Don't ask me how I know. I just do.

So it is indeed very normal for your system to have two dbus-daemons start up when you execute a startx?

if I remember correctly, the exclamation point should be enclosed with a left arrow, exclamation point, two dashes...followed by what is intended to be commented out...then closed with two dashes and a right arrow; such as...

<! -- put-some-stuff-here -->

Perhaps the exclamation point is causing jwm to have a nervous-jerkdown, because it's looking for the other characters but not seeing them?

artchad_777 wrote:

installed a minimalist window manager, status bar and terminal emulator with for r in dwm dmenu st; do git clone git://git.suckless.org/$r; cd $r; make; make install; cd ..; done

Why? All of those are provided by packages from the repository. Building your own is only needed if you want to change the default configuration, which you have not done.

artchad_777 wrote:

Why is dbus-x11 installed on my machine, if the official devuan website claims that it's a banned package?

Because you can't read. The dbus-x11 package is only banned in ASCII.

artchad_777 wrote:

The second thing I've noticed on this "minimalist" distro, is the presence of a /run directory.
As far as I'm informed, this /run directory is something that P*ttering (RedHat) introduced with SystemD.

No. The /run directory is listed in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. See also hier(7).

EDIT: and the spelling is "systemd", all lower case. FFS mad

artchad_777 wrote:

Where did these files come from?

Do your own legwork: https://wiki.debian.orgWhereIsIt#A.22I_ … g_to.3F.22

artchad_777 wrote:

Well, that's not what I call "minimalist".

Debian is not, and never has been, minimalist. Devuan inherits this quality.

If you want minimal try OpenBSD or 9front.

artchad_777 wrote:

I don't need Xorg to depend on dbus.
I don't need firefox or IceCat to communicate with other Software through dbus.

You should speak to the upstream developers then.

artchad_777 wrote:

I don't need a pulseaudio server running in the background, if ALSA works just fine for my purposes.

Remove it then. Or stop it from starting. There is a thread about that on these very boards.

artchad_777 wrote:

I don't need policykit to act as an "authority" if Linux groups and permissions are sufficient for all my needs.

Remove it then. Or just don't start any authentication agents. If you're running dwm then it won't work unless you specifically configure it.

artchad_777 wrote:

I don't need a /run directory which contains crazy files with occult permissions, which I can't understand.

No but lots of applications use /run and they won't work unless it is present.

And remember: just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense.

artchad_777 wrote:

I don't need or want any software that came out of the Red Hat Project

Then why are you using X? Red Hat have been maintaining that almost exclusively for a very long time and only recently stopped.

Here's the announcement from the Red Hat employee who was in charge: https://ajaxnwnk.blogspot.com/2020/10/o … erver.html

First of all, thanks for taking the time to read and to reply to my post.
I really appreciate it.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Because you can't read. The dbus-x11 package is only banned in ASCII.

I didn't notice that the numbers indicate the releases. I'll give my best to examine such things more closely in the future.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

No. The /run directory is listed in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. See also hier(7).

I knew that it's part of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard the Linux foundation has published.
But it is indeed not easy to understand the intricacies of this directory. (At least not for me.)
If it really wasn't introduced through the SystemD effort, then the following arctile does lie.
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/ … 19006.html [broken link, sorry]

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Do your own legwork:  https://wiki.debian.orgWhereIsIt#A.22I_ … g_to.3F.22

Thanks for the link.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Debian is not, and never has been, minimalist. Devuan inherits this quality.

The text in https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/ uses the word "minimalist" two times.
I guess either the goal of minimalism is very hard to achieve in current day GNU+Linux or I have a different definition for "minimalism"

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

If you want minimal try OpenBSD or 9front.

I really love OpenBSD. I would use it for everything if my graphics tablet just worked on it...
I didn't know 9front.
Although I heard many good things about Plan9.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

You should speak to the upstream developers then.

I guess that means it's the default on Devuan as well.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Remove it then. Or stop it from starting. There is a thread about that on these very boards.

Yeah, it's trivial to remove.
I just mentioned it, in case it wasn't supposed to be part of the install.
A DIGEST file would be great. But I guess it's hard to create something like that if there are so many optional packages you can install.
I guess dpkg -S should be used for verifying a file has a reason to be there.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Remove it then. Or just don't start any authentication agents. If you're running dwm then it won't work unless you specifically configure it.

Good to know.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

And remember: just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense.

I wouldn't ever dare to claim that something does make any sense.
I said it "contains crazy files with occult permissions", which I stand by.
It contains all kinds of special files.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Then why are you using X? Red Hat have been maintaining that almost exclusively for a very long time and only recently stopped.

Same reason I'll be using dbus-x11 from now on apparently. Ahahahaha
Because I'm not a professional C developer and don't know how to get rid of it or how to replace it.

I never get pulseaudio with my minimal installs.   Like this...

apt --no-install-recommends install <package>

artchad_777 wrote:

The text in https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/ uses the word "minimalist" two times.

Yeah, they wish

artchad_777 wrote:

I have a different definition for "minimalism"

^ This.

artchad_777 wrote:

I just mentioned it, in case it wasn't supposed to be part of the install.

If PulseAudio were not installed then everybody using a laptop with HDMI outputs (which is all of them these days) would have to manually configure ALSA to select the correct default card and coping with multiple audio streams would be similarly messy. You might not like PA but it is in fact very useful.

artchad_777 wrote:

Because I'm not a professional C developer and don't know how to get rid of it or how to replace it.

Try Wayland. It's awesome.

artchad_777 wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm the original OP of this thread.
I unfortunately lost access to many technologies, because I saved all my sensitive information within an encrypted KeePassX file on an encrypted HDD.
That HDD fell on the floor and was damaged, which made it impossible for me to recover the files due to a broken read/write head. (I've learned that digital data is fragile.)

Reminders of this absurd reality have become part of daily existence yet we continue to assume that such a thing as "security" or "permanence" can be obtained.  Philosophically, this conundrum has stumped philosophers for millennia.  Practically, it is the result of an increasingly weaponized communication system created by imperfect being with nefarious motives. You can never be secure no matter how much "garbage" of protection you burden yourself with.  Just surrender to the chaos and absurdity of it all and be happy smelling roses and hope to breathe relatively unpolluted air . . .

I'm slowly starting to accept that reality.
But it hurts. Getting rid of that illusion hurts.
I want to believe that there is such a things as privacy and security on the internet. I really want to believe that...

sad doggo [broken link]
(I don't know how to make images appear in a posts.

This is not "new" news. Eben Moglen saw it coming a decade ago  while we were still fast asleep. The game is already pretty much over but there is still a lot of money being made trying to convince us it's not.

So I guess, all the help I received from that Head_on_a_Stick lad is gone now.

Now bind the directories

How do I find out, what old hardware means?
How can I test if OpenGl4.4 will run?