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As Christopher Barry said in his Aug 12 2014 Open letter to the Linux World:
OneLinux == zero-choice
Read that open letter but the proceeding reply is an absolute gem!
Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Computer Hardware".Of course he'll have to make that an acronym.
-- Steve
Unfortunatly linus has submitted to the CoCs.
just goes to show systemd's scope creep. Soon to be systemd linux with various underling operating systems based on it.
How could average userland people like myself help devuan with this if at all?
Hi aitor, i will have to try your popupmenu, thanks.
Hands down i think refracta linux is probably one of the best distros out there as it is so fast to install and boot and just works, well done fsmithred and co.
Been playing around with refracta2 xfce tonight with some theming. Replaced xfce4 panel with tint2 and added jgmenu for the menu. I much prefer tint2 as a panel, to me it has a lot more avenues for styling than xfce4 panel. Jgmenu is brilliant and has come a long way, i urge you to try it out with tint2. The task buttons in that particular tint2 panel follow the colour of the icons via tinting.
You need to investigate what these commands are doing and learn how to use them first but as a guide research the following set of commands to suit your setup.
As ROOT - Check first.
a.
ip link show
b.
ip link set wlan0 up
c.
iw wlan0 link
d.
iw wlan0 scan
Then...
1.
wpa_passphrase ESSID >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[enter pass]
2.
wpa_supplicant -B -D wext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
3.
dhclient wlan0
Always check and study the very useful documentation that come with packages if available in a terminal like man wpa_supplicant or man wpa_passphrase man wpa_supplicant.conf
Bit O/T but ive found on my machine that Devuan has the fastest transfer speeds via usb when c/p from hdd to usb or vice versa. Now ive tried arch, debian you name it. None have compared to the speed which Devuan is able to transfer. Just the other day on my Xfce machine i transfered 9 GB in as little over not less than 3 minutes and it was in sync too. I have old 2.0 ports with 3.0 usb sticks/drives. Whatever is going on with Devuan and usb transfer speeds, it works really well.
It will be interesting to see how it goes but i believe you will just experience breakage that will make it a waste of time.
There is a good thread over at that forum re running bunsenlabs systemd free which should give you some pointers.
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=4939
In my opinion it would be better to install say one of the openbox distros the good folks here at Devuan host like Star, Miyo or Crows and just tweak them to work and feel like bunsenlabs by using the assets from bunsenlabs github like the themes and icons and configs etc.
Since i am using a no dbus version of refracta i cant install gksu or synaptic.
So my workaround is this as i use startx and have no desktop environment/login manager.
1.
(not sure if this a good idea, probably not but i have to as im not using gksu/pkexec/dbus etc)
Edit sudoers as per below.
[your username] ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt, /usr/bin/apt-get
2.
edit .bashrc and add at the end of file...
sudo apt-get -u upgrade --assume-no
So what this does is that everytime you open your terminal it will check upgrades but not install them. That is if you are terminal user and i like to have the terminal autostart when i arrive at the desktop so this is a perfect solution for me.
^ thanks for that, i tried the /etc/network/interfaces way and it just kept coming up it could not find wlan0.
wpa_supplicant seems to working fine so i will leave it alone.
I created a wifi.desktop file and it just brings up a terminal and executes the script. Pretty no frills way of connecting the wifi but hey it works and i only have two connections i can do in my home, 1 wifi connection or tether my phone for ethernet.
Cheers
Just these which you mentioned earlier in the thread. Thank fsmithred.
$ dpkg -l | grep dbus
ii libdbus-1-3:amd64 1.10.22-1+devuan1 amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (library)
ii libdbus-glib-1-2:amd64 0.108-2 amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-based shared library)
In regards to getting wifi connected im doing it manually via wpa supplicant, would there be a way to wrap the commands into a script for use in say yad. I suppose there is an auto start feature somewhere that i havent found. I have to put the device up and then dhclient wlan0 via root each time.wpa_supplicant seems to be set up ok and working fine. I could not figure out setnet.sh , when i tried to Start Bring the interface up (using "ip link set <DEVNAME> up") it would do nothing, so it stalled there because if i cant get the device up then its no use going forward.
regards
PS:
Found this little script, does the job. I suppose i could make it an autostart item in /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart
What are your thoughts?
#!/bin/bash
kill $(ps -e |grep wpa |grep -oP '\d{3,}')
wpa_supplicant -B -D wext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
dhclient wlan0 -v
ping 8.8.8.8 -c 3
I would suspect much of the technology would be under patents and strict control by regulators. Somone somewhere will have to come up with completly new technology in my opinion.
Decided to re visit this.
Ive installed latest version of tint2 [16.6],obmenu-generator,compton,nitrogen and veracrypt (veracrypt tar from upstream manually installed). Im just wondering if im still dbus free though? Is there a way to check? Ive not touched apt/sources.list.
No your not
+1 for Palemoon.
Interesting resource here: http://thereisonlyxul.org/
Massive Attack - Man Next Door
In my opinion, for that laptop you may be better off using a rolling release linux with latest kernels. Not to say that Devuan would not be able to run it, i have no experience in newer types of laptops. You might try artix linux if you dont want systemd as init. They are breaking new ground and are pretty close to staying on par with arch linux.
https://artixlinux.org/
I experienced this last night trying to install a package, i did a sudo apt-get update and that seemed to fix the lag i was exeperiencing.
Miyo is good, you should play around in there first and have a look at what Miyo has done with configs and such and make it your own then try out a base install. You can scale Miyo down or up as long as you know what you are doing.
If you have nvidia graphics are you ok in using the nouveau drivers?
If so try below if not already installed. But before you do see my edited post above yours.
sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Do you have an nvidia graphics card?
I find the program inxi can help a lot with getting much needed info on my system.
If you have backports enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list you should be able to download a current version of inxi.(if you want to).
sudo apt-get -t ascii install inxi
then in terminal after the inxi program has installed, as user (not root).
inxi -GSMr
That command gives quite a comprehensive overview,, you should man inxi before you post results to know what is being displayed.
I love openbox, its minimalism done right imo.
Maybe below code snippet has something to do with it. Its loading glamorgl module but its not working.
Sorry i cant be of anymore help as i am really not sure and dont want to help break your system. Maybe someone else has a better idea of a fix for this.
One last thing that might help is to check and see whats inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if anything.
[ 57.658] (II) Loading sub module "glamoregl"
[ 57.658] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl"
[ 57.658] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so
[ 57.663] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 57.663] compiled for 1.19.2, module version = 1.0.0
[ 57.663] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[ 57.663] (II) glamor: OpenGL accelerated X.org driver based.
[ 57.678] (II) glamor: EGL version 1.4 (DRI2):
[ 57.680] (II) modeset(0): glamor initialized
[ 57.688] (WW) glamor0: Failed to get GLSL version
[ 57.688] (EE) modeset(0): Failed to initialize glamor at ScreenInit() time.
Looks you are using the modesetting driver would that be correct?
If you have lshw what is the output of below command?
sudo lshw -c video
Maybe try another media player application and see if it gives the same errors, try MPV media player.
# apt-get install mpv