dongle and either wireless mouse or usb mouse, but otherwise the system runs fine

Head_on_a_Stick · 2020-07-19 09:59:55

john2009w wrote:

Do you have a guide/blog post describing how you did all these?

Sure: https://forum.archlabslinux.com/t/alpin … al/1705/12

I use this line at the end of ~/.profile to launch sway automatically after login to TTY1:

[ "$(tty)" = /dev/tty1 ] && exec sway

The sway developer (Drew DeVault) is also an Alpine Linux developer so it is *very* well supported.

I prefer to run a rootless desktop so I also install the elogind package and disable the setuid bit on the sway binary:

# chmod u-s /usr/bin/sway

Then enable elogind:

# rc-update add elogind

aitor · 2020-08-23 13:36:05

Besides Devuan and derivatives:

- Hyperbola
- Void Linux

Last edited by aitor (2020-08-23 13:37:29)

brocashelm · 2020-08-23 17:49:07

I'd rather stick to one distro at a time, although I do have VMs for Artix GNU/Linux, Slackware, Void GNU/Linux, and a few other "hipster" distros to mess around with. In case the Linux kernel gets pozzed (doubtful, but anything goes in "cancel culture"), I'm going to add an OpenBSD install.

Never going back to Ubuntu or any other distro based on it, and Devuan is the KO to Debian by removing Systemd altogether.

Vernon · 2020-08-23 21:53:47

GNUser wrote:

3 x Tiny Core Linux (my daily driver laptop plus my two wireless routers)

Interesting. What is the CPU and RAM on your daily driver laptop? Do you use Tiny Core Linux on your laptop because the resources are low?

With regard to your wireless routers, I thought Tiny Core Linux only ran on X86 based systems. Are your routers X86 based?

Thanks.

Vernon · 2020-08-23 22:02:23

brocashelm wrote:

I'm going to add an OpenBSD install.

Be aware that BSD tools are different than GNU. For example, BSD grep is at least 10 times slower than GNU grep.

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/fre … 19310.html

Head_on_a_Stick · 2020-08-24 09:14:16

Vernon wrote:

Be aware that BSD tools are different than GNU. For example, BSD grep is at least 10 times slower than GNU grep.

Be aware that OpenBSD has GNU's grep version in their ports tree: https://openports.se/sysutils/ggrep

OpenBSD avoids the GNU tools because of licensing incompatibilities but it's also worth noting that GNU's software tends to be rather bloated in respect of the codebase, which can expose potential vulnerabilities.

EDIT: for a rough example of this compare OpenBSD's grep.c (487 sloc) with GNU's grep.c (2177 sloc).

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HevyDevy · 2020-08-24 12:17:21

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Vernon wrote:
Be aware that BSD tools are different than GNU. For example, BSD grep is at least 10 times slower than GNU grep.
Be aware that OpenBSD has GNU's grep version in their ports tree: https://openports.se/sysutils/ggrep
OpenBSD avoids the GNU tools because of licensing incompatibilities but it's also worth noting that GNU's software tends to be rather bloated in respect of the codebase, which can expose potential vulnerabilities.
EDIT: for a rough example of this compare OpenBSD's grep.c (487 sloc) with GNU's grep.c (2177 sloc).

What vulnerabilities could be in gnu grep?

Regardless of sloc on either grep versions, the link vernon posted made good points about the efficiency of gnu grep over bsd grep.

And i am an Openbsd user, but in all reality the speed of grep is not going to stop me using it.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2020-08-24 13:29:16

HevyDevy wrote:

What vulnerabilities could be in gnu grep?

Probably none, there have only been two known vulnerabilities reported for it: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/2380 … ndor_id=72

But I was speaking in general terms — it is reasonable to assume that all code contains a number of bugs per thousand sloc so smaller code tends to be better (which is one of the reasons why I prefer OpenRC to systemd).

HevyDevy · 2020-08-24 13:42:10

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

HevyDevy wrote:
What vulnerabilities could be in gnu grep?
Probably none, there have only been two known vulnerabilities reported for it: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/2380 … ndor_id=72
But I was speaking in general terms — it is reasonable to assume that all code contains a number of bugs per thousand sloc so smaller code tends to be better (which is one of the reasons why I prefer OpenRC to systemd).

Also sometimes when people try to make programs better/efficient, more abstraction layers get added as is the case with intels issues with spectre/meltdown and the slew of vulnerabilities in a similar vein that have been added in the last few years. Not trying to compare gnu grep with intel but a worst case scenario. Systemd fits in right here with too many abstraction layers that could oneday come back to bite in regards to scope creep and the like.

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