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#126 Re: Other Issues » Ceres AMD64 unable to install wine32 » 2023-07-27 16:04:40

hunter0one wrote:

I migrated from Bookworm which is newer than Chimaera so I would only have the option of Daedulus or Ceres. Testing doesn't get security updates in a timely manner and it doesn't seem Daedulus will become stable soon (despite Bookworm already being here) so I went with Ceres.

Neither Testing nor Unstable get security updates in a timely manner, but using Unstable is worse than using Testing:

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/ch10.en.html#id-1.11.2.5 wrote:

10.1.3. Avoid using the unstable branch
Unless you want to dedicate time to patch packages yourself when a vulnerability arises, you should not use Debian's unstable branch for production-level systems. The main reason for this is that there are no security updates for unstable.
The fact is that some security issues might appear in unstable and not in the stable distribution. This is due to new functionality constantly being added to the applications provided there, as well as new applications being included which might not yet have been thoroughly tested.

At least with Testing, packages have probably had 2-10 days of testing - with Unstable they haven't even had that.

If security matters, your options are:
* use Devuan Stable (Chimaera).
* put up with Debian Stable (Bookworm) until Daedalus is ready.
* learn the necessary skills to manually patch vulnerabilities yourself along with regularly monitoring the status of all software you have installed so that you can apply patches in a timely manner.

That last one involves a lot of time and effort, and is not recommended.

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I already unheld the one held package and tried it again, it runs into the same issue.

If the issue is the same than the solution is the same.

Apt is stating that the dependency requirements cannot be met and identifies the two packages which cannot be installed.

There are two possibilities: it's on the remote repositories side of things or it's down to changes on your machine.

If it's the former, you can only wait for those responsible to resolve it.
If it's the latter, you need to identify what you have changed to cause the situation.

#127 Re: Other Issues » Ceres AMD64 unable to install wine32 » 2023-07-27 13:49:34

You're running Ceres - the unstable development version.

One should not be using unstable developer tools if they are not willing+able to debug simple package dependency issues.

Since the two problem packages do currently exist in ceres repository, it's possible the error message is correct - that this was a local issue caused by held packages - but it's also possible it was a temporary issue caused by the fact that Ceres is an unstable development version.

#128 Re: Other Issues » new daedalus install show warnings in apt for non-free-firmware » 2023-07-27 13:30:18

No part of your post conveyed itself as being advice to others, and a block of unrelated warnings and an unrelated sources.list just adds noise and the potential for confusion.

If you wanted to help such people, a simple sentence saying "p.s. non-free-firmware is new to Daedalus and shouldn't be added to Chimaera" could achieve that more directly and successfully.

(Although why anyone would arbitrarily follow a suggestion given to someone else, when not experiencing the same described issue, is beyond my comprehension.)

#129 Re: Other Issues » new daedalus install show warnings in apt for non-free-firmware » 2023-07-26 22:16:38

alexkemp wrote:

Adding 'non-free-firmware' gives continuous errors in Chimaera

Which isn't a surprise, because there is no separate non-free-firmware repo in Chimaera.

This thread is about Daedalus, not Chimaera.

#130 Re: Off-topic » Debian: Anatomy of An Open Source Project » 2023-07-16 17:01:20

Finally finished watching it.

39 minute talk, then 45 minutes of questions.

Interesting video. Need time to properly digest / formulate my thoughts.

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Ian's response on mobile (1:14:02 to 1:15:12) was odd - whilst 2006-7 was before Apple/Google entered the picture, it was certainly after the emergence of mobile phones as pocket computers.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070425155108/http://www.internetnews.com/wireless/article.php/3584431 wrote:

February 10, 2006
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Symbian held a 51 percent market share at the end of 2005, down from 56 percent in 2004. Linux came in second at 23 percent, which was double its 2004 share of 11.3 percent. Microsoft came in third upping its 2004 market share of 12.6 percent to 17 percent.

#131 Re: Devuan » Some Newbie Questions about Devuan on Desktop » 2023-07-15 12:22:11

Ah ok, so it has some of the packages but not all of them - cockpit-system is the dashboard/frontend (basically a bunch of HTML/JS).

The cockpit package is the top-level package, and it's blocked in Devuan because it depends on cockpit-ws which depends on systemd:

cockpit
    cockpit-bridge
    cockpit-system
    cockpit-ws
        systemd

The cockpit-ws package contains login/authentication code, so even with the backend server (cockpit-bridge) and the UI, it presumably wont work without that.

#132 Re: Devuan » Some Newbie Questions about Devuan on Desktop » 2023-07-14 15:58:55

tylerdurden wrote:

2. cockpit is available from the repositories with apt-get but I don't use it.

What specific command are you running and what output are you receiving?

Cockpit is a Red Hat project, and thus has been deeply entangled with systemd, and is not available in Daedalus repos:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cockpit

#133 Re: Devuan » Some Newbie Questions about Devuan on Desktop » 2023-07-12 13:12:14

Worth adding that one can search for any package at https://pkginfo.devuan.org to confirm which repos it exists in.

If there are Devuan-specific patches then the version string will include "devuan" (suffixed by a number, and possibly prefixed by "+" or "-" or "~"), and also the "Filename" field on info page will start with "pool/DEVUAN/" instead of "pool/DEBIAN/".

To discover what the changes are, goto https://git.devuan.org/explore/repos and search for the package name.

#134 Re: Devuan » Some Newbie Questions about Devuan on Desktop » 2023-07-11 12:19:59

Morty wrote:

"dnscrypt-proxy is on the banned packages list"

No it isn't. The text file can be a bit confusing to read:

https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt wrote:

dnscrypt-proxy.[d1src:dnscrypt-proxy]...............................................|..........4........................................

As per the key at the start of the file, that 4 indicates "4 = beowulf-security", and the lack of any other numbers/letters to the right of the "|" means that's the only repo it's blacklisted from.

Presumably there was a previous issue that is now resolved; it's not banned for current stable Chimaera, nor for upcoming-but-not-yet-released Daedalus.

#135 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] is cron daemon crond is running when there is no cronjob set ? » 2023-07-09 21:11:27

Neither appending an end-of-line anchor nor doing a second negative grep are guaranteed "lossless" solutions - they both have potential to exclude valid lines. (Might not be very likely with the latter, but is still possible.)

Wrapping one of the characters in a character class will never exclude anything except the specific unwanted grep line, and is only two extra key presses.

And again, an even better solution is to ensure procps is installed, and use pgrep, which never includes itself in its output and defaults to just the pid; if one needs the extra detail ps provides, ps u $(pgrep cron) will do that.

#136 Re: Off-topic » Debian: Anatomy of An Open Source Project » 2023-07-08 14:01:23

And the following basic information should be required posting when anyone shares a video link:

Duration: 1h 24m
Channel: Microsoft Research
Shared: September 7, 2016
Description: The Debian Project is widely considered one of the most successful and influential open source projects in the world: over 1,000 volunteer programmers are currently involved in Debian development, and the formative document of the Open Source movement itself, the Open Source Definition, was originally a Debian position statement.  In this talk, Ian will discuss the origins of Debian, paying particular attention to the importance of community and our use of an open development model.  Ian will also provide an eyewitness account of the rise of Linux and open source beyond the Debian project, discuss its impact on the economic landscape, and explain why it doesn't have to be a threat to Microsoft and its business model.

It's a talk by Ian Murdock (founder of Debian), recorded between 2006 and 2007.

Appears suitable for audio consumption (no slides/etc), but because I don't have a spare 84 minutes right now, I haven't confirmed that.

#137 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] is cron daemon crond is running when there is no cronjob set ? » 2023-07-06 15:06:25

On the unasked adjacent question, the common solution to grep appearing in ps|grep output is to alter the pattern so it doesn't match itself, e.g. ps aux | grep 'cro[n]'

Another solution is pgrep.

#138 Re: Installation » post install: cdrom error - .iso image as a primary apt source » 2023-06-26 15:56:21

kur-ka wrote:

PS.What does non-free-firmware add? Anything described in these proposals?

Firmware is hardware drivers. Some hardware requires non-free firmware in order to function, but Debian is a Free Software only distro.

Previously, Debian had three repos - main, contrib, non-free, and every Debian installer came in "official" and "unofficial" versions, the latter including the non-free repo so that non-free firmware could be installed when hardware required it.

The non-free repo didn't contain just firmware, but also other software, and whilst some people require the non-free firmware for their computer to function, they still do not want to install other non-free software; having both firmware and software in the same repo was not ideal.

So now there's a fourth repo, non-free-firmware, which contains just the non-free firmware and which is now part of the official installers, removing the need for the "unofficial" installers. (It is still possible to block the installation of non-free firmware for those that wish to do so.)

The linked General Resolution is how the Debian project decided on the above course of action.

#139 Re: Devuan » Devuan 5 Daedalus Release (Debian 12 - Bookworm) | Looking for info » 2023-06-11 15:17:49

eyeV wrote:

Can you provide information about the release date of the new version of Devuan?

That information would be at the same place it always is, https://www.devuan.org/os/releases:

testing is where the next stable suite is developed. Software is usually more up-to-date but there may still be issues. testing becomes stable “when it is ready”.

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Camtaf wrote:

Usually seems to be a few weeks after Debian, things have to be checked carefully before Devuan will put up the new release.

Where do you get "Usually" and "few weeks" from?

With Bullseye/Chimaera it took two months, which is the fastest it has been (presumably due to continued automation of previously manual tasks).

Assuming the effort required is equivalent between Bullseye and Bookworm, is there a reason to expect Daedalus before August?

Of course, it's also possible there's extra complexity that pushes things back further - I would assume the splitting of non-free and non-free-firmware, or the usr-merge stuff, both have potential to create extra work for the Devuan team which may mean things end up taking longer.

#141 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Chromium Upgrade: 3 Packages have been Kept Back » 2023-06-04 14:12:46

soren wrote:

I find it odd that stable wants to install chromium 114 as im on unstable and its still only at 113?

Unstable (Ceres/Sid) is on 114 too, it's Testing (Daedalus/Bookworm) that is on 113.

Stable (Chimaera/Bullseye) is on 112, except there's a 114 in the Stable security repo - but not for the locale package.

This can be seen at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/chromium and https://pkginfo.devuan.org/chromium-l10n

Since Chromium is not a Devuan-specific package, this is not a Devuan issue.

Specific versions can be seen in Debian's tracker, as can the fact that v114 entered stable-security yesterday:
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/chromium

The page also mentions a bug in the chromium-l10n package, which is about this issue:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1037087

In other words, it seems for whatever reason only 5 of the 6 binary packages have been built/deployed - once the Debian Maintainer for Chromium sees the issue they will presumably rectify that.

#142 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] File "recently-used.xbel" » 2023-06-02 22:22:47

chris2be8 wrote:

You might be able to stop this by making .local/share/ owned by root. But this would break anything else trying to create a file in .local/share/

AppArmor is supposed to be able to limit file permissions on a per-executable basis, but first need to figure out what the offending application is.

inotifywait can be used to confirm when files are created/modified, which may help track down the cause.

#143 Re: Devuan » /bin vs /usr/bin » 2023-06-01 12:43:21

Danielsan wrote:

what is the main difference between /bin and /usr/bin

The reason they exist is described here: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busy … 74114.html

Attempts to rationalise it are described here: https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FH … index.html

FHS wrote:

3.4. /bin : Essential user command binaries (for use by all users)
/bin contains commands that may be used by both the system administrator and by users, but which are required when no other filesystems are mounted (e.g. in single user mode). It may also contain commands which are used indirectly by scripts
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3.16. /sbin : System binaries
Utilities used for system administration (and other root-only commands) are stored in /sbin, /usr/sbin, and /usr/local/sbin. /sbin contains binaries essential for booting, restoring, recovering, and/or repairing the system in addition to the binaries in /bin. Programs executed after /usr is known to be mounted (when there are no problems) are generally placed into /usr/sbin. Locally-installed system administration programs should be placed into /usr/local/sbin.
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4.4. /usr/bin : Most user commands
This is the primary directory of executable commands on the system.
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4.10. /usr/sbin : Non-essential standard system binaries
This directory contains any non-essential binaries used exclusively by the system administrator. System administration programs that are required for system repair, system recovery, mounting /usr, or other essential functions must be placed in /sbin instead.

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Danielsan wrote:

and what do you think about this last Debian decision?

Sounds like they've deferred the merge because they're continuing to have problems one small part of the process.

edit: updated after reading https://lwn.net/Articles/932158/#CommAnchor932182

smcv wrote:

One specific action that is mostly internal to Debian, which some developers wanted to push ahead with after the bookworm release, has been paused.

On a merged-/usr system (which will include all Debian 12 and Debian 13 systems, both new installations and upgrades), both /bin/cat and /usr/bin/cat exist, but dpkg is only aware of one of those paths (/bin/cat in this case); in dpkg jargon, the other is said to be an alias. The specific action that should not proceed until further notice is: swapping the path that dpkg considers to be canonical, for example from /bin/cat to /usr/bin/cat.

Here's a summary from a year ago: https://lwn.net/Articles/890219/

#144 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-05-11 12:49:37

Why does Mastodon require JS to view a piece of text? Thought it was supposed to be better than Twitter. :/

Anyhow, Seems appending /embed allows a non-JS version: //mastodon.social/@pid_eins/110272799283345055/embed

27 Apr 2023 21:03, Lennart Poettering wrote:

Here's a fun new feature we are working on in systemd: userspace-only reboot. In order to reduce grey-out times on image-based OS updates to next to nothing we are making a reboot happen where kernel stays as it is, but userspace shuts down as usual, then possibly transitions into a new rootfs, and starts up again with an initial transaction as it would on a classic system boot. During the transition selected services can pass along their fds and listening sockets, to pass "live" resources

#145 Re: Installation » Searching package xtables-addons-dkms » 2023-04-28 13:29:12

Why do you say "there is nothing for Chimaera"? That is demonstrably not true - Chimaera has the exact same version as the current Debian Stable release. (Likewise, the version for Devuan Testing is the same as for Debian Testing, and same with Devuan Unstable and Debian Unstable.)

https://packages.debian.org/xtables-addons-dkms
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xtables-addons-dkms

The package is not modified by Devuan, so (unless you can demonstrate a Devuan-specific bug) it's not a Devuan issue and you need to report that to the Debian; any fixes there will filter through to Devuan.

If you need a newer version in Chimaera, and you're not willing to build it yourself, then you need to find/convince a volunteer to backport it to Debian Bullseye, and again the backported version will filter through to Devuan.

#146 Re: Installation » Add repositoy to daedalus? » 2023-04-26 15:31:13

The error refers to a "Publication" file, which I've never heard of, and neither have any search results.

The text "It cannot be updated from such a repository in a secure way and is therefore disabled by default." also differs from the standard wording.

Are you translating this text? Don't do that. Instead prefix the command with LANGUAGE=en to have Apt output in the specified language (English), and then provide the exact verbatim command and output.

If you haven't yet got a terminal that allows you to copy text, you can do, e.g:
LANGUAGE=en apt-get update |& tee ~/output_of_apt_update.txt

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Anyway, it looks like there might be an issue with Devuan here - not for non-free, but for non-free-firmware:
curl -isS http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/daedalus/Release | grep Release

There are no "Release" files under "non-free-firmware" directories, despite every other section having them...

Edit: Having checked the repository format specification, the "dists/$DIST/$COMP/binary-$ARCH/Release" files are legacy/no longer used (since ~2017), so this is a red herring.

#147 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » unknown files "xyz.db" » 2023-04-25 13:36:13

Visual Studio is a development environment (IDE) - wouldn't surprise me if it can open it, but hopefully there will be simpler options.

It might be that, either instead or in addition to mounting it as fsmithred suggests, you need one of the tools listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COM_Struc … mentations

Seems plausible that it's relating to Microsoft Teams crashing and writing everything in memory to disk, or something like that.

Another thing you could look for is if there are other files on disk with similar modification times. (Or if you still have any log files from back then, grep those to see if there's any relevant messages.)

For example, find can identify files modified within 5 minutes either side, like so:

find START_PATH -newermt '2020-07-06 17:21' -not -newermt '2020-07-06 17:31'

Replace START_PATH with a suitable directory, e.g. /home/user and maybe also try with switching -newermt to -newerct (or -newerat), as per -newerXY in find docs.

#148 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » unknown files "xyz.db" » 2023-04-24 20:57:35

Well there we go - there's a March 2021 date in addition to the July 2020 date - maybe that sheds more light.

Otherwise, putting "Composite Document File V2 Document" into a search engine reveals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_File_Binary_Format wrote:

Compound File Binary Format (CFBF), also called Compound File, Compound Document format,[1] or Composite Document File V2[2] (CDF), is a compound document file format for storing numerous files and streams within a single file on a disk. CFBF is developed by Microsoft and is an implementation of Microsoft COM Structured Storage.[3][4][5]

Microsoft has opened the format for use by others and it is now used in a variety of programs...

So it's Microsoft's version of a TAR file, and could potentially contain anything.

Briefly looking at other results suggest it may be meaningful data but might also just be a temp file.

#149 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » unknown files "xyz.db" » 2023-04-24 16:21:34

roluan17 wrote:

>what does `file xyz.db` say? creation date?

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4294967295 Jul  6  2020

Entering file xyz.db will not give that output!

It looks like ls -l output (with filename removed), and ls doesn't give a file's creation date - it gives mtime (modification) but can be requested to give atime (access) or ctime (file status change).

Running stat xyz.db will give all three times precisely - along with a value for file creation called "birth" if the filesystem supports it - likely mtime and ctime are the same, but if they differ then this may indicate if/when the file was copied to that system from elsewhere.

#150 Re: Devuan » When is the new Devuan release? » 2023-04-22 21:29:43

See the recent thread "I hate asking this question... but Daedalus release?".

Since Debian/Devuan only uses LTS kernels, there will be no release using non-LTS 6.0, but if all you're after is the kernel then 6.1 is in chimaera-backports repo.

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