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#151 Re: Forum Feedback » Unable to edit any of my own posts » 2020-09-23 10:14:42

Vernon wrote:

Again, your penchant towards secrecy and authoritarianism seem contrary to the stated goals of Devuan being about freedom.

This and some of your other comments, come across as very "forum social justice warrior".  You can argue endlessly over how a forum is administered, but when all is said and done - they "administer" and you do not.  Far from being about "freedom and democracy", most web forums are in fact "dictatorships", operated by individuals, or groups who will tolerate your presence as long as they have to - but they don't have to, nor do they have to make any changes to policy to suit your own personal preferences.  For the latter, you rent some hosting, buy a domain and do your own thing - with yourself established as dictator.

Free software projects are very similar, in that those who write the code and/or pay the bills, get to be involved in the decision making - users are "along for the ride" and get to use the results for free.  That's how pretty much all free software works.

Anyway... without a post edit/revision history feature (a la vBulletin), I think it's reasonable to establish a time limit, but I really don't see the case for any secrecy.  I would also second the suggestion of removal of the delete button altogether.

24 hours seems the most reasonable amount of time for edits.  It will greatly reduce the kind of impact from a disgruntled member "vandalisng" things, but without restricting members from making reasonable edits.

In my opinion, it is better to state it clearly - and not base any policy on theoretical trolls "gaming" the system.  I would add that any policy based on trolls, or "countermeasures", which are aimed at troublemakers, but which affect and perhaps alienate the majority of ordinary/decent forums users are not good policies.

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#152 Re: Off-topic » New here - presentation! » 2020-07-15 22:34:28

Danielsan wrote:

This kind of corporate mentality will never fit into the free software...

Wrong it fits perfectly.

Danielsan wrote:

Anyway sysv stinks hence I am thinking to use OpenRC...

Brilliant technical analysis...  Poettering et al don't have to break into a sweat, where such useful idiots abound.

#153 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-06-26 06:09:07

steve_v wrote:
LU344928 wrote:

Perhaps I'm missing something but if you don't opt in to those schemes then it seems to me there's not a lot of difference to Firefox etc.

Indeed. AFAICT it's nothing more exciting than YACB (Yet Another Chromium Build). So why all the yammering about it, like it's the hottest new thing?

Because the primary target is average Joe and they readily suck up marketing and empty promises. Even with Firefox, the target is windows/android/apple. Linux and bsd's are tiny and unimportant . It's  all about consumers rather than users.

Iridium turned to be much the same. Despite all the claims, the safe browsing spyware is on by default.

If you want a "private browser", that's something you have to configure and/Or find for yourself. Relying on snake oil salesmen with an ulterior motive, is unwise.

#154 Re: News & Announcements » Bound to happen ... » 2020-06-18 10:21:57

Dutch_Master wrote:

Torvalds is NOT paid by corporations, he's not on their payrolls. He's employed by a foundation and although they get donations from various corporations, that doesn't mean it'll do their bidding. For starters, Linus is too independently minded. Remember the finger he gave to nVidia? Then there's the "threat" (for want of a better word) of forking the kernel to keep such a patch out and thus non-systemd distro's alive. And IIRC Linus brought the entire kernel code (or at least his contributions, which are the core of the matter) under the GPLv3, which has a lot more restrictions on claiming IP for it by 3rd parties.

No, I'm not worried about Torvalds getting his arm up corporate bums. He's a geek and coder, not a career-technologist smile

Technically you're quite correct, but in the real world those paying for everything are always assumed to have ultimate control.

Not so long ago, Linux Foundation was writing about it's love of MS (one of the biggest) donors - and you have corporate reps sitting on the LF board of directors, etc.

While he's "independently minded" he also had to tone down his behaviour and introduce a CoC.

The kernel is GPL2. Torvalds alone can't change that and it's mostly developers on the payroll of the large companies who contribute to Linux signing off most commits these days.

#155 Re: Off-topic » HyperbolaBSD Roadmap relevance to Devuan » 2020-05-24 15:39:43

bimon wrote:

What do you think about following OpenBSD criticism?

https://web.archive.org/web/20200509022 … enbsd.html

Many have agendas and usually those who blog about how crap or deficient something is or how another OS somehow got their first when it comes to security features sporting catchy acronyms, all while remaining mostly anonymous, they usually fall into that category.  They have picked apart a single facet of a project/product, focusing only on that, igoring all other aspects - only to suit a very specific agenda.  They write blogs - criticising others' work, instead of patches...

#156 Re: News & Announcements » Bound to happen ... » 2020-04-07 18:22:05

yeti wrote:

I just wrote some lines elsewhere about backdoors and dataleaks in phone apps and that I think that 99.674352% of the users care more about having always the newest and flashy toys than for their privacy and security.

Those are the "consumers"...  there was a time when "Linux" was aimed at a different kind of user and indeed worked on by a different kind of hacker, rather than a "developer" on the payroll of some fortune 500 corporation.

yeti wrote:

Systemd is for this type of users.
And they are many.

Windows is for that type of user and systemd is merely following the same path of adding more and more feature creep, complexity and attack surface, with zero regard for the things they simply don't care about and which don't fit the business ambitions of IBM/Red Hat.  As with gnome project, as far as systemd project is concerned, users are there as guinea pigs and to be spoonfed, restricted and steered - users in fact have sown the seeds of their own destruction over the last two decades, by simply accepting crap and "automagic" solutions from those who cater to laziness and ineptitude.  If someone is making it easy for you and the OS is "free", start questioning it.

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