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#976 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Genuine question regarding devuan, » 2021-02-18 12:12:05

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

I'm pretty sure elogind works just fine with Xfce because that's what the live ISO image uses.

Please post my requested terminal output.

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Okay, here it is:

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#977 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Genuine question regarding devuan, » 2021-02-17 17:44:42

MLEvD wrote:

In LMDE, this is done by the 'debian-system-adjustments' package. Perhaps just borrow it?

I would like to be able to assign ctrl+alt+del to reboot, ctrl+alt+u to shut down immediately, and just be able to type it in a terminal without sudo.

Hmm, is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

On my devuan laptop I am too lazy to install lumina-desktop, although maybe I should... heh.

#978 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Why I have to have a desktop and hope I am wrong. » 2021-02-17 17:41:23

MLEvD wrote:
zapper wrote:

Moc works for me, just use by command mocp

and you get a cli interface.

Do you have a very fast machine? Perhaps your gaps are very small but I assure you, they are there!

Haven't noticed much issues, and mocp works on both my hyperbola gnu/linux install and if it works on that, it will work well on my devuan laptop too.  Because the hyperbola one is on a x200, the devuan one is on an x230, and x230 is like twice as fast. 

Both have some version of coreboot on them/me disabled.

Tell me, what do those gaps feel like to you? I am curious.

Just to make sure, If you like, I can always test on my thinkpad x230.  But first I need to know what I am testing for. ;o

Also, is your comp a 2nd gen intel, 3rd gen intel, arm, etc?

Don't know your specs to know how slow your comp is or how fast it is.

Your call though.

#979 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Why I have to have a desktop and hope I am wrong. » 2021-02-16 23:58:09

Moc works for me, just use by command mocp

and you get a cli interface.

#980 Re: Devuan » The future of 32bit and Devuan? » 2021-02-16 23:54:03

MLEvD wrote:
FOSSuser wrote:

I also have an Atom (64bit) based computer that has a 32bit bus, so needs a 32bit system, a bit annoying, but as it only has 1 or 2GB ram, it doesn't require a 64bit system.

x101 are great. I have one in the corner busy compressing my 4GB  eee pc backup images. Going to try installing efi devuan on it. Actually, I have two :3

This thread died 3+ years ago, congrats.

On a serious note, I do hope 32 bit sticks around on some devices for a while for those who need it.

#981 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Genuine question regarding devuan, » 2021-02-16 23:50:55

rolfie wrote:

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

On the laptop I mentioned, yes. And I installed fresh and... also, I was using xfce4 and went to the option to shutdown from the menu panel mark X.

So, is this something I can disable? It isn't exactly sane or helpful. heh...

elogind sounds like it has some problems then...

#982 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release » 2021-02-16 12:03:05

Dutch_Master wrote:

Does it include a patch package to undo the horrible change in su behaviour introduced in the 3.0 release?

What change is that?

Is su, more messed up then before?

#983 Desktop and Multimedia » Genuine question regarding devuan, » 2021-02-16 11:59:51

zapper
Replies: 13

I am curious, why do I need to type in my password when I am logged in just to shut down my computer?

Even gaggle android doesn't have that madness. Although, really, you should be able to shutdown your laptop or desktop regardless of if your logged in or not.

Is this devuan's fault, probably unlikely though... or is this debian's fault, or is it something else?

My guess is its a debian issue. 

This issue is extremely annoying to me. It smells like megalomaniac type behavior, where we know what's best for you.

sad

Thoughts?

small edit, you should be able to shut down your laptop or desktop without a password regardless of if your logged in.

#984 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Solved] On-line video viewing problem with Palemoon » 2021-02-14 15:32:06

dice wrote:
zapper wrote:

Edit, i found another solution, this worked with basilisk-browser, just run it this way:

if you using a tarball, try, firejail  ./basilisk-bin

firejail  /home/youruser/basilisk/basilisk-bin

change it however you like to the location of your web browser directory.

In your case, it would be

firejail palemoon-bin

Not working for palemoon tarball.

it wants me to create a profile but when i do this appears. Im using the GTK3 tarball, perhaps i should try the GTK2 version.

Profile couldn’t be created. Probably the chosen folder isn’t writable.
[Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520015 (NS_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_DENIED) [nsIToolkitProfileService.createProfile]"  nsresult: "0x80520015 (NS_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_DENIED)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://mozapps/content/profile/createProfileWizard.js :: onFinish :: line 191"  data: no]

anyhow this is getting truly off topic for this thread. If the mods could be kind enough to split this off in their spare time. Maybe title it firejailing palemoon web browser.

Why not make a new thread then?  Incidently, that error is odd, Let me see if I can get it working on beowulf devuan.

That is odd, it works on my devuan beowulf... hmm. the gtk3 one. Which devuan you using?

#985 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Solved] On-line video viewing problem with Palemoon » 2021-02-14 00:23:59

Edit, i found another solution, this worked with basilisk-browser, just run it this way:

if you using a tarball, try, firejail  ./basilisk-bin

firejail  /home/youruser/basilisk/basilisk-bin

change it however you like to the location of your web browser directory.

In your case, it would be

firejail palemoon-bin

#986 Re: Installation » More video streaming issues with Palemoon 29.0.1 » 2021-02-09 21:17:46

Altoid wrote:

Hello:

I'm having more problems with video feeds in Pale Moon 29.0.1 (64-bit).

Trying to see this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/?noredir … 2880468724

...  I get this:

---
We’re sorry. Your browser does not support live video streaming.
Please try a different browser.
---

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

A.

I can hear it, do you have any addons blocking the video?   

Works for me even with my adblocker running.

#987 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-02-05 18:05:45

Ah, so people who get better support are those who pay...

That makes sense

#988 Re: Other Issues » Is VirtualBox (or alternative) in the repo? » 2021-02-05 18:03:56

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) -cdrom (name of image, i.e., gnuinos.iso) -boot d name-of.img

To start the image after install do:

sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048)  name-of.img

Why are you running QEMU with sudo? That's not a good idea — security for virtualised systems isn't the best and elevating the privileges will only make the situation worse.

Whoops, your right, good eye, I forgot myself that isn't a good idea.

#989 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Solved] On-line video viewing problem with Palemoon » 2021-02-05 11:20:24

Ron wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Perhaps you should ask on the PaleMoon forums. Be warned that the developers are complete arseholes though.

Why doesn't it surprise me that you of all who responded on this thread says that?

As someone who supports palemoon, yes they can be on certain issues, such as "piracy" which isn't really a word to be used in modern times because pirates killed people and took everything from people...

and sometimes they can be rough around the edges too.

That being said,  I prefer them over firefox developers and mozilla.  They at least have some purpose and aren't in it for greedy reasons like mozilla and firefox devs.

Also, I wonder if firefox is on its way out... they been firing devs more and more lately... hmm

Whatever happens though, I hope they get rid of rust trademark restrictions.

#990 Re: Off-topic » A peek into the future of distros » 2021-02-05 11:16:37

Danielsan wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The kernel has been completely pwned by the corporations: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/about/board/

Haiku is looking really good these days...

Haiku is pretty good but lacks GPU acceleration yet, they tried with a GSOC program to get closer but the student missed the goal... It looks like also the guy behind the Haiku kernel has been employed by Gugl to work over the Phucsia kernel...

Scary... so he is working with google or as some call it gaggle...

#991 Re: Other Issues » Is VirtualBox (or alternative) in the repo? » 2021-02-05 11:15:15

swarfendor437 wrote:

I've had an issue with Aqemu in that I am not doing something correct i.e., thinking I had created an installed 'drive' when it starts in live mode again (image). However I found VirtManager (Virtual Machine Manager to give it it's full title) great at importing my VB .vhd into quemu using the qcow2 converter. It is so much nicer not to have to press the right Ctrl key to free the mouse back to the desktop - the mouse can easily move from a VM to the desktop. (I do have 2 monitors I hasten to add!)

If you want to know how to use qemu to install virtual machines, there is a thread where someone helped me with that...

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4128#p4128

That is how I do it... wink

"This is what I do:

qemu-img create -f qcow2 name-of.img 100g

In the directory where you made your image put your iso and:

sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) -cdrom (name of image, i.e., gnuinos.iso) -boot d name-of.img

To start the image after install do:

sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048)  name-of.img

HTH"

#992 Re: Documentation » Panel entries for browsers that a distribution does not support » 2021-02-05 11:12:51

dice wrote:

You would better off letting basilisk/palemoon have there own directories imo instead of the Download folder.

Palemoon has a nice guide where you can softlink icons, .desktop files and binaries in the correct areas.

https://linux.palemoon.org/help/installation/

Basilisk might be different though, i believe palemoon is a derivative of basilisk ?

Palemoon is based originally on firefox 38 ESR

Basilisk is based on firefox esr 52

Just a heads up.

#993 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2021-02-05 11:11:01

PedroReina wrote:
zapper wrote:

trinity desktop looks better visually then kde or gnome in my opinion...

I don't argue about personal tastes, buy I think that we have to take into account that any of them are highly themable.

Well to be honest, my favorite DE is Lumina Desktop.

And my favorite overall desktop whether it be window manager or desktop environment...

i3-wm tongue

I like the fact its lightweight, easy to modify keybindings, etc...

And it has a status bar and it focuses on minimalism in general. But not too minimalistic... like dwm.

heh...

#994 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-02-04 12:21:09

mckaygerhard wrote:
zapper wrote:

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

Okay, now I am curious of your sources... can you show me evidence of such? I thought ELTS costs money for all people.

you already learned to read ... and I already gave the wiki pages where the info comes out ... I must do your homework? .... well is clear you are missing something

Oh... I didn't see the wiki link, my bad...

EDIT: Seems you might be right, although, its a bit unclear...

On the debian page, it seems to agree with you, but one of their links says otherwise...

Still, I don't see much point in ELTS, if it only focuses on a few packages...

#995 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2021-02-04 12:18:23

mckaygerhard wrote:
zapper wrote:

KDE is based on qt5 and past,

Trinity is based on an old version of qt3.

So...  yeah,

Trinity can easily survive without KDE.

trinity are away of KDE now.. a lot.. inclusivelly begins a muslc integration (very poor but there is).. in fact there's some plans to tqt3 (that you named qt3) integrates to qt4 and qt5 (partially right now with qt4)

Unless I am missing something.
PS, qt3 is being maintained by the trinity devs also.

yeah you missing a lot.. now is named tqt3 .. they changed a lot and still use /opt path to install until the naming space are complete (from kde to tde)

another of my proposal was make the trinity desktop the default in devuan but as aways rejected and without interes

That is a shame,  trinity desktop looks better visually then kde or gnome in my opinion...

#996 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-01-30 10:13:04

mckaygerhard wrote:
bgstack15 wrote:

To be on topic, and probably to repeat earlier stuff which I'm not bothering to read: A lot of packages drop files into systemd locations. It doesn't harm a system to have /usr/lib/systemd/system/$FOOBAR.service as a file. It just doesn't help either.

If you would like to contribute to how Devuan operates, we meet weekly. You can read the announcement for how to attend the meetings: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 7c.en.html.

network-mananger still cause some problems.. and now i found systemd files present in some non managed devuan packages..

i search at the search tool site of devuan and we can found several systemd files present in the system:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xsl-bin/pack … n=0.69.0-2

it seems that debhelper 11+ integrates dh_systemd, devuan developers need to manage the buils of this and remove that code.. most easy way is an auto_dh_systemd empty section in debian/rules of rebuild debian merged packages..

there also other amprolla merged ones that are not managed by devuan such as the famous courier-imad so widelly used:

i search at the search tool site of devuan and we can found several systemd files present in the system:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xsl-bin/pack … .6+1.0.6-1  it put a /lib/systemd/system/courier-imap.service file and also trigger into postinstall file..

security updates need also be tracked i noted the delayed way of devuan respect the souorce of the packages (debian)

For once, I agree, NetworkManager is going to cause problems. 

Connman and wicd are good workarounds for now.  Dhcpcd-gtk would be useful, only problem is, I don't know to get it running in devuan.

In Hyperbola its super simple.

Devuan/Debian distros, not so much...

#997 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2021-01-30 10:10:13

KDE is based on qt5 and past,

Trinity is based on an old version of qt3.

So...  yeah,

Trinity can easily survive without KDE.

Unless I am missing something.

PS, qt3 is being maintained by the trinity devs also.

#998 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-01-30 10:08:16

mckaygerhard wrote:
fsmithred wrote:

Security updates are sometimes late in devuan because amprolla gets confused when it sometimes gets a 404 on a debian repo. When this happens, it's usually discovered and fixed within a few days. You've probably seen the discussions on this forum about it.

There are people working on this, and based on something I was told a few days ago, it might already be fixed.

Thanks, that's a good response.. i noted the problem as i said.. and some time ago there was a project to do the same at the Devuan side! what happened with that? was dissapear and i cannot found any hint about

About amprolla i talked about the disavantages in old days but (cos erasing are the rule) i lost the info in devuan sites.. I proposed an idea similar to Debian mentors, but morte with a build site like OBS, i.e. something like PPA for winbuntu, due Devuan limitations on resources and manpowers, the most cheap way is request support of Devuan images in OBS (Opensuse Build Service).

finally at last, talking about support and info, in web page they changed the color scheme of the web page, now there is a decent contrast, but the information is too general, I searched a lot how many years of support has each release and it is not there, this is because each release changes respect of the software included and this influences the supported one

zapper wrote:

But yeah, its 5 years unless you use Extended Term Support builds and I looked up how much it costs, its expensive lol.

fsmithred wrote:

...that a private company is offering commercial support fo...

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

Okay, now I am curious of your sources... can you show me evidence of such? I thought ELTS costs money for all people.

#999 Re: News & Announcements » Sudo Vulnerability CVE-2021-3156 » 2021-01-30 10:05:58

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

when did get discovered?

Yesterday.

EDIT: the fixed version is 6.8.1.

EDIT2: it looks like the doas package in Hyperbola is orphaned and stuck on an old version (6.6.1).

Hmm, they are doing a lot of different packaging things for 0.4 release, so it may be taking a while.  I hope 0.4 is ready soon.

#1000 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2021-01-29 21:55:40

golinux wrote:
Ron wrote:

Came across this via Distrowatch. I think this proves that Debian's vote about init systems was a complete farce.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/piper … 03782.html

We've been headed there for a very long time.  It started in 2014 with the GR vote on init diversity that inspired the creation of Devuan.  This excellent post-mortem by dasein analyzes all the gory details.  A must read if you want to understand how we have gotten to where we are:

Combatting revisionist history

I hope you guys can overcome the crap debian keeps doing, I think they trying to redhat their distro...

That would make a good word to describe them trying to integrate systemd to death into their stuff.

Among other stuff...

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