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#2276 Re: Other Issues » How long are releases supported? » 2018-11-28 23:04:24
Yes, we are tracking Debian.
#2277 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How do I install Nextcloud-client? » 2018-11-27 21:22:10
It is not recommended to use PPAs or third party repos on Devuan or Debian for that matter. Do so at your own risk.
#2278 Re: News & Announcements » We're now 800 strong here! » 2018-11-27 02:19:52
Welcome! Both Roger Leigh and Eric Raymond have been hanging around lately. And Bruce Perens posts occasionally on the DNG mail list. That's a vote of confidence for what we're doing.
#2279 Re: Devuan » First impressions in Devuan » 2018-11-26 16:50:24
Well . . . a "tyro" might not know much of the backstory. 
Any objections to splitting off the Murdock stuff to a separate thread? Not sure exactly where to put it though. Suggestions? Or maybe those posts should be nuked? Thoughts?
#2280 Re: Devuan » First impressions in Devuan » 2018-11-24 18:00:10
That is some fantasy you've conjured up!!
Is it? His death and the circumstances around it are very suspect.
There are some very dark and deep rabbit holes out there. Been down too many to completely disagree with cynicfm.
Be willing to entertain a certain thought and some research in this day and age may surprise you.
This may not be the place for this conversation , but his death was not "normal".
Have to admit his vote on systemd would probably been the main deciding factor.
Seen too much evil in this world to completely dismiss his claim. It has some truth in it.
His last few tweets were very strange. Also have to consider if he made them or who had his phone?
I do not believe everything I am told unless I can prove it to myself. Murdock and his death just left me with an uneasy feeling
and no way to prove any theory.
Conclusion= I do not know the truth about his death.
I agree with pretty much all of that. Even took a screen shot of his final tweets. I do know that Bruce Perens, the second leader of Debian who knew Ian very well, debunked some of the conspiracy stuff on DNG a while back. I'll try to find some of those posts. In any case, this is probably not the right place to continue this discussion.
#2281 Re: Installation » Sources List all Non-Free ? » 2018-11-23 23:38:53
@kuleszdl . . . Free software is a DO-ocracy. You are free to submit a patch to the installer that will do exactly what you want.
#2282 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » What games do you play on Devuan?? » 2018-11-23 22:22:21
I play solitaire. 
#2283 Re: Devuan » First impressions in Devuan » 2018-11-23 22:21:37
yeah i know why they killed ian murdock because he didnt want debian have systemd
now when hes dead they can put anything they want to debian
That is some fantasy you've conjured up!! FYI, Bruce Perens took over leadership of the Debian Project in 1996 and Ian moved on to other things.
From wikipedia :
In January 2006, Murdock was appointed Chief Technology Officer of the Free Standards Group and elected chair of the Linux Standard Base workgroup.[5] He continued as CTO of the Linux Foundation when the group was formed from the merger of the Free Standards Group and Open Source Development Labs.
Murdock left the Linux Foundation to join Sun Microsystems in March 2007[6] to lead Project Indiana, which he described as "taking the lesson that Linux has brought to the operating system and providing that for Solaris", making a full OpenSolaris distribution with GNOME and userland tools from GNU plus a network-based package management system.[7] From March 2007 to February 2010, he was Vice President of Emerging Platforms at Sun,[8] until the company merged with Oracle and he resigned his position with the company.[9]
From 2011 until 2015 Murdock was Vice President of Platform and Developer Community at Salesforce Marketing Cloud, based in Indianapolis.[9][10]
From November 2015 until his death Murdock was working for Docker, Inc.[9]
#2284 Re: News & Announcements » We're now 800 strong here! » 2018-11-21 22:00:42
@yeti . . . 800 registered users but about 250 (less than 1/3) have never posted. Those who have participated have created a helpful, welcoming environment.
#2285 News & Announcements » We're now 800 strong here! » 2018-11-21 18:22:56
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Subject says it all. This little experiment has become quite a resource for Devuan and its users. A huge 'thank you' to everyone who contributes knowledge and friendliness to our community. On to 900 and then . . .
#2286 Re: Off-topic » How to install a Grub from gnome-look.org?. » 2018-11-21 16:32:19
You should be more cautious with unclear content scripts. Such "helpers" can irreparably damage the system.
^^^ This. I have refrained from posting to this thread because sometimes learning takes experiential knowledge. If it borks the system or worse it will be more a memorable lesson than a caution from someone who has been there and done that.
#2287 Re: Other Issues » Frequent aptitude upgrade error » 2018-11-21 07:08:11
Have you tried using deb.devuan.org as per https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list and https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt ?
#2288 Re: Other Issues » How to get youtube-dl-gui? [solved] » 2018-11-15 21:02:35
I'm not zephyr but . . . right click on the panel then "Add new items". "Launcher" is the first option on the list here. There might also be an option to do the in the youtube-dl GUI.
#2289 Re: Other Issues » Problems with an update/grub-customizer. » 2018-11-14 14:51:58
Ha! Mystery solved. Not surprised it doesn't work. Last update was 2014-02-22. A lot has changed since then . . .
#2290 Re: Other Issues » Problems with an update/grub-customizer. » 2018-11-13 15:09:52
O'k if i can understand, after reading this document, i was using the wrong mirrors. Why? ... i don't know, i don't know how it happened ...
The repos were upgraded to a round-robin of over a dozen servers. That upgrade was part of the ASCII release. Always good to read the release notes.
I changed the sources.list to the new mirrors and update/upgrade the system [the tor mirrors options were not possible to add -- the system never update with them].
Hmmm . . . issues have been reported with tor but I have no experience using the onion address.
But the problem remain, there is no grub-customizer after all this ...
It looks like it's not in the Debian Stretch repos. You can check here. Not in jessie repos either afaict. Where did you get that .deb?
#2291 Re: Other Issues » Problems with an update/grub-customizer. » 2018-11-13 13:49:12
Please read the ### Devuan Package Repositories section of the ASCII release notes.
#2292 Re: Other Issues » Problems with an update/grub-customizer. » 2018-11-12 20:22:53
Please post your sources.list. When I searched our pkginfo.devuan.org I got this:
0 results for "grub-customizer_4.0.6_i386.deb" in any (in 16.058632ms)
#2293 Re: Installation » How do I create a configured raspberry image? » 2018-11-10 17:56:52
I think that the arm-sdk toolkit should do what you want. There are other flavors of SDK here if you want to explore further.
#2294 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone install Kali tools on Devuan? [solved] » 2018-11-10 00:42:57
golinux wrote:ball wrote:I'm well aware. I was suggesting using katoolin on Devuan or MX Linux.
MX Linux just has sysvinit enabled according to Debian's instructions. All of systemd is still intact and can be enabled at user's request. So how would that be different than trying katoolin on Debian itself?
MX Linux does not have systemd installed by default, and they strongly urge users not to use it.
You just repeated what I said. I suspect you don't understand that systemd disabled by default still leaves active systemd elements and hooks. Devuan removes those.
#2295 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone install Kali tools on Devuan? [solved] » 2018-11-09 19:54:08
I'm well aware. I was suggesting using katoolin on Devuan or MX Linux.
MX Linux just has sysvinit enabled according to Debian's instructions. All of systemd is still intact and can be enabled at user's request. So how would that be different than trying katoolin on Debian itself?
#2296 Re: Forum Feedback » Disconnect / Reconnect » 2018-11-08 20:23:10
Maybe this will help:
#2297 Re: Forum Feedback » Disconnect / Reconnect » 2018-11-08 14:56:59
Welcome! I don't quite understand your question but I may know the answer. When you login, there is an option to stay logged in (or something like that). Just tick that box and you won't get bit by the timeout bug.
#2298 Re: Other Issues » BotBot.me still running » 2018-11-08 05:41:25
It's dead here.
#2299 Re: Installation » Sources List all Non-Free ? » 2018-11-08 00:59:15
Well, the question that remains open to me is why such an important question is asked only in expert installs? I see a heavy conflict with this behavior of the installer and the statement posted on the website about non free-firmware (at https://devuan.org/os/source-code)
The website warns about enabling these repositories and even recommends consulting a lawyer before using non-free firmware, but the installer loads it by default without asking? I thought this must have been some misunderstanding, but I just actually tested this on a system with Intel 5300 Wifi and indeed the installer does not ask at all and silently loads the non-free firmware.
That statement was written a long time ago and I agree that section should be updated to explain the current policy.
Imho, even if the installer finds hardware that needs non-free firmware, who says the user wants to use this hardware at all? If the Devuan policy is that non-free firmware might be harmful and only enabled with care, the installer imho should not decide this for users only in expert mode.
I remember the debate but not the details for the decision to install non-free make non-free available to install if needed so have requested clarification of how that came about. As soon as I know, you will too.
#2300 Re: Installation » Sources List all Non-Free ? » 2018-11-08 00:09:53
Not sure how this is implemented, but personally, I find it unacceptable to enable these sources without asking the user for confirmation first (is this really the case?). I was also rather disappointed to find these repos enabled by default in the embedded builds.
fsmith red explained it very clearly.
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