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Note to self:when booting from "super grub2 disk" i got this error msg:"waiting for /dev to be fully populated ... tpm-crb msft0101.00 can't request region from resource [mem 0x9a<something_1> - 0x9a<something_2>]".
The base system, which is the same on all, is just a so called "minbase" debootstrap (with a couple of extras). It serves as a starting point for installing the chosen end-user flavour and is not really intended to be an installation end-point.
This sounds intresting. Is there a way i could get "the absolute minimal version of Devuan os" as .iso-file somehow?
I liked the minimal live but i don't completely agree with the choice of packages it has.
Ian McEwan:machines like me.
At first it was boring but then the writer introduced Alan Turing and all that "P vs NP"-stuff.
There is no need for any init script for simple applications like firefox(-esr), libreoffice, vlc, virtualbox ....
I'll have to confirm the "virtualbox-situation" but if i remember correctly what i saw in july was some vbox-related scripts under /etc/init.d . I had to link them with "ln -s" in order to make virtualbox work properly. Or maybe i had to run update-initramfs or mkinitramfs to make vbox work. It was a very fuzzy july morning.
Not much difference between being sleep deprived or being drunk.
nahkhiirmees wrote:I guess distros with systemd work in a sense that i can run firefox and vlc and virtualbox and stuff like that.
There is no need for any init script for simple applications like firefox(-esr), libreoffice, vlc, virtualbox ....
Starting firefox from initscript is not what i meant.
I meant that it is possible to do mundane stuff with systemd-distro as well as with non-systemd-distro.
Couple years ago i changed my main os to Devuan partly because there were other things than systemd in then-current-Debian that i didn't like. The systemd-thing was just icing on the cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHq9yMXw3iA Opeth - Cusp Of Eternity
after 20+ years of blastbeats , progressive stuff starts to sound more interesting. Maybe information theory has something to do with that.
Hi there,
I upgrade Debian for the ROC-RK3328-CC into Devuan but I feel I missed some important network packages, since, personally, the Debian image provided by Libre.Computer was very opinionated.
On my Devuan desktop installation I have these packages installed:
$ aptitude search '~i ~d network' i A avahi-autoipd - Avahi IPv4LL network address configuration i A avahi-daemon - Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon i A avahi-utils - Avahi browsing, publishing and discovery u i A dbus-system-bus-common - simple interprocess messaging system (syst i A dirmngr - GNU privacy guard - network certificate ma i A gir1.2-nm-1.0 - GObject introspection data for the libnm l i A glib-networking - network-related giomodules for GLib i A glib-networking-common - network-related giomodules for GLib - data i A glib-networking-services - network-related giomodules for GLib - D-Bu i A iftop - displays bandwidth usage information on an i ifupdown - high level tools to configure network inte i iproute2 - networking and traffic control tools i iputils-ping - Tools to test the reachability of network i A libaudio2 - Network Audio System - shared libraries i A libavahi-client3 - Avahi client library i A libavahi-common-data - Avahi common data files i A libavahi-common3 - Avahi common library i A libavahi-core7 - Avahi's embeddable mDNS/DNS-SD library i A libavahi-glib1 - Avahi GLib integration library i A libmng1 - Multiple-image Network Graphics library i A libnet-netmask-perl - module to parse, manipulate and lookup IP i A libnm0 - GObject-based client library for NetworkMa i A libnma-common - NetworkManager GUI library - translations i A libnma0 - NetworkManager GUI library i A libnss3 - Network Security Service libraries i A libqt5network5 - Qt 5 network module i A libsnmp40 - SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) i A libsodium23 - Network communication, cryptography and si i libuuid1 - Universally Unique ID library i net-tools - NET-3 networking toolkit i netbase - Basic TCP/IP networking system i A network-manager - network management framework (daemon and u i A network-manager-gnome - network management framework (GNOME fronte i pngquant - PNG (Portable Network Graphics) image opti i rfkill - tool for enabling and disabling wireless d i tigervnc-viewer - Virtual network computing client for X i traceroute - Traces the route taken by packets over an i A xfce4-netload-plugin - network load monitor plugin for the Xfce4 $ aptitude search '~i ~d dhcp' i A avahi-autoipd - Avahi IPv4LL network address configuration i A dnsmasq-base - Small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP serv i isc-dhcp-client - DHCP client for automatically obtaining an i isc-dhcp-common - common manpages relevant to all of the isc
But which are the mandatory ones?
Thanks 🙏
If you're using DHCP, "isc-dchp"-packages are necessary i think. I would keep net-tools, netbase, iproute2 and ifupdown also. Traceroute for debugging purposes.
Ok, removal of libavahi-packages may have unwanted side-effect so better to keep them for now.
The other ones are not so "mandatory". If you're using gpg for something, dirmngr may be necessary.
If you know how to edit files under /etc/network , network-manager-* packages are pointless.
And if you need to connect to other computers with vnc, tigervnc is necessary, otherwise not.
The most recent w10 install iso fixed EFI partition alright. But installed w10 sees changes made with grub-install as a damage and repairs them. (Or that's what the situation looked like last week.)
So i'll need an older version of that .iso. And also few more memory sticks. In theory you can write to them many times. In practice they are write-once-media. Those sticks have a tendency to stop working properly after few rewrites. Optical discs were more reliable.
The super grub disk2, non-hybrid variant, was able to boot from /boot partition. Few times out of several. It would be nice if i could improve that propability somehow.
It is very uncertain if or when i'll get a chance to fix those problems with tables and dns.
I'm not happy about this but it seems that i have to use windows and copy linux stuff inside a virtual machine, and fix things there. Assuming that this particular Fujitsu co-operates with virtualbox or another software.
Lord Anubis needs some new hosts soon. Current ones won't do.
Edit:optical disks with external dvd drive worked a little better than usb sticks. Have to reinstall w10 and D4 someday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crs4Shbe4e4&t=1209s PAIN - Coming Home
I guess i should have changed tables rules and install+configure dns stuff *before* i started removing unnecessary packages. The removal of unnecessary packages caused removal of iptables also and after that things went kind of complicated.
Anyways, dd or cp from hdd to sdd is still an option.
Friday night it came clear to me that my "new desktop" is not working anymore. Much more trouble than it is worth. So i started to work on that Fujitsu. First i tried to make a temporary install, see how far i can go on , before dd'ing /home and / from hdd. Experiment didn't go that well. Partly because there may be something wrong with those configuration files i extracted. And partly because i copied wrong iso into stick. In july, the one that had "f89ac..." as hash worked. I mean worked with my desktop. Easy hardware.
The iso that i tried first this weekend, https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaer … esktop.iso didn't work as well (w/ Fujitsu).
Now i have erased previous partitions in Fujitsu and made a working EFI partition with windows10 install iso (yuck). And used daedalus amd64 desktop iso in rescue mode to copy /boot and / from hdd. When trying to grub-install /dev/sda inside that copied partition, i ran into error "/boot/grub/x86-64-efi:no such file or directory". So either i run grub-install again from the installer environment or install efi-version of grub into that /-partition. Let's see how it goes.
One thing i noticed with Daedalus: the manual partition tool was getting my way when trying to do things. How about giving an option to jump into a shell and giving the necessary commands by hand? In the partition menu i mean. To accompany those automatic and manual modes.
This "laptops and memory sticks"-thing is no country for old men.
In /etc/default/grub there's keyword GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID . But somehow i doubt that commenting or uncommenting it would help.
I suspect that there is some kind of hardware+software-combination which makes a simple thing complicated, like during 2008 with Debian.
Have to try again tonight. Before i went to sleep, i erased the EFI partition as a last resort, didn't know what else to do. Now i have to find out if i can get out of that partitioning process with EFI erased. I'm worried that i have to re-install windows to Fujitsu so that i can get a proper EFI-partition back. Yuck.
I shouldn't have marked this as solved. The problem with initrd still remains. With my new laptop the automagic of mkinitramfs didn't do it's job properly for some reason. I have to learn the hard way to do things with initrd.
This time no root on lvm but still.
I guess i should have changed tables rules and install+configure dns stuff *before* i started removing unnecessary packages. The removal of unnecessary packages caused removal of iptables also and after that things went kind of complicated.
Anyways, dd or cp from hdd to sdd is still an option.
Btw, this time i didn't configure dnsmasq or iptables by hand. Instead i extracted files from tar, "cd /;tar -f /somedir/archive.tar -x ./etc".
First it seemed like a good way to save time. Not necessarily if the files are rotten like the scripts are.
Tried also that "dd trick". No problems with copying "dd if=/dev/external_disk/partition of=/dev/internal_disk/partition" . Or with "cp -a /external/dir /internal/dir". Some of the ssd's partitions weren't exactly same size as the hdd's.
But making grub boot from those extra-partitions was a problem.
Tried copying vmlinuz and initrd from hdd's version of /boot to ssd's /boot and reconfiguring grub ... once or twice i started getting complaints about shim. Had to reinstall Chimaera to get rid of those complaints. (Maybe grub-install could have fixed the problem also.)
On the other hand, chrooting into hdd's version of /-partition+mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img.new + update-grub ... didn't ruin grub, but that new initrd didn't work either. I got many messages like "UUID=12356-789-xxx...". So it looks like the new initrd couldn't find the root partition at all.
Is there a way i can configure initrd so that it doesn't use UUID:s for anything at all? The situation is very simple: underlying device for root partition is /dev/sdax , cryptsetup inside initrd should use that to make /dev/root_partition available. How do i say this simple thing to that idiotic initrd?
I guess i should have changed tables rules and install+configure dns stuff *before* i started removing unnecessary packages. The removal of unnecessary packages caused removal of iptables also and after that things went kind of complicated.
Anyways, dd or cp from hdd to sdd is still an option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSfL0w-l7AE OBITUARY - Dying of Everything it seems that they made some improvements after Frozen In Time. That one was a disappointment.
NetworkMangler has its place: non-experts who just want networking to work. I sometimes add 1 or 100 or 1000 primary and secondary IP addresses to an IF for testing. The Mangler says, "Hey! I didn't put these addresses here! Delete! Delete! Delete! Hey! If you want to make a change to networking, *ASK ME*! Don't try to go around me!"
That reminds me of avahi. It got in my way when i tried if it is possible to do thing x with dnsmasq. Some webpages have also considered avahi as a security risk.
I guess distros with systemd work in a sense that i can run firefox and vlc and virtualbox and stuff like that.
But i'm not fully convinced it is a way to go. On the other hand i sometimes wonder if all those scripts related to sysvinit are absolutely necessary, could you do things another way instead? Make init or inittab do the jobs of those rc-scripts somehow?
But i'm more familiar with shellscripts and maybe Python and Docker than i'm with C so i guess for now i use sysvinit and that's it.
Familiar in the sense that i can be dangerous with them, i mean
The installation process is not impossible with that machine. It seems that problems start when i log in and try to make things like iptables and dnsmasq work properly. So far there have been some collateral damage with the attempts. Not using those faulty scripts anymore but still.
nahkhiirmees wrote:One day i had complaints from every https site i tried to visit. The reason was:the hardware decided that current time is january 2002.
That sounds like the battery for the real time clock is going flat. And might cause it to forget changes you made to the BIOS settings (or just randomly change settings). Replacing the battery would be a good start, then check all the BIOS settings.
Again i think that bios battery is not the whole story. With my "new" desktop things have detoriorated to a situation where it won't boot even from hard disk. I get complaints from bios instead.
I have changed battery 2 or 3 times this year. Tried also returning bios settings to factory defaults once or twice. Changed sata cables also, just in case.
Very interesting problem indeed. Unfortunately i have some things to do, preferably within a deadline. So now is not a good time for further research.
In a way this reminds me the last seasons of Stargate, there were this bad guy called Anubis. He had to change hosts often.
Note to myself, over a year later:in chroot environment mkinitramfs is a better idea than update-initramfs.
For a while i thought that wrong access rights in /tmp-directory was a root of all problems i've been lately having with Devuan. Now i'm not so sure anymore. This morning i tried again installling Devuan into Fujitsu. With chimaera desktop image on a stick i mostly made it working.
Then i screwed up something, again. (Being tired enough is not so different from being drunk. ) Could't login as a normal user even after chmod 777 /tmp. And also something went wrong with "iptables/dnsmasq/dhclient"-side of things in the sense that apt didn't work. There were some complaints related to name service.
Again it seems necessary to find a software less difficult than slim.
I don't think sudo is a problem anymore.
1. using "-p" with "tar -x" is a Bad Idea
2. changing access rights of /tmp is to be avoided at any cost
those facts have become very clear.
I have retuned on this subject. Last weekend i downloaded and burned the amd64 iso from
press ctrl+alt+another_function_key , enter normal_user as login and normal_passwd as passwd, i can get in but "su -" is still not working.
I wonder if there is something weird going on with Chimaera and pam or if the scripts are to blame. Propably the latter one. I guess i will try again soon.
Now i have confirmed that the scripts are cause for "su"-related problems. Command "su -" worked as normal user before.
So now i have to rewrite the scripts from scratch, preferably up-down-style this time, AND inside a virtual machine so that the damage to host os is limited to absolute minimum.
Maybe some day i have a working Devuan in my desktop's harddrive. After that it is time to find out if that dd-trick works with Fujitsu.
I have retuned on this subject. Last weekend i downloaded and burned the amd64 iso from https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/desktop-live/ . Tried to install on my desktop.
X worked. Sudo worked. Those scripts i mentioned earlier worked too, maybe too well i'm afraid. Those scripts were supposed to remove some not-so-necessary-packages but xorg and xfce4 became collateral damage. Not so big deal. I can reinstall those.
But then i noticed that "su -" is still not working. Ctrl+alt+function_key + root as login+root_password and i can login as root. But if i press ctrl+alt+another_function_key , enter normal_user as login and normal_passwd as passwd, i can get in but "su -" is still not working.
I wonder if there is something weird going on with Chimaera and pam or if the scripts are to blame. Propably the latter one. I guess i will try again soon.
What i would like to know:is it possible to have "su -" working without Ubuntu-style-sudo ?
And there's also the issue with mouse and X. Latter is useless without former.
Also reconfigured most of the installed packages so that i could kill X with ctr+alt+backspace. After reconfiguration that combination still doesn't work.
Btw, why there's no configuration file for X under /etc/X11 ?
It starts to look like quicker just to copy contents of my old laptop's ssd into new laptop's ssd. I mean, if i can trust that the install stick and usb-storage module still works. I have noticed that the memory sticks and cards today tend to be use-once-and-throw-away garbage.
i found these lines in /var/log/auth.log:
unix_chkpwd[xxxx]: check pass: user unknown
unix_chkpwd[xxxx+1]: check pass: user unknown
unix_chkpwd[xxxx+1]: password check failed for user (root)
su: pam_unix(su-l:auth) ; authentication failure logname=<normal_user> uid=<uid> euid=<uid> tty=tty2 ruser=<normal_user> rhost= user=root
so maybe a pam problem or pam problem in a sense that a package or a configuration file is missing.