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#76 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Chroot/Jails alternative available for Devuan » 2023-02-27 16:10:15

boughtonp wrote:

Looks like systemd-nspawn is a wrapper around the kernel namespaces feature.

Linux namespaces do NOT require systemd to use.

Thank you for the head-up, your suggestion landed me on this old article:

https://lwn.net/Articles/531114/

I think they had better to rename the project from SYSTEMD to SYSTEMNIH...

😂

#77 Hardware & System Configuration » Chroot/Jails alternative available for Devuan » 2023-02-27 06:30:20

Danielsan
Replies: 7

Hi there,

I am wondering if there are available for Devuan, besides CHROOT, other technologies closer to the BSD JAILS or NSPAWN provided by Systemd, thanks! 🙏

#78 Re: ARM Builds » [SOLVED] Have been arm images dimissed? » 2023-02-14 18:09:16

golinux wrote:

Arm images are provided by the Devuan Arm community. They are not and never have been "officially" supported by Devuan.

Understood... I got confused because the name of the page...

#79 Re: ARM Builds » [SOLVED] Have been arm images dimissed? » 2023-02-14 17:45:56

Camtaf wrote:

There's this old one, you could install & upgrade, but there should be a link to chimaera one too, somewhere, I'll need to take another look online.

https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-armhf/current/images/netboot/mini.iso

Found them! smile

https://arm-files.devuan.org/

Thanks, I found that page too, but it was just a lucky coincidence, then I got back to arm page and the official images were missing... And now I am curious and I want to understand if the ARM images are still officially supported!

#80 ARM Builds » [SOLVED] Have been arm images dimissed? » 2023-02-14 06:10:32

Danielsan
Replies: 6

Hello,

I am trying to an image for the RPI2 but I couldn't find in the arm page:

README.txt                                         14-Oct-2021 12:59    1837
SHA256SUMS                                         15-Feb-2022 02:26    1530
SHA256SUMS.asc                                     22-Oct-2022 14:03     488
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_cd2.iso                12-Oct-2021 11:36    537M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_cd3.iso                12-Oct-2021 11:44    572M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_cd4.iso                12-Oct-2021 11:53    618M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso            12-Oct-2021 11:28      3G
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso         12-Oct-2021 10:48    372M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_server.iso             12-Oct-2021 10:58    642M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_cd2.iso                 12-Oct-2021 11:55    543M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_cd3.iso                 12-Oct-2021 12:03    573M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_cd4.iso                 12-Oct-2021 12:12    630M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_desktop.iso             12-Oct-2021 11:45      3G
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_netinstall.iso          12-Oct-2021 10:50    405M
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_server.iso              12-Oct-2021 11:02    691M
devuan_chimaera_4.1_0_amd64_pool1.iso              15-Feb-2022 02:21      5G
devuan_chimaera_4.1_0_i386_pool1.iso               15-Feb-2022 01:26      5G

Has been the support for ARM dismissed? 🤷♂️

Thanks!

#81 Re: ARM Builds » [RPI2] SSH through Android Mobile Hotspot » 2022-09-09 13:12:05

Eventually it looks like it is something that you can't do with the Android Hotspot, maybe an internal firewall, once I restored the default and tried it to my home wifi, ssh connection worked like a charm even over wifi...

Anyway hotspot/tethering it is so unpredictable that is not feasible as solution, I hope that a crossing cables may help with my project...

#82 ARM Builds » [RPI2] SSH through Android Mobile Hotspot » 2022-09-08 19:32:43

Danielsan
Replies: 2

I almost finished to revive my RPI2 with Devuan (of course) but I had a plan to ssh into it using Android as hotspot but it didn't workout...

Not sure if this was necessary but I add the empty file "ssh" to "/boot" but it didn't work out, I tried to change configuration on sshd_config but none of those worked... I assume basic password ssh should work out of the box on any Debian base distro so the only point left is Android doesn't allow any SSH connection through its hotspot cause I could ping the RPI2 but I always got the connection refused...

Did any of you have any prior experience with this topic?

Thanks in advance,

D.

#83 Documentation » [HOW TO] Compiling Lagrange on Devuan » 2022-02-11 07:53:15

Danielsan
Replies: 1

If you don't want use the Appimage bundle or the Flatpak version then, here you go...

gemini://gnuser.land/gemlog/2022-01-26-compiling-lagrange-on-debian-devuan-part-02.gmi

#84 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-31 14:04:55

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

But the GPL is the reason why hardware support for Linux is so broad — if the companies want to use the licensed code then they are forced to share any changes they make afterwards.

I don't see any relationship with GPL and hardware support, hardware vendors have been always free to deliver opens-source drivers and still refuse to embrace it fully, and as a matter of fact the Linux kernel is shipped by default with an horrific amount of binary blobs. The synergy behind the GPL is elsewhere in all those stacks that made modern computers so awful.

#85 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-29 06:05:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Danielsan wrote:

You sure?

Yes. All true UNIX systems provide a unified set of user space tools along with /sbin/init. The BSDs are closer to true UNIX than Linux so they emulate that approach.

I made no comment about commercial influences.

I will now though:

http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html ← both Google and Microsoft are regulars in that list.

https://freebsdfoundation.org/our-donors/donors/ ← Facebook as a top level contributor? Really? lol

The whole point between BSD and GNU is the former uses tools licensed as BSD and the latter as GPL and when one needs a tool that belongs to the other it will write its own version with its preferred license. FreeBSD has even deprecated GCC in favor of LLVM/CLang...

I would not care about having infiltration of these corporations, those are everywhere it is a part of the capitalism control, however I would be more concerned when those companies are in the GPLed space because the GPL licenses make the opensource manipulable; by the other hand the BSD licenses do not make the opensource manipulable because corporations can distribute software without giving back the source and rarely help unless it is so strategic that is worth contributing with code even if it will have $0 of ROI.

#86 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-28 21:53:49

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

A word of warning though: opponents of systemd probably won't like the BSDs because all of the user space utilities are developed by the exact same team that provides /sbin/init, just like with Lennart & co... [/troll]

You sure? I listen BSDNow everyday and they are constantly taking the distance from systemd and RedHat. Also they always marks that FreeBSD is a not-profit foundations why Linux is not.

#87 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-28 18:34:46

Yes I agreed, mostly are my thoughts regarding OpenBSD caused I noticed there is a lot of interest around the Desktop usage.

#88 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-28 15:20:48

andyprough wrote:

Have you looked into openbsd much? I've heard and read from a lot of people who are dismayed by the direction that GNU/Linux has gone (similar to you, based on some of your gemlogging) are turning to openbsd. If you have thoughts on why freebsd is superior, I'd be interested to hear them.

I was undoubted between FreeBSD and OpenBSD but eventually I opted for the first for a bunch of reason: great documentation, more software, great community, ZFS, more automation.

Even if FreeBSD is bigger than OpenBSD the interest around it is 80% server and 20% desktop, although is a general purpose OS the majority of people approach FreeBSD for ZFS and what you can achieve in the server space. From FreeBSD the effort is to keep the desktop relevant but there is any predefined DE hence no one works well as in Devuan for instance.

OpenBSD is a distro that is mainly oriented for the Desktop use, respect FreeBSD has better hardware support, for security reason it still uses FS filesystem (the slowest filesystem ever), nothing works with automation (I mean plugging a pendrive requires the use of CLI), it has its own default WM, CWM, that works perfectly and is perfectly integrated. By default OpenBSD creates a great development enviroment!

If you are on the coding side OpenBSD might be a better options. I found OpenBSD too extreme for my habits, already FreeBSD doesn't do anything if you don't set up it to make that tasks, but OpenBSD goes beyond, I do not want mount a pendrive through a terminal, but most people find this behavior better.

Most important is the hardware compatibility. You may find that FreeBSD and probably OpenBSD are ten years behind Linux. It is well known that Intel stuff (wifi, ethernet, etc...) works pretty good on the BSD all the others hardware vendors are problematic (specially wifi). My old laptop is supported but there is a very annoying bug that prevent me to use the ethernet adapter if I step before on Linux and then in FreeBSD.

The transition is smoother if you have as first requirement the conviction that you want really change your habits; as second suggestion you may use a virtual machine to see how much you will able to reproduce your usual workflow in a different OS even though the difference might be minimal, before to switch I have been using FreeBSD on a virtual machine for months, I decided to use FreeBSD as my OS for my Gemini server, using FreeBSD as server is easier because the installation is modular and by default the only services it enables are DHCP and SSH hence you have very minimal installation by default; lastly your hardware is well recognized and doesn't requires too much troubleshooting, NomadBSD is a derivative of FreeBSD made to run from pendrive it can help you to test your hardware compatibility, if it works fine with FreeBSD then it will likely work with OpenBSD as well.

Last thing is the dual-boot if you want preserve for instance Devuan like I do. These are my considerations but my impression is the BSDs do not consider the dual-booting a condition, they expect to be your only OS like Windows does. If you use efi you can use Refind to manage boot order, if you don't use EFI you must create a manual entry on Grub since Linux doesn't recognize BSD. The Linux behavior is to consider itself as alternative OS to Windows but anything else.

To close my suggestion is go to Virtual Machine, learn how to install FreeBSD or OpenBSD (I have a simple guide for FreeBSD on my capsule), try to reproduce your workflow, check if the software you like are available. Remember that DRM/EME doesn't not work any BSD hence you will not have any streaming services, spotify maybe works through a TUI software, if you rely on closed software these will not be available, etc. There is a compatibility layer between FreeBSD and Linux called Linuxulator that allows to use software that is specifically design for Linux and through which you can install Chrome or Vivaldi but I didn't check that out since I left my Linux partition to use also this crap.

The only missing part here is now just your curiosity! 😉

#89 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-28 04:00:28

Oh gosh... I burned my coverture... 😛

Thanks, my home page is the gate from where I can reach my favorite capsule, but my homepage change depending by the devices, on my computer is Antenna while on my mobile is Station.

The gemlog is moving very slow for lacking of time... 😞

#90 Re: Devuan » Devuan look and feel » 2022-01-27 20:00:01

I feel ashamed because I always wanted to help but never had time to do, starting from the logo.

I am professional designer with plenty of experience also with open-source tools, I am willing to help but I can't focus on this task: I forgot the meaning of free-time; but I can surely mentoring and help with tips and recommendation who want working on this even if he/she feels doesn't have enough experience or skills in the design field.

#91 Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-27 19:38:32

Danielsan
Replies: 18

Dear Folks,

I downgraded from Testing to Chimaera because I elected FreeBSD as my main distro. I opted for a dual boot, I am still using Devuan but only 10% of my tasks, my kid homework relies on Devuan and I don't have time to deal with another OS.

This time rather than openRC I opted for Runit and it works incredibly well, I am very surprised!

Devuan/Runit is probably the best Linux distro I ever used, it is perfect, everything works out of the box, for a "standard" desktop use is the best. I can't tell more about server tasks, also because I am moving everything toward FreeBSD, the very big limit about Devuan on the server space is the lack of documentation not only official but also blog articles, etc...

The infamous campaign against Devuan left hits wounds unfortunately!

If someone would ask if FreeBSD is better than Devuan I will have hard time to say yes! It is not a question better or worst it is more I am in disagreed with the Linux direction (read Red Hat/IBM leads) but as a matter of fact on my current workstation Devuan work out of the box but Cuda while with FreeBSD I am still fighting to make everything working, with a lot of headaches, even though is a quite old computer (but still powerful). However it is funny learning how to tuning FreeBSD while with Devuan there is anything much to do.

As usual the limit with Devuan (and Debian) stable is the software not always up to date. Beside Flatpak which is not my favorite anymore: read this to understand; other tools are coming in to supply recent software if you need newer version but you do not want backports or flatpak, such as: Appeimage Pool.

Eventually you can still continue to use the classic method as described in these Gemini links:

gemini://gnuser.land/gemlog/2021-07-02-telescope-part-one.gmi
gemini://gnuser.land/gemlog/2022-01-26-compiling-lagrange-on-debian-devuan-part-02.gmi

#92 Re: Installation » Devun DVD Installer & Virtualbox UEFI, installaton issues. » 2021-12-06 05:57:12

rolfie wrote:

Wouldn't be that optimistic. [...]

I installed Debian + Refind, than I installed Devuan. Refind was able to detect the devuan (virtual) CD iso and starting it.

#93 Re: Installation » Devun DVD Installer & Virtualbox UEFI, installaton issues. » 2021-12-01 19:46:23

rolfie wrote:

Have a look at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31475#p31475 and what follows ....

rolfie

Thanks rolfie,

I got this is a problem of the ISO, I hope it will be fixed soon.

#94 Installation » Devun DVD Installer & Virtualbox UEFI, installaton issues. » 2021-12-01 16:59:22

Danielsan
Replies: 5

Hi guys,

I am not sure this is a bug, however I can't install Devuan on Virtualbox in EUFI mode since it goes directly into the UEFI Shell; unfortunately this doesn't happen with the Debian DVD installer which starts properly.

Is there way to install Devuan with UEFI enabled? I need it to simulate a new install configuration, thanks!

D.

#95 Re: Devuan » Devuan Daedalus and missing repos » 2021-11-11 03:48:30

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

I think your apt knows best.

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main 

# beowulf-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main 

It is look like those don't exist yet... 🤔

As in this main folder: http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/
there are only:

[DIR]    daedalus-proposed-updates/    2021-10-14 14:41     -     
[DIR]    daedalus/    2021-07-09 13:39

#96 Devuan » Devuan Daedalus and missing repos » 2021-11-10 04:51:49

Danielsan
Replies: 3

Hi Folks,

here is written these repos are available:

Devuan Daedalus (testing)

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus          main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates  main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main

But my apt has a different opinion...

Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 185.38.15.81 80]
Err:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 185.38.15.81 80]

So what? 🤔

Thanks! 😘

#97 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] BTRFS Drama » 2021-10-19 15:01:53

Thank you very much again... 🍺

After this event I am not sure BTRFS has been a good idea anymore, I would achieve the same result with LVM except for the snapshots (althoug LVM supports them). I did it because mistakenly I was convinced about some internal command, and it doesn't matter if you are or not a power user, it still looks cumbersome the procedure rather than doing:

# zfs rollback -r /your/snapshot@date

#98 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] BTRFS Drama » 2021-10-17 16:06:38

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

@OP: so boot into the snapshot from GRUB (change rootflags=subvol=@ to rootflags=subvol=btrfs/snap_20211015) but remember to either edit the / line in btrfs/snap_20211015/etc/fstab so that the subvol= bit is correct or just delete that line and set the parameters via /etc/default/grub instead.

Once booted into the snapshot mount the btrfs partition and move the snapshot:

# mount /dev/sdXY /mnt
# mv /mnt/@{,.orig}
# mv /mnt/btrfs/snap_20211015 /mnt/@

Then reboot again.

If that all works you can remove the original root subvolume:

# mount /dev/sdXY /mnt
# btrfs subvolume delete /mnt/@.orig # any nested subvolumes will have to be deleted first; rm -r might be quicker :-)

Thanks, this really clarify a lot of things however there is something that I still don't get...

Can I actually mount a disk while using a subvolume?

You wrote

# mount /dev/sdXY /mnt

In my case it would be /dev/sda1, did I understand properly?

Anyway I didn't understand many critics about BTRFS but since I am playing with FreeBSD almost daily I have started to understand the reasons, the filesystem lacks a method to restore itself, like for instance ZFS, and this procedure is a bit cumbersome. Other distros like Ubuntu, Opensuse and Arch implemented an automatic function related with the packaging upgrading to rollback.

#99 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] BTRFS Drama » 2021-10-17 15:28:55

thierrybo wrote:

Daedalus broke also for me on proprietary drivers. The fix is in Ceres.  Could you have  just use nouveau drivers as i did just the time the fixed version reach daedalus rather than use a full system  rollback?.

Yes I could, but later I just realized the older kernel was working, and then I understood what was the issue and simply upgraded from Ceres.

#100 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] BTRFS Drama » 2021-10-16 15:49:00

Yes sure thing! Thanks!

FSTAB (only BTRFS Volumes)

# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
## BTRFS SUBVOL ROOT
UUID=5a8bbd0d-e862-4e40-86f2-3f8f9b10e110 /               btrfs   subvol=@,defaults,noatime,space_cache,discard=async,autodefrag        0       0

## BTRFS SUBVOL HOME
UUID=5a8bbd0d-e862-4e40-86f2-3f8f9b10e110 /home           btrfs   subvol=@home,defaults,noatime,space_cache,discard=async,autodefrag        0       0

GRUB

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="rootflags=subvol=@ quiet"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

Subvolume List

ID 268 gen 382712 top level 5 path @
ID 327 gen 382712 top level 5 path @home
ID 357 gen 4558 top level 268 path btrfs/snap_20200903
ID 358 gen 4561 top level 268 path btrfs/snap_20200903ro
ID 405 gen 32786 top level 268 path btrfs/snap_20200908
ID 518 gen 365657 top level 268 path btrfs/snap_20211015

Did I miss anything?

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