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#101 Re: Installation » Devuan fstrim just like in debian » 2023-09-16 19:17:59

Of course. Devuan is intended to do everything Debian does, except systemd-related stuff.

If you've identified a situation where that isn't the case, you need to provide details.

#102 Re: Other Issues » PySolFC missing from repos » 2023-09-16 19:15:49

Camtaf wrote:

I hope someone will manage to restore it to the repos in due course.

Hoping wont make it happen any quicker.

On the other hand, a polite nudge to the relevant Debian maintainer - asking if the changes made were sufficient, or if there is still more to do - may well have a positive impact.

#103 Re: Other Issues » PySolFC missing from repos » 2023-09-16 12:52:41

Since there's no systemd involved, this is not a Devuan issue.

The answers for why packages are removed from Debian repos can be found via the Debian package tracker via //tracker.debian.org/PACKAGE_NAME

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pysolfc wrote:

Migration status for pysolfc (- to 2.6.4-3): BLOCKED: Rejected/violates migration policy/introduces a regression
Issues preventing migration:
∙ ∙ Updating pysolfc would introduce bugs in testing: #1008708, #1039723

The root issue seems to involve a potential license violation which was since clarified so maybe someone interested needs to prod the relevant Debian maintainer to see if the latest version can be restored.

#104 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Testing & Ceres » 2023-09-14 13:45:44

jue-gen, you quoted my entire post (despite it being the immediately preceding message), but didn't actually respond to any of it...?

You haven't said why you want to do this. ("I did it with Debian" is not a reason.)

Testing and Unstable (whether Sid or Ceres) are not an upgrade, they are development tools for those helping to test potential future versions of packages - i.e. software that has yet to be verified as stable and secure.

If one actually wants to help test, great. Or as a learning tool (as above), fine. Other reasons for running Unstable are probably the result of a misunderstanding and would be better served by running something else, but what else depends on the specific reason(s) for running it.

Anyone with good reason to run Devuan Testing or Devuan Unstable should have an understanding of the mechanism through which Debian becomes Devuan. Anyone who understands that process would also understand the potential additional issues involved, and wouldn't need to ask about differences between Sid and Ceres. (Put another way, to know the differences, learn how Devuan works.)

#105 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Testing & Ceres » 2023-09-14 12:25:52

jue-gen wrote:

Now I am itching to try testing or even Ceres.

What does that even mean? What exactly do you want to try?

Testing and Unstable are developer tools, for those that wish to assist with finding and fixing bugs.

They are explicitly not a released distro and frequently do not get timely security updates.

Do NOT install Testing or Unstable:
1) on any system you cannot afford to have out of action;
AND
2) if you are not willing to diagnose and report issues via the appropriate bug trackers.

If one has an obsession with shiny things and no desire to help develop/test, use a distro like Artix Linux instead, otherwise stick to a supported stable release, and use Backports if one needs specific newer firmware/software for whatever reason.

#106 Re: DIY » Question, about dd and/or qemu, for disk cloning » 2023-09-14 12:09:17

Heh, I don't recall encountering zerofree before - I wonder if that might have been the missing step that stopped some of my attempts from working.

#107 Re: DIY » Question, about dd and/or qemu, for disk cloning » 2023-09-13 22:18:25

Yeah, like if you had this situation:

$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1        50G   20G   30G  40% /
/dev/sda2       450G   80G  270G  18% /home

You'd want a single 100GB sparse file, which still retains the 500GB capacity.

#108 Re: DIY » Question, about dd and/or qemu, for disk cloning » 2023-09-13 16:11:49

zapper wrote:

Anyone know how to copy an entire hard drive onto a qcow2 image but with only the space being used as being counted?

No, but I have spent a significant amount of time trying various solutions that didn't work, before eventually giving up and converting each partition to its own file, with qemu-image convert.

#109 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Connection to localhost:631 » 2023-09-08 16:25:50

So you have a bad config file, which is likely why the service fails to start.

cupsd.conf should not be a binary file - what is telling you that it is? (The error log say there are unknown directives, which suggest it is not binary, but maybe for a different version.)

Try checking file /etc/cups/*cupsd* to see if you have a backup that reports as "ASCII text" - if so, you could try diff to see if it can identify a problem, and/or rename the current bad file and copy the backup file into its place.

#110 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Connection to localhost:631 » 2023-09-08 14:15:26

rolfie wrote:

my up to date FF-ESR tells me no connection to https://localhost:631.

Browsers frequently hide real errors, and complicate things with caches and cookies; usually better to diagnose things directly.

What does curl -Iv localhost:631 say?

Check with ss -ltnp sport 631 (as sudo/root) whether the server is running?

Anything relevant in the logs - i.e: tail /var/log/cups/*_log ?

#111 Re: Documentation » [SOLVED] Action when power button is pressed » 2023-09-08 13:58:04

You posted this in "Documentation" section, which is intended as "How-tos and Tips & Tricks contributed by Devuan users", but didn't give details.

It may help others to be explicit about which of the various settings within logind.conf solved the problem?

#112 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » installing a theme from the official devuan package repository » 2023-09-07 16:26:48

stopAI wrote:
Charon795 wrote:

I write this command but it gives me an error:
bash: .themes: command not found
what should I do?

Hello.

Please, check, maybe this dir (.themes) already exist.

Nope, it's because they exactly copied what was written in the other thread $mkdir .themes

Since there is no variable "mkdir" it evaluated to empty string, and thus was removed, leaving ".themes" which Bash tried to execute as a command, and since there isn't such a command, it displayed "command not found".

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Open a terminal and type

ls -a

If this dir does not exist, create this dir with command:

$ mkdir .themes

...

The command is mkdir .themes - no dollar - just like you didn't put a dollar for the ls -a command.

Yes, the dollar is the prompt - experienced users know that, but new users don't - so it should be explicitly pointed out, or not used - personally, I'll only include a prompt when displaying both input and output. When offering advice for a specific command to run, it's less confusing to not use it. (Especially when one forgets the space and doesn't spot it whilst proofreading. Or writes one command with it and one without.)

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Charon795:
It's a good practice to always verify what a command does before you enter it. Putting "man $mkdir" into a search engine would have clarified that the correct command is "mkdir" and explained what it does. The best source for Devuan is Debian man pages //manpages.debian.org

A dollar at the start of a command is usually the shell prompt (and thus not intended to be typed), but elsewhere in a command it can be a shell variable, and those can significantly change what a command does.

Something else worth pointing out - when a file or directory name starts with a "." it is considered "hidden" and not always displayed. This is why the need for ls -a instead of just ls. If you use a graphical file manager, it will have an option to toggle hidden resources on/off, which you would want to do if managing this folder with such a tool.

Also, if you prefer to reduce the number of files/directories directly in your home, you might prefer to use .local/share/themes instead of .themes

#114 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 15:22:28

golinux wrote:

Someone just sent me this: https://transfer.sh/Lr44QJPhCW/powered_by_devuan.png

Would look better to get the text off of the swoosh and jammed in the corner. I'd line it up to the RH side. Would be much more balanced.

I guess since I didn't specify a font it varies based on whatever the system's default might be - on the system I tested that the +0+6 meant there was enough space, but obviously other fonts need different numbers.

I'm happy to experiment with some fancier variant(s) with colours/borders/shadows/etc and see what people think - is the swoosh with dots emblem from that page still valid?

#115 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 00:56:10

Adding text to an image is easy enough...

curl -LO https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/raw/branch/master/art/graphics/devuan-logo-1000x200.png

convert devuan-logo-1000x200.png \
   -gravity south -extent 1000x280 \
   -gravity northwest -pointsize 72 -annotate +0+6 'Powered by' \
   -scale 20% \
   powered_by_devuan.png

If convert doesn't exist, try gm convert or convert-im6 and if those also fail, they can be obtained from either GraphicsMagick or ImageMagick.

(Or just use the regular image inside a HTML div with some basic CSS styling.)

#116 Re: Installation » Daedalus upgrade corrupts » 2023-08-18 12:48:08

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

@marma-lade, the next time you upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0, remember to add the new section named non-free-firmware which was added in Debian for some reason, and thus is added the same in Devuan.

That section is in addition to the "old" non-free in Devuan 5.0 and probably onwards; it doesn't exist for versions 4.0 and newer. It is a new repository section that appears to contain all firmware that previously were in non-free.

Why are you saying "for some reason", "appears to", etc?

Debian made a clear and definite decision to move non-free firmware into its own non-free-firmware section, so it can be used in the installer, and removes the need for enabling the non-free section for everyone that only enables it for the firmware.

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware wrote:

For Debian 12 onwards, all the packaged non-free firmware binaries that Debian can distribute have been moved to a new component in the Debian archive, called non-free-firmware. If you're upgrading from an older release of Debian and you need these firmware binaries, you should update the apt sources.list on your system to use this new component. If you only had the non-free component enabled on your system to allow you to install firmware, you can safely remove that now.

i.e. Unless one explicitly needs the non-free section, they can replace it with non-free-firmware.

#117 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 14:16:53

golinux wrote:

... also this page...

The relevant information on that page is hidden under the "Access via Tor" heading - it should be more prominent (would be good to have a link to an more-detailed explanation so people that don't know what it is can get information on how to determine if its required).

Given this is new to Daedalus, there should also be a specific note under "Devuan 5.0 Daedalus (stable)" section - along the lines of "if you currently have non-free, you should add the new non-free-firmware before upgrading".

#118 Re: Off-topic » make desktop looks like windows 11 » 2023-08-17 12:50:36

There are several Windows-styled themes at https://b00merang-project.github.io/windows - though their Windows 11 one is "coming soon".

The Windows 10 one is supported on:

Any GTK-based desktop
Cinnamon
Gnome
LXDE/Openbox
MATE
Xfce

Installation appears to be download a zip file and extract to a folder (though of course one should still check there are no unexpected files in such an archive).

#119 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan Ceres - X not starting at kernel 6.4 + 340.108 driver » 2023-08-16 21:55:51

deepforest wrote:

After upgrade Devuan to 6.4 kernel
and install driver from here(usual it works good)
https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/ … a-patcher/

https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2020/inttf-nvidia-patcher/ wrote:

inttf NVIDIA 340.xx, 390.xx, 470.xx Patcher for Kernel 6.3/6.2/5.19/5.14/5.13 [BASH Script]

So you've run a random patch script for specific kernel versions against a kernel version it does not support, and are surprised that it doesn't work?

What makes you think this is in any way Devuan related? Have you tested against an equal Debian version and found it worked there?

#120 Re: News & Announcements » Daedalus is stable » 2023-08-15 13:34:50

The release announcement URL is //www.devuan.org/os/announce/daedalus-release-announce-2023-08-14

Devuan Daedalus 5.0 stable release

Dear Friends and Software Freedom Lovers,

It is with great pleasure that the Devuan Developers hereby announce the release of Devuan Daedalus 5.0 as the project's newest stable release. This is the result of lots of painstaking work by the team and extensive testing by the wider Devuan community.

What's new in Daedalus 5.0?

    Based on Debian Bookworm (version 12) with Linux kernel 6.1
    Rootless startx uses libseat1
    Wayland GUI without elogind

...

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Also, I don't see a message on Devuan Announce mailing list - if I didn't visit the forums regularly, I'd have subscribed to that list hoping to get notified...

#121 Re: Installation » Newer hardware, don't install Chimaera, install Daedalus. » 2023-08-10 13:04:56

My default advice remains: install the current Stable.

For newer hardware, one can use backports to get more recent kernel/firmware. (See backports.debian.org for details.)

If hardware is still too new, one should ask themselves why they're running an OS designed for stability and yet purchasing hardware that is too new to have been proven as reliable, and consider if something like Artix is a better companion for such hardware.

How to know if hardware is too new? Check on linux-hardware.org to see what OSes other people are running on it, and/or consult the relevant kernel changelogs.

#123 Re: Installation » IPMIUTIL install error » 2023-07-31 13:32:32

I know nothing about IPMI, but putting the "Cannot open..." error message into a search engine suggests it might be related to missing kernel modules.

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Dutch_Master wrote:

Running Devuan Stable (I don't use release names anymore, this way I'm always on the Stable branch)

deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged stable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged stable main non-free contrib

That is against the recommendations:

https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList wrote:

Avoid using stable in your sources.list as that results in nasty surprises and broken systems when the next release is made; upgrading to a new release should be a deliberate, careful action and editing a file once every two years is not a burden.

#124 Re: Devuan » Send all network traffic through Tor on Devuan » 2023-07-28 20:11:09

Ooops, sorry, I thought I'd seen a 2022 release mentioned but not sure where that was, and it does seem to have gone quiet. Since it appears to be a Dyne project, and (I think) there are Dyne people involved in Devuan, perhaps someone can confirm the status?

It might be worthwhile reaching out to Tails and Whonix projects to ask them directly whether they actually need systemd, or if there are build instructions that could be applied against a Devuan base.

#125 Re: Devuan » Send all network traffic through Tor on Devuan » 2023-07-28 14:42:48

Both Whonix and Tails are Debian-based, not Devuan-based, and thus use systemd.

There is Heads, which is Devuan-based and Tails-like. (It is not simply Tails with a different base OS; there are other changes too.)

I don't recall seeing any Devuan-based Whonix equivalents.

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