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#1126 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-29 02:46:57
darry1966 wrote:Congrats Miyo,
Perseverance gets you there, and you persevered - nice work.:)
Thank you darry1966.
fungus wrote:Not the final version, I am sure you will find more things to tweek.
Congratulations as well.
Did you (miyo and all miyo users) by any chance see this comment?
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4733#p4733
I hit two cops with one stone (I'd never hit a bird).Thanks fungus.
No sir, I had missed that post. Thanks for working with that.
Now we have two ways to fix it...
As I mentioned a few weeks ago when the conky subject was brought up...I don't use a conky, so I'd never noticed the issue. What I found was that if I changed the "own_window_type" from normal to override, it would allow me to click on the conky and get the menu. I meant to post about it, but it slipped my mind.
I had never noticed the Minimize Windows issue either...again, I never use Minimize Windows. LOL! I just went all crazy-n-such and tried the conky again, and it doesn't disappear when using Minimize Windows with the override setting.
Boy...I'm living on the edge tonight...turned on my conky and used Minimize Windows! I'm a wild man!
All machines aren't created equal...apparently. The "override" setting works perfectly on my old HP dx5150...doesn't work worth a flip on my Toshiba laptop. 
#1127 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-29 02:43:54
It's there in backports. You have to tell it to install linux-base when you tell it to install the kernel. Use
'apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-base linux-image-4.9-whatever'
That worked like a charm. Now that I think about it, I'm thinking that I was confusing things a bit. I had done so many upgrades from jessie to ascii to ceres, I think I was thinking about those kernel upgrades rather than a kernel upgrade in jessie from backports.
Focus miyo...focus. LOLOL!
#1128 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-28 21:54:35
MiyoLinux wrote:greenjeans wrote:Currently on second day of trying to upload new maximal, got two 45 minute fails yesterday, one local and one from the SF server, so fingers crossed I may have a new version up in an hour or so.
How do you upload greenjeans? Rsync or SourceForge's uploader? I never could get an .iso uploaded with their uploader, but rsync never has failed me.
Just the http uploader, haven't tried rsync or ftp, it usually works on the second try if not first, but about half the time it runs through the whole thing almost and then gives that server exit 0 message.
You're a luckier man than me! LOL! Anytime I tried it with an .iso, it would go kersplunkadoodle every time. What was frustrating was like you said, getting it a...l...m...o...s...t completed, and then it going whap-a-pooey. I tried uploading my very first .iso that way...tried 4 times one night, and it never would finish uploading.
rsync has never failed though.
I will send you a private message on the Refracta forum.
#1129 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-27 01:51:16
Congrats Miyo,
Perseverance gets you there, and you persevered - nice work.:)
Thank you darry1966.
Not the final version, I am sure you will find more things to tweek.
Congratulations as well.
Did you (miyo and all miyo users) by any chance see this comment?
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4733#p4733
I hit two cops with one stone (I'd never hit a bird).
Thanks fungus.
No sir, I had missed that post. Thanks for working with that. Now we have two ways to fix it...
As I mentioned a few weeks ago when the conky subject was brought up...I don't use a conky, so I'd never noticed the issue. What I found was that if I changed the "own_window_type" from normal to override, it would allow me to click on the conky and get the menu. I meant to post about it, but it slipped my mind.
I had never noticed the Minimize Windows issue either...again, I never use Minimize Windows. LOL! I just went all crazy-n-such and tried the conky again, and it doesn't disappear when using Minimize Windows with the override setting.
Boy...I'm living on the edge tonight...turned on my conky and used Minimize Windows! I'm a wild man!
#1130 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-26 18:32:04
Okay. The new releases of Miyo-XTRA are now available. I've addressed the issues that I had found in the original release of XTRA (except for adding "some" applications to Plank...which actually can be added). As a result, I've also added a few "XTRA" tools to hopefully make things somewhat easier and more enjoyable for users...
With Miyo-XTRA, you get...
Tools...
1. Sound Mixer (Alsa Mixer)
2. Customize Look of Root Account
3. Open PCManFM as Root
4. "On the fly" controls for...
Conky
Compton
Touchpads on laptops
Please note: the items in #4 above are also available for users in the Autostart file; therefore, they can have those preferences enabled/disabled at system start-up. However, being able to change them "on the fly" is certainly a bonus at times. 
You also get the Panel Switcher, which consists of...
1. Tint2
2. LXPanel
3 Xfce4 Panel
4. Plank
I almost added perlpanel, but I feared it would be a little confusing to some users. It's a neat panel, but it requires a bit of user configuration. You might want to check it out if the bug ever bites you...
The XTRA wallpapers are included too...
1. The corrected version of Dev1 Colors (purple background with MiyoLinux in green)
2. Dev1 Purpy Colors2 (purple background with MiyoLinux in dark purple)
Both are available for download in the Wallpapers folder on the Sourceforge site.
Keep in mind that Miyo is still Miyo...a basic and minimum system for you to build what you want in order to make it your own. I've gone completely whack-a-doodle and made some things easier...which goes against my original premise of Miyo. LOLOLOL! My original premise was to provide a minimal and base system that worked out of the box...but would still require users to put in a little bit of effort in order to make it suit their needs. Now I've gone all soft and made things a liitle bit easier.
Please read ALL of the notes provided with Miyo...and save them in case you need to reference them again.
ALSO, PLEASE BE AWARE...if you want a system that uses less resources, you can easily disable PCManFM's control of the desktop in the Autostart file. Disabling PCManFM's control over the desktop will save you about +/- 30 MBs of RAM at system start-up. Instructions are included in the Release Notes. This applies to both the original version of the 2017 release and the XTRA version.
If anyone tries it, I hope it serves you well.
#1131 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-26 18:11:17
greenjeans wrote:MiyoLinux wrote:Kernel 4.9 is available via the Backports repository.
Negative unfortunately, I can't get it to install anymore, it's asking for a newer version of linux-base which is not available in backports or jessie main.
It's there in backports. You have to tell it to install linux-base when you tell it to install the kernel. Use
'apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-base linux-image-4.9-whatever'
Thanks fsr. I'll try that later. I finally got it installed after much hacking, smacking, and whacking...LOL! However, I lost wifi afterwards. I won't give what I did to install it. LOLOLOL!
As a side-note: The Miyo-XTRA releases are again available...with all previous issues addressed.
#1132 Re: DIY » dual-kernel Devuan » 2017-08-25 23:50:26
Me too. Up until three days ago (I think), adding a newer kernel from backports was a piece of cake. I tried installing it a couple of days ago, and hit the same issue. After much finagling, I eventually got it installed, but lost wifi afterward. Wasn't interested in trying to figure it out after that...
#1133 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-25 23:42:35
Currently on second day of trying to upload new maximal, got two 45 minute fails yesterday, one local and one from the SF server, so fingers crossed I may have a new version up in an hour or so.
How do you upload greenjeans? Rsync or SourceForge's uploader? I never could get an .iso uploaded with their uploader, but rsync never has failed me.
#1134 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-25 00:31:33
I haven't explored the latest Vuu-do yet, but...
1. If gksu is installed
...and...
2. If lxappearance is installed
Open the Run command (or terminal) and enter
gksu lxappearanceYou can then set the theme and icons used in the root account.
#1135 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-24 18:36:50
fungus wrote:One thing I wanted to ask the creator was about the i386 arch being included. How do we turn it off and what was the logic of including it?
dpkg --remove-architecture i386
I include i386 architecture in 64 bit builds as a courtesy to users. There are still some 32 bit applications that a user may want to install, and rather than having a user possibly get flustered trying to figure out what to do in order to install a 32 bit application, I'd rather it just work for them. I remember all too well the frustrations I went through when I was first learning Linux...
As you found, it can easily be removed if it's not wanted or needed.
Congratulations greenjeans! Looks great my friend!
#1136 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-23 13:01:52
Hello, I usually cannot run live CDs on my computer but yours works. I have no network connection though.
Which kernel version is being used? My computer may be too recent.
This is good work by the way: no need to configure dynamic menus or icons, it is not installed with 1000 softwares, exactly what I am looking for.
MSI GP62 6QE-806XFR
Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165
Hi HextorBRX. Thank you. Miyo comes with the stock 3.16 kernel. Kernel 4.9 is available via the Backports repository.
As a small safety measure, I made Miyo so that it doesn't automatically connect to the internet. That can be changed by the user in the UI of wicd.
To connect the first time, a user will have to click the wicd network manager's icon on the panel and choose their connection...whether it's a wired connection or wireless. I can't say with certainty, but the newer kernel may be needed for your Killer E2400.
Edited to add: If Miyo worked live, you might also want to try greenjean's Vuu-do. He has an Openbox version and Mate version.
#1137 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-23 01:24:49
Thanks fungus. I finally found a command that forces it to show new items in the menu. I had tried using...
update-menus...but that didn't do squat.
If I can't figure out why some items aren't showing right away, I'll add the command that I found as an addition to the LXPanel section of the Panel Switcher. At least that's a quick option if needed.
Here's the command if anyone happened to download and install XTRA before I pulled it from Sourceforge...just run this command with the Run command or terminal...
lxpanelctl restart...and it will populate the LXPanel's menu. It has worked each time I've tried it.
#1138 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-22 17:21:13
I don't know...it has a mind of its own. Some applications show immediately in its menu, some show after a reboot, and some won't show until installing another application with Synaptic. It's got me bumfuzzled.
#1139 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-22 03:51:37
Both 32 bit and 64 bit rebuilds of XTRA are working well...except for that pesky LXPanel menu deal. Can't figure it out, and I've searched and searched for a solution. I have someone who will be testing it soon, so hopefully they may have a solution. It's not a deal breaker, but it would be nice to figure it out.
I also "fixed" the dev1-colors wallpaper and added an extra one with only purpy dev1 colors. I'll also upload those to Sourceforge if anyone is interested. The original dev1-colors wallpaper was slightly off-center horizontally. That has been rectified along with a second dev1-colors wallpaper. I'll try to get those uploaded to Sourceforge tomorrow (August 22, 1017).
#1140 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-20 12:40:34
I have experimented with Devuan, but wanted something a little... more desktoppy in nature, and so threw Miyo on my netbook last night. So far so good. I enabled jessie-backports for a 4.9 kernel and LibreOffice 5.
Miyo may oust BunsenLabs on the other laptop in the house.
Hi bigbenaugust. Thank you for giving MiyoLinux a try...and for the nice words.
#1141 Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-19 19:42:19
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August 19, 2017
I have temporarily removed the downloads of Miyo-XTRA from Sourceforge. After discovering a few issues that I missed during the testing of XTRA, I've decided to rebuild it.
The initial re-build of the 32 bit version is working well...and the 64 bit version is soon to follow.
I hope to have downloads available by August 26, 2017 (if not sooner). My apologies to anyone who may have downloaded the original version(s) of Miyo-XTRA. I do have fixes and/or "work-arounds" for the issues on the MiyoLinux Sourceforge Wiki for those who have downloaded and installed it.
#1142 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-19 18:18:00
The first I realized as being strange is that dpkg was not working with obmenu-generator
Then gdebi could not install, then something else and it went all down hill from there.
I'm a bit confused and don't mean anything negative, but what exactly did you do? Did you build your own system, upgraded the base system from Jessie to Ascii to Ceres...and then try to install obmenu-generator? The reason I'm asking is because Gdebi worked fine for me in Ceres when I reinstalled the obmenu-generator .deb package (I didn't try using dpkg from the terminal). If that's the case, perhaps try installing Gdebi (and any other pertinent packages/applications) while still in Jessie, then upgrade.
I just did my first test build of 32 bit XTRA with compiling Plank from source, and I was rather pleased (and surprised) that the .iso was less than 10 MBs larger.
#1143 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-19 13:28:09
I think something you have changed on Miyo is meeting ceres (Debian sid) in a very bad time.
I am making this assumption because my one installation on metal is old miyo that evolved to ascii.
The newer pre-xtra miyo disliked ceres very much. It just fell apart. I think part of this is using
synaptic which used dist-upgrade on every upgrade. I suspect the settings from Devuan affect
plain apt while synaptic is falling on Debian architecture plan. I can't explain the vast difference
between apt upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade on a straight devuan-ceres installation. So I am
being very careful and selective what I allow to be upgraded.Meanwhile Artix is "unbelievable" ... but did I already say this today? Not in a competitve way
but just admiration of something a few weeks old to be that capable. They even made a cript
for runit to run as a supervisor/parallel of openrc/sysvinit, a bit redundant but a security
measure for stability. It still boots up like a bullet and gets me wifi connected on console which
I have had a terrible time in deb/vuan.
Hmmm...off the top of my head, I can't think of anything that different. The base is still the same as the previous version. Yes, I did "add" a few things...the keyboard switcher, number lock, and allowing pcmanfm to control the desktop...and I adjusted the menu a bit, but other than that, it's the same...built the same following the same procedure. The only other difference that I can think of is that the Installer is a newer version, but I don't see how that could affect anything.
When I toyed around with Sid, I installed apt-listbugs. If I remember correctly, that would stop any dist-upgrade from installing anything with bug reports, and I would have to either tell it not to upgrade those "bug" packages and install the rest, install those packages anyway, or just call off the dist-upgrade and wait a few days and try again...but it's done through the terminal...not sure if apt-listbugs works in Synaptic. I haven't checked whether apt-listbugs is available in Devuan or not.
Later today, I will install the 2016 version of Miyo and run it through the upgrades from Jessie to Ascii to Ceres. It went flawlessly a few weeks ago, so I'm interested to see what will happen to it now since the newer versions of Miyo get stupified on Ceres.
As for the XTRA version...I'm thinking of pulling it off Sourceforge and rebuilding it. When I went with Plank, I was faced with two choices...compile it from source or get it from Ascii. Compiling from source would pull in a lot of extra packages; thus, making the .iso larger. So, I went with getting it from Ascii. That was a mistake. I just finished compiling Plank from source on the regular Miyo, and though it pulled in those extra packages, it didn't affect the buttons on Synaptic. I think the trade-off in .iso size is worth it. Live and learn...
#1144 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-19 11:22:26
MiyoMaestro, please read this BEFORE you upgrade to ceres.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4573#p4573Now it makes sense. I thought that all three repositories were monitored and reviewed by the DevuanDev team. They are not, they are just copies of the Debian repositories, with minor changes in ascii. Between ascii and ceres there is a whole Debian release missing, specifically Buster. It would be like going from Devuan jessie to Debian Sid
LOL! I was getting on here to give my "assumptions" regarding upgrading to Ceres...because I had already done it.
A few weeks ago, when I upgraded the old Miyo from Jessie to Ascii to Ceres, everything worked fine...aside from having to reinstall obmenu-generator with each upgrade. This time, it upgraded to Ascii fine...but not so good with Ceres. As far as I can tell, everything appears to be working on Ceres; however, the icons in the openbox menu are hit and miss. So my assumption was that something has changed in Ceres within the last few weeks...which isn't surprising.
While I like playing around with unstable, I'm not willing to use it as a daily driver. I'd much rather be able to fire up my computer and know that everything is going to work rather than having the latest software but not knowing what's going to accost me when I try to use it. LOLOLOL!
Now...it's time to reinstall Miyo.
#1145 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-18 17:38:14
Edited the "MiyoLinux Menu Fix" thread to reflect this change for users who have upgraded from Jessie to Ascii...now to edit the Sourceforge wiki. LOL!
#1146 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-18 17:22:56
Been there, done that.
Mmmmm............... iyo
What's that? -f installs? LOL!
First test...upgraded Miyo-XTRA to Ascii. Went fine, but I had to do the steps to regain the right-click menu that I gave for Vuu-do (except I had the obmenu-generator .deb package already available in the latest Miyo)...and THE BUTTONS ARE BACK IN SYNAPTIC.
Will play around with this for awhile, then upgrade to Ceres. First inclination is that everything appears to be working great.
#1147 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-18 16:02:34
Crack!
I was considering making an Ascii and possibly Ceres versions of Miyo. What's weird is, when I've upgraded the previous versions of Miyo to Ascii and Ceres, I didn't notice any problems with buttons or themes.
Might still be on the table...just don't know if I want to put something out there that will possibly require users to do a lot of
-f install...just to get up and running.
Might try upgrading Miyo-XTRA to Ascii/Ceres just to see what happens...'cause I like doing stuff like that. LOL!
#1148 Re: Documentation » Install eudev in ascii » 2017-08-18 13:36:41
lxde is still around and will still be around for awhile. It has not been abandoned. I either read that somewhere or was told that by one of the devs or maintainers for lxde in irc.
They are also saying that it hasn't been abandoned on the LXDE forums...
#1149 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-18 13:32:30
MiyoLinux wrote:1. The menu of the LXPanel doesn't populate applications installed after installation of the system (the openbox menu and Xfce panel's menu does).
It works ok here. If I install a package, it's in the lxpanel menu immediately. I checked this on a couple systems to make sure. It worked on one phat (refracta) and one skinny (openbox sans dbus/consolekit/polkit). Main reason I use lxpanel in my openbox builds is because I don't have to do anything to it.
Thanks fsr. I'm not sure what the deal was. Before I switched to the LXPanel, I had installed several things with the terminal while still having tint2 as the panel. When I switched panels, the Xfce panel showed them, but not LXPanel. For some reason, installing an application with Synaptic or Gdebi Package Installer caused everything to show in the LXPanel's menu. Not sure why.
Speaking of Synaptic. I also see that for some reason (in Miyo-XTRA), the buttons aren't showing in Synaptic..you know...Apply, Mark all upgrades, Search, etc. The buttons are there, because you can hover your mouse over the area where they're supposed to be, and tool tips will show up. You can press the "unseen" button, and it works. However, a user can use the "Edit" option in the tool bar at the top of the screen to perform all of the same functions as the buttons.
I'm thinking that it may be somehow related to me sneaking into Ascii to get Plank. Several libs were also upgraded when I installed Plank...wondering if that caused the situation with Synaptic somehow? I don't know.
I'm trying to address any issues with Miyo-XTRA in the Sourceforge wiki; they are listed as...
Miyo-XTRA: the-name-of-whatever
So far, I've found four issues that escaped me during my testing... ...for which I give fixes (or ways around) for.
Miyo-XTRA: Can't add some applications to Plank
Miyo-XTRA: Gufw doesn't show in all panel's menus
Miyo-XTRA: LXPanel Menu doesn't populate applications
Miyo-XTRA: No buttons show in Synaptic
#1150 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-17 21:42:11
you are king openboxer
how d'ya get lxpanel without the rest of the desktop? Did you manually delete the rest of the stuff and left lxpanel and dependencies?
I bet the same questions applies about xfcepanelOn the last miyo 64 on pcmanfm the list of partitions DO come up on the left column, which I haven't been able to get done on my ascii or ceres
Devuan openbox. If I log into lxde they work.
But the list is there but even with complete sudo rights none can be mounted.
Now even on lxde if I run sudo pcmanfm the list does not come up but if the user has mounted them then root has access in the /media/user/** mounted volumes.
I know I had asked before and I am still researching this problem.
eudev is now on all my installations but the problem pre-existed, it is not related.
All the necessary gvfs tools are installed.
I don't know fungus, I just throw it out there and it works.
I do my normal Openbox stuff to build Miyo. Then for this latest built to add the extra panels, I just did...
apt-get install lxpanel...and bam!
Funny thing about Xfce4 panel...I install a couple of Xfce apps in Miyo, and I would add the --no-install-recommends to them so that they wouldn't pull in the Xfce4 panel. So, since I wanted it added, I just ran...
apt-get install xfce4-panelHad to get Plank from Ascii.
I build from the ground up, so without really knowing your method, I may not be much help. I start with a base Devuan system with no desktop from a netinstall (remove the checkmarks when you get to the part of the installation where you choose a desktop). After the installation finishes, you'll reboot into a CLI. Then basically, the first three commands that I run in the cli are (well I do run a few other commands first, but these are the three that I use to start building Miyo)...
1. apt-get install lightdm
2. apt-get install openbox
3. apt-get install pcmanfm
I let those three pull in whatever they want to pull in...and everything works for me.
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