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#2152 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-03 16:48:19

zapper wrote:

but wouldn't it be as fast a thinkpad x230?

I doubt it, those A53 cores aren't very fast at all and the Coretex-M4F is only 32-bit. It would be much better if they used a Snapdragon 8cx but I suppose that would hit their profit margin too much.

But at least it uses an open-source compatible graphics chip, unlike the PineBook Pro and it's shitty Mali GPU.

#2153 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-03 16:20:16

That is an interesting device but it's over-priced and under-powered (IMO). And they claim it runs Debian 11, which doesn't exist (yet). If they actually mean Debian bullseye then Devuan chimaera should also work on it.

#2154 Re: Off-topic » (solved) grub custom menu for other distro using F2FS filesystem. » 2020-09-01 17:11:42

No, the GRUB version in beowulf doesn't support f2fs.

HevyDevy wrote:

I wonder if there is a workaround? I tried copying to the custom grub menu the entry that artix linux creates and it complains of not having /boot/grub/i386-pc/f2fs.mod loaded (and yes i do have f2fs-tools installed in devuan and artix), so i wonder if i could just move that module there into stable grub

I was thinking about suggesting that but a better solution is probably to just install GRUB in Artix instead of Devuan. The only problem with that is having to manually update the configuration every time the kernel version in Devuan changes.

Another alternative is to install Artix's GRUB version in Devuan by running these commands from Artix:

# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
# pacman -S grub
# grub-install --target=i386-pc --boot-directory=/mnt /dev/sda

Then remove the grub-pc package in Devuan but keep the grub2-common package installed so that the configuration file is updated every time the kernel version changes:

# apt install grub-pc- grub2-common

And yet another alternative is to backport the grub-pc, grub-common & grub2-common packages from ceres.

I presume this is a non-UEFI system?

#2155 Re: Forum Feedback » Best place to post a howto_? » 2020-08-31 15:49:47

danuan wrote:

does that seem fair ?

Indubitably. Good work!

#2156 Re: Off-topic » (solved) grub custom menu for other distro using F2FS filesystem. » 2020-08-31 13:38:32

HevyDevy wrote:

when i update-grub there but this is not the case as update-grub just finds unknown linux distro and it dont boot

Devuan's GRUB can't deal with the multiple initramfs images that are created in Arch-based distribustions if the CPU µcode package is installed.

If you post the actual /boot/grub/grub.cfg file then we could confirm if this is the problem here.

HevyDevy wrote:

In /etc/grub.d/40_custom

menuentry "Artix" {
	set root=(hd0,3)
	 linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux-lts
	 initrd /boot/initramfs-linux-lts.img
}

You need to pass the location of the root partition to the kernel and it's best to identify it with a UUID because the block device assignment might change from one boot to the next.

Try something like this (replace $uuid with the actual UUID for the Artix root partition):

menuentry 'Artix' {
   search --fs-uuid --set=root $uuid
   linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux-lts root=UUID=$uuid rw quiet # add any other boot parameters here
   initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img /boot/initramfs-linux-lts.img
}

^ That presumes the intel-ucode package is installed, check /boot in Artix for the actual initramfs images and adjust as required.

#2157 Re: Forum Feedback » Best place to post a howto_? » 2020-08-31 08:39:45

There is already a guide for Debian buster that should be applicable to beowulf:

https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/ … 20ZFS.html

#2158 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » amdgpu-pro drivers » 2020-08-30 10:32:05

Terence wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

If you're using VirtualBox (which you shouldn't because it's shit) then you need the "guest additions" for proper graphics support. Ask the interweb about it (or switch to QEMU/KVM, which is faster and generally better all-round).

Well, I followed your recommendation. Installed Beowulf on KVM (`virt-manager`) with `backports` and `firmaware-amd-graphics`.
Max. chooseable resolution is 1920*1200. Does it mean, due the fact that in KVM hasn't 'guest.iso', that if I install `Beowulf`on my NVMe I will have a max of ca. 1k instead of 4k?

You don't need a backported kernel or the AMD graphics firmware if you're running in a VM because the VM isn't exposed to the AMD card (as I already explained and as you already claimed to have understood).

I don't use virt-manager but I know that the default -vga std option for QEMU supports up to 2560x1600. The -vga qxl option will support up to 2560x1440 and higher resolutions are available if the VGA memory size for the QXL drivers is increased: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QE … or_support

I presume your guest has the xserver-xorg-video-qxl package installed?

Terence wrote:

Baremetal yes, 4k (3840*2160) not at all. EDID is OK, firmware is OK, xrandr is ok, resolution not, the thread will never close this way.

No, it will never end unless you start providing some logs that are relevant to the problem (in this case the X.Org log) and clearly state which version of the kernel and firmware packages are installed.

@rolfie says that the RX580 works for them, I don't have that card or a 4k monitor so I can't really comment directly.

Terence wrote:

vbeinfo is deprecated, videoinfo is actual command

Oops, sorry.

Terence wrote:

I meant the installation-representation, under *buntus is called `ubiquity`. There is much more to read and write. Maybe I can switch shortly to terminal command and force `os-installer-resolution` to higher value and be able to read the installer-text.

Well just use the non-graphical installer then. I was under the impression that the beowulf ISO didn't provide a graphical installer anyway.

Terence wrote:

No newbie explanation here?

Apparently not, no.

#2159 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-08-29 20:01:24

Vernon wrote:

Dell Vostro A90 netbook running Devuan Buster with LXQt

So that's a 32-bit system with 1GiB of RAM then? Not really comparable to my (64-bit) ThinkPad E485 with 16GiB of RAM — Linux eats all the memory it can and with 16GiB available usage shoots up in comparison to a 1GiB system.

Vernon wrote:

Perhaps its time to switch to Devuan

No way, glibc is a bloat-monster compared to musl tongue

But seriously, I have compared live versions of some of the Openbox Devuan derivatives and Alpine is still significantly lighter on my hardware.

EDIT: and the Debian-derived abstractions always irritate me after a while, Alpine's simplicity is more to my liking.

#2160 Re: Devuan » eudev » 2020-08-29 12:34:52

ShorTie wrote:

All Lives Matter

Yes, that's the whole point of Black Lives Matter — at the moment black lives seem to matter less than non-black lives roll

And I am very pleased to offend such an ignorant fuckwit as yourself big_smile

ShorTie wrote:
Devuan ~ # mkdir tmp2
Devuan ~ # cd tmp2
Devuan tmp2 # wget https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/eudev_3.2.7.orig.tar.gz
--2020-08-29 07:19:32--  https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/eudev_3.2.7.orig.tar.gz
Resolving pkgmaster.devuan.org (pkgmaster.devuan.org)... 54.36.142.183, 2001:41d0:2:1f68::3624:8eb7
Connecting to pkgmaster.devuan.org (pkgmaster.devuan.org)|54.36.142.183|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 1945415 (1.9M) [text/plain]
Saving to: 'eudev_3.2.7.orig.tar.gz'

eudev_3.2.7.orig.tar.gz                              100%[====================================================================================================================>]   1.85M   110KB/s    in 15s

2020-08-29 07:19:49 (126 KB/s) - 'eudev_3.2.7.orig.tar.gz' saved [1945415/1945415]

Devuan tmp2 # tar xf eudev_3.2.7.orig.tar.gz
Devuan tmp2 # cd eudev-3.2.7
Devuan eudev-3.2.7 # wget https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/eudev_3.2.7-6.debian.tar.xz
--2020-08-29 07:21:08--  https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/eudev_3.2.7-6.debian.tar.xz
Resolving pkgmaster.devuan.org (pkgmaster.devuan.org)... 54.36.142.183, 2001:41d0:2:1f68::3624:8eb7
Connecting to pkgmaster.devuan.org (pkgmaster.devuan.org)|54.36.142.183|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 61868 (60K) [text/plain]
Saving to: 'eudev_3.2.7-6.debian.tar.xz'

eudev_3.2.7-6.debian.tar.xz                          100%[====================================================================================================================>]  60.42K   133KB/s    in 0.5s

2020-08-29 07:21:09 (133 KB/s) - 'eudev_3.2.7-6.debian.tar.xz' saved [61868/61868]

Devuan eudev-3.2.7 # dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b
dpkg-buildpackage: error: cannot open file debian/changelog: No such file or directory

WTF are you doing? Why didn't you unpack the tarball containing the debian directory? hmm

Try this instead:

# apt install build-essential devscripts
# tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list <<<'deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main'
# apt update
mkdir -p ~/builds/eudev && cd ~/builds/eudev
apt source eudev && cd eudev-3.2.7
# mk-build-deps --install --remove
debuild -us -uc
# aptitude purge eudev-build-deps

^ That works for me.

ShorTie wrote:

Maybe exacually LOOK at the config ?

I did:

override_dh_auto_configure:
        dh_auto_configure --builddirectory=build-deb \
                -- $(CONFFLAGS) $(CONFFLAGS_deb)
        dh_auto_configure --builddirectory=build-udeb \
                -- $(CONFFLAGS) $(CONFFLAGS_udeb)

#2161 Re: Devuan » eudev » 2020-08-29 10:48:13

ShorTie wrote:

Does anyone here know any thing about eudev ?

Not much but if you have an actual question then please post it so I can demonstrate how useless your search-fu is tongue

ShorTie wrote:

Why can I not rebuild it with 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b' ?

Because you don't know what you're doing. Please post the actual errors so that we can help you.

FWIW I've just managed to rebuild it from the Devuan source in my Debian buster box with no problems whatsoever.

ShorTie wrote:

What kind of convoluted crap does your build system do ??
What ever happened to the KISS method ??

Debian is not and has never been in any way KISS, it is one of the more abstracted and complicated distributions; Devuan inherits this complexity, for better or worse.

If you want a systemd-free KISS distribution then perhaps try K1SS smile

ShorTie wrote:

Why does it get built with --disable-dependency-tracking ??
[...]
The prefix variable does NOT seemed to be passed properly either, lol.

I mean it's configured with --disable-maintainer-mode, which is not even a valid option for eudev, lol.

Why do you think this?

The debian/rules file has no such options:

CONFFLAGS = \
        --exec-prefix= \
        --with-rootprefix= \
        --with-rootlibdir=/lib/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) \
        --disable-silent-rules

CONFFLAGS_deb = \
        --enable-selinux \
        --enable-manpages \
        $(NULL)

CONFFLAGS_udeb = \
        --disable-selinux \
        --disable-manpages

#2162 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-08-29 10:38:02

Vernon wrote:

What was the actual number of tabs you had open in each browser?

8

Vernon wrote:

Were the websites in each tab identical for each browser

Yes.

Vernon wrote:

Were some Web sites using JavaScript/HTML5/WebSockets or other memory/CPU intensive operations?

No, javascript was disabled in both browsers.

Vernon wrote:

What command(s) did you use to get these number?

https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem

#2163 Re: Installation » Dot in login » 2020-08-29 10:33:31

Alexey Kor wrote:

no one knows why

Well the reason for not allowing a regex symbol in the user name seems pretty clear to me.

EDIT: and if you mean the appendix then it's a vestigial organ that is used to digest non-starch polysaccharides in ruminants but we use it as a storage area for commensal micro-organisms.

#2164 Re: Other Issues » dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata not working in Beowulf? » 2020-08-29 10:30:19

tlathm wrote:

For the time being I may just work around it by doing an "ln -snf <zonefile> /etc/localtime.

That's exactly what the postinst script does:

if [ "$1" = configure ]; then
    # If the user prefers to manage the time zone by itself, let him doing that.

    if ! [ -e /etc/timezone ] && [ -z "$DEBCONF_RECONFIGURE" ] ; then
        db_stop
        echo
        echo "User defined time zone, leaving /etc/localtime unchanged."
    else
    
        # Get the values from debconf
        AREA=Etc
        ZONE=UTC
        db_get tzdata/Areas && AREA="$RET"
        db_get tzdata/Zones/$AREA && ZONE="$RET"
        db_stop
    
        # Update the time zone
        echo $AREA/$ZONE > /etc/timezone
        ln -nsf /usr/share/zoneinfo/$AREA/$ZONE /etc/localtime.dpkg-new && \
            mv -f /etc/localtime.dpkg-new /etc/localtime
        which restorecon >/dev/null 2>&1 && restorecon /etc/localtime
    
        echo 
        echo "Current default time zone: '$AREA/$ZONE'"
    fi

    # Show the new setting to the user
    TZBase=$(LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC0 date)
    UTdate=$(LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC0 date -d "$TZBase")
    TZdate=$(unset TZ ; LANG=C date -d "$TZBase")
    echo "Local time is now:      $TZdate."
    echo "Universal Time is now:  $UTdate."
    if [ -z "$DEBCONF_RECONFIGURE" ] ; then
        echo "Run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' if you wish to change it."
    fi
    echo
fi

EDIT: added the rest of the configure option.

#2165 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » amdgpu-pro drivers » 2020-08-27 18:48:49

Terence wrote:

Regarding the backports-repository, I could install `Header files for Linux 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-amd64` from `backports/main` but... there are also things like `libreoffice 1.7` and generally I made bad experience with backports at least under kubuntu.

Well that's because Kubuntu is a pile of crap big_smile

For Devuan the backports have a pin value of 100 by default and so will only be installed and upgraded from there if the --target option is used: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

Terence wrote:

Actually (see above) I run Kubuntu as host and Beowulf in the VM

Kubuntu include the firmware blobs in the kernel (bunch of degenerates) and a beowulf VM will not "see" your video card unless you pass through the PCI address.

Check the lspci output in the VM, it will almost certainly show a virtual video card.

Terence wrote:

on beowulf want not start at all on my main machine giving me only black-screen and cursor

Well the RX580 card is definitely supported, as confirmed by rolfie earlier in this thread.

Terence wrote:

Installed former Devuan3.iso in VM and cannot get a bigger resolution than 1024, no matter what I try

If you're using VirtualBox (which you shouldn't because it's shit) then you need the "guest additions" for proper graphics support. Ask the interweb about it (or switch to QEMU/KVM, which is faster and generally better all-round).

Terence wrote:

Installed former Devuan3.iso as main system and got black screen, can login, make apdates, install software but was not able to start GUI.

For a bare metal installation you will need the firmware-amd-graphics package, as I have mentioned several times now.

Terence wrote:

Does GRUB use Xorg?

No.

Terence wrote:

How can I increase the resolution during Installation? I cannot see anything!

Press c at the GRUB screen, use the vbeinfo command to list the supported resolutions then press escape and edit the installer GRUB menuentry to add the desired resolution to the end of the line that starts with linux; for example:

video=800x600@75
Terence wrote:

How to create the `Xorg-configuration-file` properly and how to point the system to look at that during start?

Read man xorg.conf. The system will automatically read the file if it is placed in the correct location.

Terence wrote:

How to let read the system at EDID and configure Xorg properly?

If Kubuntu displays the correct resolution then the EDID block is not the problem.

#2166 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] BTRFS on RAID and SUBVOLS but double entry on GRUB, why? » 2020-08-27 18:27:20

Danielsan wrote:

I won't get in the details now but after installation I was able to create BTRFS raid, create my subvolumes, and run Devuan from them.

Is this to be a challenge thread then? tongue

Can we at least see the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg?

#2167 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-08-26 18:31:51

MiyoLinux wrote:

BadWolf

Hmm, interesting. It's quite nice and a bit lighter than firefox-esr in my Alpine system:

 53.6 MiB +  71.8 MiB = 125.3 MiB       badwolf
115.5 MiB + 170.6 MiB = 286.1 MiB       WebKitNetworkProcess (8)
371.3 MiB + 500.0 MiB = 871.3 MiB       WebKitWebProcess (8)
947.4 MiB +   1.2 GiB =   2.1 GiB       firefox (12)

Same tabs open in both, a saving of ~800MiB is quite significant smile

But I do think FF has a memory leak somewhere...

#2168 Re: DIY » Brave Browser, firejail, firefox 78 to firefox 79 » 2020-08-26 18:20:20

NickWilliamsPoetArtist wrote:

Firefox 79 is compatible with Devuan, it was available last time I checked on Devuan repositories from Ceres release

Adding the ceres repositories to beowulf will break your system, that is an entirely expected result: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian … nkenDebian

To use the non-ESR version of Firefox in beowulf download the tarball from Mozilla and then unpack and run it from your home directory.

#2169 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-08-26 14:59:25

Interesting paper analysing the information transmitted by various browsers, including Brave:

https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs … rivacy.pdf

#2170 Re: DIY » Brave Browser, firejail, firefox 78 to firefox 79 » 2020-08-26 14:55:42

NickWilliamsPoetArtist wrote:

have noticed firefox 79 on linux requires the removal of libreoffice

I've just managed to install both FF v80 and LibreOffice in my Alpine Linux system (edge repositories) and there are no mentions of such a problem either on the Arch news page or in their forums so that doesn't appear to be the case.

Are you running one of the Devuan development branches? Package transitions can result in some things being un-installable for a while so perhaps you have encountered that issue.

NickWilliamsPoetArtist wrote:

(android users all over not happy)

LibreOffice is available for Android? hmm

#2171 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2020-08-25 15:16:23

OpenBSD is always going to be slower than Linux because the developers prioritise security over features — for example their kernel is still mostly big-locked[0].

#2172 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » amdgpu-pro drivers » 2020-08-25 15:06:06

@OP: the post from @penguin is full of crap, that user doesn't know what they're doing and you shouldn't follow their advice.

Terence wrote:

How to install 'kernel 5.4.0-42-generic'?

Do not do that, that kernel is hopelessly outdated and only available from Ubuntu.

If you want to try a newer kernel than the 4.19 LTS branch supplied with beowulf then install the linux-image-amd64 metapackage from the beowulf-backports repository.

And to repeat: you *do not* need to install the AMDGPU-PRO drivers, they will offer worse performance than the stock open-source drivers supplied with the kernel (and written by AMD themselves).

Please post the output of

apt policy firmware-amd-graphics
# dmesg | grep firmware # needs to be run as root
uname -a
Terence wrote:

It's not (meanwhile) a question of `sources.list`, it's a question of to small resolution

Your desired resolution will only be supported if you have the firmware package from the non-free component of the repositories so they are entirely relevant here.

It is possible that your monitor isn't supplying a valid EDID block (or perhaps the cable or connector is sub-standard) but the most likely cause is a lack of firmware.

EDIT:

Terence wrote:

Another 'nice to have' could be 10 Bit deep color representation

Create an X.Org configuration file with a Screen section containing this option:

   DefaultDepth 30

See also https://linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_enable_1 … r_on_Linux

#2173 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2020-08-24 13:29:16

HevyDevy wrote:

What vulnerabilities could be in gnu grep?

Probably none, there have only been two known vulnerabilities reported for it: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/2380 … ndor_id=72

But I was speaking in general terms — it is reasonable to assume that all code contains a number of bugs per thousand sloc so smaller code tends to be better (which is one of the reasons why I prefer OpenRC to systemd).

#2174 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2020-08-24 09:14:16

Vernon wrote:

Be aware that BSD tools are different than GNU. For example, BSD grep is at least 10 times slower than GNU  grep.

Be aware that OpenBSD has GNU's grep version in their ports tree: https://openports.se/sysutils/ggrep

OpenBSD avoids the GNU tools because of licensing incompatibilities but it's also worth noting that GNU's software tends to be rather bloated in respect of the codebase, which can expose potential vulnerabilities.

EDIT: for a rough example of this compare OpenBSD's grep.c (487 sloc) with GNU's grep.c (2177 sloc).

#2175 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-08-23 19:01:18

rayburn wrote:
root@miyolinux:/# grub-install /dev/sda4

Install to the device rather than the partition.

Better method:

# dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc

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