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#826 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Question about few Experimental packages » 2022-08-30 00:25:20

The short answer would be that "experimental is not merged".

You may note that the sources.list point says /devuan experimental while there is no experimental section in /merged.

You may well add a sources.list point for Debian's experimental section but obviously you take full responsibility for whatever package mix you make from that. With the appropriate pinning it should be "safe".

#827 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] How to Navigate Back to a Previous XFCE Session? » 2022-08-28 06:57:49

Well, I favour the belief that it is the Linux kernel itself that handles both C-A-Fn and A-Fn unless something like Xorg intervenes and "steal" the A-Fn key combinations. For example, you can easily switch also to VTs without input handlers. Or try:

# sudo openvt -f -c 24 echo "HELLO THERE VT24"
# sudo chvt 24

Doing that leaves you hanging in VT24 without any keyboard listener, but you would use A-F7 or C-A-F7 to "return" to X.

#828 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] How to Navigate Back to a Previous XFCE Session? » 2022-08-25 21:56:09

You can usually determine which virtual terminal Xorg is using by:

$  pgrep -a Xorg

and if that says, say, vt07 you may shift to that with ctrl-alt-f7.
Or, if you have a command line, the root command

# chvt 7

will do the same.

Further, there is normally a /dev/ttyN set up for every virtual terminal N. Thus, you may use

$ ls /dev/tty[0-9]* | wc -l

to see how many virtual terminals are available.
I think that is a compilation setting for the kernel.

See e.g. man openvt and friends, and man Xorg (look for "terminal").

#829 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems mounting SD card on card reader » 2022-08-22 21:40:52

I'd say you need to get a new sdcard reader; perhaps that the card is EXFAT formatted and the reader can't handle that.

#830 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » which tool for changing WLAN access » 2022-08-22 09:29:57

Maybe you mean:

# iwlist wlan0 scanning | grep -B1 ESSID

#832 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-07-30 00:25:10

mmm I don't much care about GUI, but I don't think I would see much value in using a platform that wants to be in control how my stuff looks. Probably best for me that I keep staying away from it smile

#833 Re: DIY » /etc/network/interfaces vs dhclient -s » 2022-07-29 22:51:13

Yes, one way would be to change the "method" for eth0 in (/etc/network/interface) from dhcp to manual and instead have the dhclient command as an up command (i.e. to be run after that the interface is brought up at link level).

To do that you would first run it as dhcp, then use pgrep dhclient to get hold of the full command to run, which you copy to be the up, with your modifications.

#834 Re: DIY » /etc/network/interfaces vs dhclient -s » 2022-07-29 00:00:17

@nahkhiirmees: you might rather want to use the reject statement in the client host's /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. See man dhclient.conf for details.

#835 Re: Off-topic » OT nonsense » 2022-07-26 12:37:29

As a reminder: this is a Devuan forum, and not a social-political arena. Behave.

#836 Re: Installation » devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso » 2022-07-26 04:28:38

Thank you for noticing. Yes, they are all perfect again smile

#838 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] moving /-partition to LVM after installation (Devuan 4) » 2022-07-25 23:01:17

Afaik, when you installed lvm2 it should have added itself to initrd. Though my conjecture from your other notes is that you have the lvm2 software installed some other way. Perhaps a package reinstallation would be an option?

#839 Re: Other Issues » "Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' " » 2022-07-20 00:44:53

Possibly this all has been an effect of an apparent misconfiguration of Devuan's authoritative name servers such that some of them only served the ipv6 addresses for deb.devuan.org.

This has been corrected, so things might improve.

#840 Re: Other Issues » "Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' " » 2022-07-18 23:16:22

@Grumpy, with all respect, it's kind of like contacting your bike manufacturer when you, on your way to the shop, find that there is a temporary road closure.

More precisely, the Temporary failure in resolving 'deb.devuan.org' notice is from the initial phase in the networking when the apt software (on your computer) attempts to find an IP address for that service. The service itself is not involved in that phase.

#841 Re: Installation » Can you unravel where this went wrong? » 2022-07-15 20:54:43

It would also be useful to know whether this person used the default Install option or the Advanced/Expert install option, and the choices along the way. Often enough people opt to use the latter and then make choices contrary to their needs and intentions. It would be good feedback about the appropriateness (and lack of) of the steps' advice and instructions.

#842 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Sound and DisplayPort » 2022-07-12 12:26:15

I don't know much of this either, but fwiw I agree with your observations.

You might be able to use amixer to toggle that 'HDMI/DP,pcm=3 Jack' control.
First you'd do

amixer contents

to see what is possible and the "names" of things, and then something like

amixer cset iface=CARD,name='HDMI/DP,pcm=3 Jack' toggle

to toggle that control.

#843 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Sound and DisplayPort » 2022-07-12 00:42:30

You might also want to review the output from

alsa-info --no-upload --stdout

which supposedly tells everything possible about the alsa setup. It's a good haystack to look for needles in smile

#844 Re: Installation » devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso » 2022-07-09 22:13:38

The daedalus preview ISOs are currently only those that provide packages. Each is set up as a "repository" which most easily is used as a "file://" source in sources.list. I suppose some "cdrom:" line might work as well but I haven't had luck with those. So, my suggested hands-on is:

  • mount the ISO at some file path /X

  • add a line to sources.list (note the plethora of slashes):

    deb [trusted=yes] file::///X daedalus main contrib non-free
  • then run apt-get update and so on

Those ISOs don't include any installer and are not bootable.

#845 Re: Devuan » Experiences with Ceres? » 2022-07-04 23:23:33

Just to be sure:

  • Devuan's "stable" is a link currently pointing at "chimaera"

  • Devuan's "testing" is a link currently pointing at "daedalus", and

  • Devuam's "ceres" is a link pointing at "unstable".

It's typically as stable to use Devuan's "unstable" as it is to use Debian's "unstable" ("sid"), because most of Devuan's packages come unaltered from Debian. Mostly it works well (better?) to run a "chimaera" installation and only add in "daedalus" packages where necessary and possible.

#846 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Anacron symlinked to "true", again. » 2022-06-29 23:17:52

quick note: I think your IV and V are in wrong order: init executes /etc/init.d/rcS because that's what /etc/inittab says. That file is the configuration for init.

Please continue smile

EDIT: Actually, you skipped over the pre-pivot stage, which is the initial bootup (adding .1 to your III) using the initrd filesystem.

The kernel begins by running its /init which is a shell script, and that script will eventually pivot the root to the "real" filesystem and exec /sbin/init. The initrd scripting is held in /usr/share/initramfs-tools which is a configuration place for building an initrd, since the actual, running initrd is the cpio package loaded from /boot into RAM by the kernel (using the initrd= parameter).

afaik most linux systems have that 2-stage boot, to allow the bootup to be programmed generically even though every actual bootup is a specific host. It's quite possible to set up the bootup for the specific host without using an initrd stage but then typically it needs a specific kernel with the right modules compiled in.

#847 Re: Documentation » SysVinit file for MySQL » 2022-06-23 22:45:21

True. And the OP may also have their good reasons for not using mariadb, which is the "product line" that is supported within the Devuan context (well, Debian context really, since it's not forked).

#848 Re: Documentation » SysVinit file for MySQL » 2022-06-23 02:27:11

Isn't it called mariadb in chimaera?

#849 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] fresh devuan install fails with debootstrap chroot warning » 2022-06-14 15:59:02

The most common mistake for an "expert" installer is to skip the "load components" (or similar) step.

Does that fit your use case?

#850 Re: Off-topic » Your thoughts on: TheCaseForTheUsrMerge » 2022-06-10 21:50:16

Respectfully, these "works for me" anecdotes seem rather small-minded and useless, pretty much  like the whole idea itself.

Personally I'm in no way confused by having multiple directories with programs and libraries, and I imagine that the likelihood of confusing something or someone is larger with making this kind of change than not changing.

The idea is a matter of choice, and the main stigma is in the question of who should make the choice.

In many ways it's similar to that choice of excluding /sbin and /usr/sbin from non-root user's default setup; a choice which in my view is equally stupid.

But I don't make these choices. I merely learn to live with them.

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