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#1051 Re: Off-topic » April fools in August » 2022-08-19 12:57:22

aitor wrote:

is hk the person giving this conference?
Get your decentralized project some EU funding

@aitor . . . it appears so. "hellekin (how)" is a sig he uses. In fact, on the "Team" page of the website his description is:

Hellekin O’Wolf :: editor, webmaster and book sprinter

I have lost track of what he is working on.

#1052 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » which tool for changing WLAN access » 2022-08-18 22:52:03

aitor wrote:

Yes. Although I used setnet in devuan jessie, I didn't mention it because I can't remember whether it depended on ifupdown. On the other hand, I can't find the packages in chimaera.

IIRC it was never in the repos. Only in Katolaz' workspace.

#1053 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » which tool for changing WLAN access » 2022-08-18 21:45:14

There is also KatolaZ' setnet which I understand works quite well too.

#1054 Re: Other Issues » Problem with Firejail and Chromium » 2022-08-17 21:55:33

I can't use chromium in firejail either. Google has sabotaged disabling of certain "features". One of the best minds on the Devuan team, hasn't found a way to do it either. Perhaps someone else has the magic incantation . . .

#1055 Re: Other Issues » Problem with Firejail and Chromium » 2022-08-17 20:12:49

Google +1. User privacy 0. This shouldn't come as a surprise . . .

#1056 Re: Off-topic » April fools in August » 2022-08-17 19:14:13

We knew it as the "Purpy Book".  big_smile

#1057 Re: Off-topic » April fools in August » 2022-08-17 17:25:13

Camtaf wrote:

Sorry......I never click on a random link. big_smile

Me either. But I had already seen it posted on irc.

It is a post on twitter from pid_eins

Check out logs for #devuan on our libera irc channel for discussion of the history.

#1058 Re: Off-topic » April fools in August » 2022-08-17 17:21:03

This explains the object to which pid_eins refers.

#1059 Re: Installation » Avoiding systemd » 2022-08-16 18:08:37

Probably . . . I'm not seeing it in the package list

That being said . . . you might possibly find other systemd files present in Devuan. This post explains why.

#1060 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-12 04:07:34

Thanks for posting again. Chances of migration success are best with a vanilla install. I think there is something to that effect in the notes. (Too tired to check atm.)

See you tomorrow.

#1061 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-11 23:36:26

auanta wrote:
golinux wrote:

@auanta . . . perhaps you would like to collect all the little fixes you are discovering and publish them in md on our git? Or the forum?

I'll put them in git! smile

Great! Would be very useful for those who are just arriving. All the info is documented *somewhere* but having it in one place would be quite handy!

#1062 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-11 22:23:17

@auanta . . . perhaps you would like to collect all the little fixes you are discovering and publish them in md on our git? Or the forum?

#1063 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-09 19:14:31

This is a post-lock addition to hopefully clarify some of the confused assumptions above . . .

Let's start with the first iteration of devuan.org in the current layout that Hellekin and I put together for our first public release of Devuan Jessie 1.0 Beta. Hopefully, it will put the issues brought up above into historical perspective. Have a look here:

http://web.archive.org/web/201606041517 … evuan.org/

At that time I didn't even know what git was! I was entirely concerned with the content, colors and layout of the site. Hellekin dealt with the technical complexities of making it happen. It was quite a partnership! You can see that all the navigation links were dumped on the index page. Also note that dev1fanboy's docs were in a format detached from the website proper and sourced from his git repo. This is the historical reason that remains of dev1fanboy's "wiki" are present in the documentation section. It was not some over-arching structural decision for the www workflow which has ALWAYS been from www BETA to LIVE or MASTER or whatever it was called at the time.

When Hellekin moved on, I took over www and eventually all public-facing web content went through me, even dev1fanboy's and fsmithred's and the docs that rrq and I crafted for the install disk(s). I had a LOT of catching up to do but eventually managed to gain enough git pointy-clicky proficiency to accomplish all the public-facing upgrades to ascii and beowulf documentation as needed.

I also redesigned the site over the years to have a proper nav bar and trimmed content down to the minimal needed. Mostly it consisted of rearranging/compacting/rewriting and eliminating redundancies of information already available. Please do take a tour on web.archive.org to see how the site morphed over the years.

Then I just burned out - partly due to age; partly due to the enormous workload - and Xenguy stepped up to take over www beginning with Chimaera (though I still provided the matching default colors).

I should have thought to write this brief history of www earlier but now that the issue came up, I finally mustered the focus to put things into historical perspective. I do hope that it helps to clarify how we got to where we are.

Any questions? Start a new thread.

#1064 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-08 13:56:57

Reminder: This is a technical forum. Not group therapy.

#1065 Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-08 00:56:36

golinux
Replies: 21

Recent user feedback prompted some revisions to the Migrate from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera page on devuan.org.

In addition to classic, hands-on manual instructions there are now 2 more prominently highlighted scripts to partially automate the process.

Please review, test if possible and provide constructive feedback if warranted.

Not included on the revised www page but worth a mention here for those who use ansible is jaromil's debian-to-devuan-ansible-role.yaml for the non-interactive migration of Debian 11 "Bullseye" to Devuan 4 "Chimaera".

#1067 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 23:00:44

Dutch_Master wrote:

There's always the wayback archive wink

I fixed it.  It was missing the final "l" in the html.  Might have been just htm at the time. I fixed aitor's link and it works now. Takes me back almost 10 years when the debate was raging . . .

#1068 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 22:55:24

Yes, that was it but sadly, that link died years ago. sad  It was reposted on a site but I can't remember the name atm. It might no longer exist . . .

#1069 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 20:03:07

GNUser wrote:

I bumped into this the other day and found it to be the best and most level-headed criticism of systemd I've yet seen:
http://landley.net/notes-2014.html#23-04-2014
It's worth reading.

There were other excellent critiques written at the time. I remember one by Jude Nelson in particular but it all fell on deaf ears. The Debian GR vote put the nail in the coffin of init diversity in Debian. For those of you who weren't here to  live through it, the following analyses are "required reading":

Combatting revisionist history by dasein on the Debian forum
Open letter to the Linux World by Christoper Barry on the LKML.

#1070 Re: Installation » [Solved] desktop and minimal live isos not booting on usb » 2022-08-05 19:45:03

Happy to hear you're up and running and that you think it is "beautiful". The screen resolution stuff may have to do with the fact that the minimal live was designed for visually impaired access. Yeah, hardware can bite sometimes.  smile

#1071 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 15:49:11

I think this topic has run its course . . . smile

#1072 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 15:06:52

tomasz wrote:
golinux wrote:

@tomasz . . .  What we choose with each intentional action sets the course of our life. Easy to shoot oneself in the foot so best to choose wisely . . .

Hard to disagree. But the filter situation also means that if I have something to share with you, it will be published on Debian's Salsa.

Some things are not meant to be . . . smile

#1073 Re: Other Issues » How to boot the minimal-live from USB? » 2022-08-05 14:20:36

auanta wrote:
golinux wrote:

It might boot UEFI though.  wink

couldn't resist . . .

I don't get it . . .

I was poking at your typo.

#1074 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 14:14:25

@tomasz . . .  What we choose with each intentional action sets the course of our life. Easy to shoot oneself in the foot so best to choose wisely . . .

#1075 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 03:36:07

@auanta . . . Have you actually looked at the website? The Explore page in the navbar lists all the documentation included in the website and some links point to resources elsewhere.

There is also a lot of practical documentation on this very forum as well as the DNG mail list.

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