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Did some research, found these links:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/179 … nit-script
https://bitmingw.com/2017/01/22/use-sudo-in-scripts/
So, if sudo is not the recommended command, deamon/runuser/whatever_passes_for_those_in_Devuan_today is ok?
I'm considering whether i should convert that service-file(?id=4865) or not?
Looks like this weekend i'm not going to do anything about that "postgres and *sqlalchemy*"-situation.
So maybe i'll try to a) remove all xfce-related packages and replace thwm with lxde-related packages b) replace elogind if possible.
Recently noticed this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5909 .
Although better to make some backups before a) and b) .
Is the problem with sudo just that "you're not supposed to do thing that way". Or are there security problems involved?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG0hQ5QKVU Karl Sanders - No Creature More Deserving of Cataclysmic Annihilation
Next time i'm in the mood for doing something, i think i'll try also find out if elogind is necessary or not.
On the other hand , about 3 months ago i was too clever with postgres and i should find out i i can coerce sqlite to cooperate or not.
I'm sure that there was an episode of House which included that "my finger hurts"-joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AnmP4PHrE8 Set the World on Fire (2013 Version)
it seems that this week i will be mostly listening to canadian thrash metal.
As far as minimalism: installers should all offer it, but then everyone would complain about how long it took to install a new full DE system, and updaters would have to be rewritten for every DE.
I was under the impression that devuan desktop install iso is for those who want desktop environment working ASAP.
And netinstall is more likely for those who want a minimal system. So is there any real harm done if avahi and some other packages are made optional in netinstall?
Haven't touched Arch yet. Would like to figure out first how to make guix usable.
Avahi may be necessary when using wireless network. But with wired, which i prefer, it just gets in my way. And then there are some security-related-problems.
Especially when the default iptables_rules are "-P ACCEPT"
Although this is going off-topic.
By "removal of polkit-related packages" i meant:
apt-get remove --purge pol*;apt autoremoverather not touch "libpolkit*" -packages since year 2022 when i found out that some of them are actually necessary if you want to log in to X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8XHyhCGE3s prescribing horror by Exodus.
Recently noticed this:https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6571 . Started to think: could removal of polkit-related packages have something to do with my "freezing problem" ?
And then there's that idea:replace xfce with lxde.
But on the other hand, i would like to get some Docker-related stuff done first before i cause a Fukushima-Chernobyl-level catastrophe. I think there's a related comic in xkcd.com but right now i'm too lazy to remember the exact link. Maybe sharks were mentioned, maybe not.
Edit. https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/349:_Success
dbus, systemd, network-manager, pulseaudio, pipewire, wayland, avahi, java and their libraries being completely OPTIONAL is the only way I would think that devuan could meet that standard of what I would desire.
For most parts, sounds like a good start. I strongly dislike avahi and networkmanager. But on the other hand i'm neutral towards dbus.
I guess i could figure out how to make alsa work without those pulse/pipewire/whatever, if i really want to.
Would like to add all polkit-related packages to that list.
Although that is for security-reasons, not minimalism-related.
Tried ktechlab. Put some components together and first the output in the oscilloscope looked like what i was expecting.
But then the voltage went flat-lined. Maybe i chose wrong component values or maybe there is some bug somewhere.
Tried first a simple thing, half-wave-rectifier combined with a RC-circuit before going to more complex things.
Maybe "What i was expecting" was a over-statement. The "downward slope" looked like what i have seen in electronics books and from a real oscilloscope once. But that "rising edge" was weird. Looked more like sawtooth wave. Maybe a rounding error or a bug?
Should send some email to the makers of ktechlab.
Got tired of that ngspice manual...
Btw. found this pdf: https://edolstra.github.io/pubs/phd-thesis.pdf I think it is loosely related to that dependency-subject.
Found it from the links-section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guix . Seems intresting distro, init diversity and a different package manager.
Seems to need a bit of effort to make it useful though.
Tried that "efi-checkbox" rolfie mentioned. After that the installation procedure refused to continue. At first the netinstall's installation program started but forze after some time. Next time i didn't get past the efi shell.
So efi is to be avoided, at least with vmachines.
And, with efi disabled in a vm, i couldn't make an efi partition with netinstall's partition tool. But on the other hand there is no real need for that.
Something called "Quantum Radio". First half was intresting. But after that it started to remind me of some SG1 episodes i have watched before. Boring.
Sometimes i'm also troubled by dependencies. Though usually dependencies that trouble me have something to do with Docker, pypi or node.
For example, do i really need to have 600 mb container just to run a simple "hello world"-app with Flask ? Or download 100 Python packages for that? And can i trust that the packages i download today even work? And without side-effects?
Looks like i should have installed lxde as a desktop instead of lightdm+xfce.
In virtual machine, i can exit and enter lxde without problems.
Haven't tried how startx or Xorg worked yet. On the other hand there's no actual need for that.
Somehow i don't like the shape of things today. About 20 years earlier i could use twm/fvwm95/fluxbox/kde/xfce/whatever and start those from text mode if i wanted. And they gave me no problems.
Now i cannot do anything GUI-related without a displaymanager.
And even then, there may be a freezing-with-gray-screen-problem.
Well , at least i know that it is possible to have a working GUI in Daedelus, at least in a vm.
The access-rights of /dev/input/* didn't seem to be a problem. Also no need for normal-user to belong in group "input".
Ngspice seems to take this "analogic thing" seriously. Manual has abt 700 pages and includes, for example, how temperatire effects the currents of pn-junction.
But on the other hand, that software has a steep learning curve.
Haven't actually tried to change the init system after the install.
And after some thinking, update-alternatives sounds more like what deepforest is after.
Maybe moving on to Alpine becomes a good idea. I heard that in that distro there is not so much bloat or unnecessary dependencies.
But i have been using Debian-ish distros almost 20 years. It is not easy to walk away from that.
In that case i'll have to let you know when i have bottle of Jägermeister for breakfast ![]()
Not sure if this helps, but: have you tried dpkg -reconfigure ?
Tried ktechlab. Put some components together and first the output in the oscilloscope looked like what i was expecting.
But then the voltage went flat-lined. Maybe i chose wrong component values or maybe there is some bug somewhere.
Tried first a simple thing, half-wave-rectifier combined with a RC-circuit before going to more complex things.
And there's not so much analog components available in the components menu.
I'll try simulide and the others next.