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#801 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-11-26 12:14:20

JWM-Kit wrote:

Hello everyone. Sorry I've been so quite lately.  Life is busy.  I am aware of the new JWM 2.4 release and do plan to update JWM Kit to reflect the recent changes. The change that concerned me most from the release notes was this:

  - Added ~/.config/jwm/jwmrc as the new default location for per-user configuration

I was afraid this may break JWM Kit as it gathers data from the old location.  I have compiled JWM 2.4 on Devuan and tested it and the good news is it does seem to use the old location as a fallback. This means that JWM Kit should continue to work, and from my small amount of testing it appears to work well. In the future JWM Kit will support using the new default location, but it is good to know that the current version still works and there is no need for a rushed release to fix this.  Especially since I am very busy right now.

If any of you are using/testing this new version of JWM I would love to hear your experience.  If you find anything that does not work correctly with JWM Kit let me know.  Thanks.

I am not sure, haven't used it yet, but wondered when the sndioctl change will be added to jwmkit, to not require aucatctl + stable release...

I think you did half of that, but the second part isn't done yet right?

Either way, I don't blame you for being occupied, its the holidays... wink

Aka, you haven't added those changes to a stable release yet... wink

#802 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:43:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I am familiar with Arch packaging. My instructions in post #9 should work.

See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_B … _using_Git for a quick way to checkout the Firefox PKGBUILD from the Arch repositories.

Only problem is Hyperbola has no rust,  with which to build it from... sad

Also, glibc version from Hyperbola is too old to work with  any builds from Arch.

#803 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:20:04

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

You won't be able to run a Devuan binary in Hyperbola. The ABI will be different and the sonames won't match.

hmm...

huh...

I may just need to talk to one of my hyperbola buddies, he seems to know how to do stuff like this, I reckon I will have to wait for him.

Perhaps this is too complicated for me on my own... oh well...

I was going to build with ./mach package after build succeeded, but oh well.

Edit: I guess I should have had the title say from Devuan. That was more what I meant... hmm

#804 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:14:17

GlennW wrote:

here's what I did. from git,

installing firefox from git

archived :  /home/glenn/local/archive/src/apt/SOURCES/firefox-93.0.tar.bz2

cd /opt
wget https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/93.0/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-93.0.tar.bz2
tar xfj firefox-93.0.tar.bz2
/opt/firefox/firefox
remove the old firefox links
mv /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefoxold
or after backup of bookmarks and passwordz
apt remove firefox-esr
create new link
ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox

Works for me, I hope it works for you.

I have no idea what this is...

I am trying to compile firefox with a modified config to be more secure and not require dbus, so I can use it on Hyperbola.

Also, with alsa support and no libpulse dependency, etc...

This doesn't make sense to me

Can you explain?

#805 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:04:01

"Look in the debian directory inside the firefox-esr source, the browser.mozconfig.in file is the one you want."

I had thought that as well, but it still seems to not pass on my changes, which is very weird imo.

#806 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 20:43:06

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

[how the hell do I get the ./mach build to use the mozconfig changes I made?

Follow the instructions on the BLFS page to which I linked.

Or just add a line to the PKGBUILD prepare() function and run makepkg -sri to build and install the custom package if you're doing this from Hyperbola.

I was using the apt source version from devuan, I am a bit confused and kind of annoyed... also, I am using devuan currently to build.

Also, I should add for more info, all I really need is to know which mozconfig, etc.. to modify to add my changes.

#807 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 20:33:50

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The .js preferences files work with any version of FF. You don't have to compile a custom version to use them.

That is good, but tell me something, how the hell do I get the ./mach build to use the mozconfig changes I made?

It keeps doing the same old crap, no matter what I do.

It effectively acts like I changed nothing! Its kind of infuriating...

Very much so...

I mean, all I want is to do things a specific way, and to compile with less than 4 cores, and the damn thing refuses to accept my config for building.

This is my mozconfig in, browser/config/mozconfig

It feels almost like the devuan/debian build is meant to sabotage modifications... unless I am mistaken...

but yeah, its annoying.

#808 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 12:51:53

hevidevi wrote:

I dont know anything on compiling FF but i use arkenfox user.js with a custom user-overrides.js

arkenfox github page has all the instructions you need.

https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js

and this for the user-overrides.js that i have edited for my own personal use.

https://codeberg.org/12bytes.org/Firefo … supplement

Does it work before or after its compiled?

#809 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 01:26:37

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Never tried this myself but Arch PKGBUILDs are good for checking this sort of thing, the prepare() function lists the steps and it looks like the option can be added to mozconfig file like this:

ac_add_options --disable-dbus

But it's probably best to build a modified package from the Debian source:

apt source firefox-esr

Then edit debian/browser.mozconfig.in and build the package (debuild -us -uc).

Good luck though. Are you sure you have enough RAM & disk space to build it? If not you could upload the source tarball, debian directory tarball and .dsc file to the openSUSE Build Service and let that build it for you. They only offer Debian repositories but it should be compatible.

EDIT: BLFS says it needs 5.2GiB of disk space and will take 28 SBU (on a four core machine).

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/v … egacy.html

I think you probably have some idea of this already, but yeah I was in fact doing this to make it usable with Hyperbola, but I am curious which glibc would be required to make it work wherever...

Quick note though what about the other part I mentioned, the arkenfox part? its basically a way of disabling a lot of firefox bs that is enabled by default.

Also, I wondered if glibc required is too new, is there a way to fix that as well?

#810 Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-12 22:54:33

zapper
Replies: 19

Before you reply though, a few things:

I want to add arkenfox's preferences as default
I also want to add --disable-dbus as an option
Also I should add, mozilla's bloody source code only allows so called "supported distros" to compile it from source, which is really annoying, aka it blocks devuan for some reason... its extremely irritating.

Can someone who knows something about how to do this give me some clear instructions?  The --disable-dbus thing, I have some idea how to do, but the rest is a complete mystery.

EDIT: I should have said from devuan.

#811 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-11-07 13:11:03

brday wrote:
zapper wrote:

As I have said before, I myself prefer JWM.

The JWM  for 64 bits ? Can you post here a screenshot that displays in the terminal data and consumption of the machine with the command neofetch ? It would be nice if you could leave the link of  jwm kit to test with devuan.

I could post a screenshot, but I would have to reboot to get a good idea of how much is actually consumed.  then go into a terminal and type in free -m

I am using 64 bit, so no worries there.

https://codeberg.org/jwmkit

I recommend checking the consumption for yourself though, RAM is used more on machines with more RAM.

So what I mean I guess is, I have 16GB RAM on this laptop. Well on my comp with 8GB it uses less of the RAM.

Andyprough can correct me if he wants, but I think he said it used like somewhere from 60-70 megabytes to use it, even with jwmkit.

Or maybe jwmkit said that? anywho, it uses less the dwm according to Andyprough for sure. I recall he said that on a forum. wink

On boot though, it uses less than 70mb for me though for my 16GB T430 with coreboot + me cleaner.

I can reboot to check if you are interested. I will do so now...

Interesting... It seems on one of my laptops its like 110mb total usage including jwm being used. That one has Hyperbola though, 16gb or not. I will try my devuan one and see what that shows.

Here is a picture of it, https://upload.disroot.org/r/KhKbZ0Vd#3 … I4v3+DbPs=

just download it to see it.

Btw, I looked and Hyperbola uses 89mb without any wm/DE.

so that means... 21mb for jwm? insane... it has 16gb of ram so I didn't expect this lol.

I will check devuan now.

Fascinating... it uses 141mb on Devuan ceres...
https://upload.disroot.org/r/t6xNspMs#U … 2o+y6X8Ic=

Without a wm it uses close to that number.  Anywho, those links seem to indicate to me, that JWM is ultra lightweight. Anywho, that's all folks! smile

Except I should mention I am using 5.15.xx linux-libre kernel on the devuan laptop and 5.10.xx on the hyperbola one.

wink  just a heads up! smile

#812 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] ungoogled-chromium, Iridium, or LibreWolf, please » 2021-11-05 11:04:23

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

were you trolling or serious?

Both.

I have no idea what to say to this beyond this reply...

wink

#813 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] ungoogled-chromium, Iridium, or LibreWolf, please » 2021-11-04 00:31:15

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I can't speak for the developers but I'm pretty sure they already have enough to do without packaging up some shitty browers that aren't good enough to make it into Debian's repositories.

I am going to have to disagree, chromium, iridium, firefox regular, firefox esr, all are shitty browsers. 

Librewolf, ungoogled-chromium are much better than their counterparts. 

Just curious, but were you trolling or serious?

I can't figure it out at the moment.

EDIT: I see what you mean about ungoogled-chromium in later posts, still think that librewolf is way better than the rest.

#814 Re: Installation » How to have updated firefox-esr in Chimaera? » 2021-11-03 00:25:38

I currently use ceres on one of my laptops, but I also have a vm of devuan on that laptop so I can test before I upgrade. Just in case of issues...

wink

As for snapd, some people say you can change the repository it pulls packages from, to one other than canonical's.  That being said, its still in my mind, as bad as flatpak or nodejs' package manager and various other likewise separate installation methods. 

Unless its built from source code of course, but in general I do not recommend nodejs, snapd, flatpak, appimage, pip or anything else besides compiling and regular installation. 

Just a heads up, I DELIBERATELY listed those in order from worst to best.  wink

Also, librewolf is an option for ceres. I believe? As far as I can see anyways.

#815 Re: DIY » Linux ports of OpenBSD's ksh » 2021-10-10 17:39:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Version 7.0 of oksh is now available. So Linux has it before OpenBSD big_smile

That is ironic, but I wonder which has the more secure version... tongue

No offense, but OpenBSD devs probably are more security conscious... wink

#816 Re: Off-topic » It's a sad day . . . » 2021-10-10 17:37:19

uther wrote:

GPU rendering in Blender require OpenCL drivers if you have AMD GPU, otherwise Blender won't see your card at all.
However with recent Cycles rewrite AMD will have completly different backend (HIP) and OpenCL was dropped. We (Blender users) still don't know what drivers we will need or what hardware will be supported, as HIP implementation isn't finished.

So blender doesn't work with open source drivers... well okay.

That's a shame, but meh, it is what it is eh, at least for now.

#817 Re: Off-topic » It's a sad day . . . » 2021-10-10 02:32:17

uther wrote:

Open drivers don't have OpenCL support. And I need that.
Also I have installed only OpenCL parts of AMDGPU-PRO. Display is handled by mesa, and indeed it's great.

You have perked my curiosity, what do you need opencl for and/or the proprietary blob for? I am curious.

If you don't want or feel like telling me though, feel free to tell me.

It just sounds odd to me, given that those blobs are like mystery software.

hmm

#818 Re: Off-topic » It's a sad day . . . » 2021-10-08 23:24:21

golinux wrote:

Please take note of appropriately trimmed post.  smile

Point taken...

Either way, I decided to respond in a different thread if that helps,

wink

I am hopeful I was at least somewhat on topic.

wink

#819 Re: Devuan » As Debian 11 moves closer to Devuan. Is there any reason to stay on De » 2021-10-08 23:23:11

Minimalism isn't always pretentious, it depends on what you need and what you want from software whether it be a DE, WM, or what an OS is in general.

To be honest, if Devuan is more then a systemd protest distro, I guess I would've thought it would be fighting more the redhat nonsense...

Not trying to be critical, just sayin, systemd is not the only problem plaguing the linux atmosphere.

Aka, not just systemd, but also, at bare minimum, pulseaudio, networkmanager, wayland as well as systemd. The reason I don't use it as my main OS, is because of that and dbus as well as openssl and java. So meh... to each their own.

I should mention though, a dev I know looked at the dbus code even found in powerkit the application used with draco desktop, fingerprints your hardware...

I have no idea why that is even needed... or what they do with it. Aye...

Also, I don't care about DE's. wink WMs for the win man! smile

I do still have a Devuan VM in case I need it though. I noticed that chimaera has security, updates and regular repos.  I am guessing that means Devuan's newest version is coming out before the end of the year.  Or sooner, not sure which.

But yeah, I would be careful about trusting Debian again till they stop feeding on Redhat's ideas so much.

#820 Re: Off-topic » It's a sad day . . . » 2021-10-08 23:07:45

golinux wrote:

Morning check of this forum and EVERY new post is off topic.  Not quite sure what that says about Devuan . . . 

Troll appreciation thread

Fight for the Plasma Desktop Cube

Palemoon drama, has gotten bad

Music

Show your desktop (rebooted)

Just to be clear, that was not my intention whatsoever...

Although, I didn't comment on the last two... tongue

Although, the third one has been derailed a bit...

On further inspeection it seems I didn't comment on the 2nd one today either... lol.

#821 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-10-08 12:48:53

I don't know, as long as trolls don't get cruel and evil, I enjoy feeding them sometimes... tongue

If they like to be nonsensical or spamlike, I enjoy watching and laughing.

#822 Re: Off-topic » Fight for the Plasma Desktop Cube » 2021-10-08 12:46:02

kjpetrie wrote:

If you use Plasma and find the Cube one of the most useful features and a major motivation for choosing it over other desktops, you will be shocked to learn KDE plan to abolish it at the next release (5.23.x).

Now, of course, that won't affect Devuan users immediately because the Plasma here is many versions back, so presumably will not be upgraded to 5.23 in the immediate future, but it may well bite when the next version of Devuan comes out. By then the cube will be long gone and any chance of persuading KDE to put it back will be long behind us.

I have opened a wishlist bug report at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443410 and a topic on the KDE forum at https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=172850 and would welcome support there.

KDE have invited those who care enough to rewrite the effect using QML, but I imagine that's not a trivial thing to do unless you know both QML and the internal workings of Plasma well.

Not that I care about DE's much, but at least the KDE folks, are willing to allow someone to make those changes, that gives me a small amount of respect for them, whether they are bloated or not, which I think they are. wink

That being said,  I wonder if Gnome would be as willing to preserve features people like. I am not sure...

#823 Re: Off-topic » Palemoon drama, has gotten bad, » 2021-10-07 15:34:29

Hevidevi, if it doesn't work, you can PM me, also, if you want FDE with or without /boot encrypted, ask me that in a PM.

Peace!

#824 Re: Off-topic » Palemoon drama, has gotten bad, » 2021-10-07 15:19:13

hevidevi wrote:
zapper wrote:
hevidevi wrote:

dhcpcd-ui you mean?

Looks very much dbus free.

I tried installing hyperbola a few days ago but was stopped due to gpg / pacman key not found by the maintainer.

Yeah, you can bypass that actually, set SigLevel to never.

Its no big deal.

Did that, still failed. Im pretty sure the maintainers key is kaput. By that i mean that the key cannot be found on any key servers. When was the last time you had to refresh pacman keys?

They are working on 0.4 tirelessly lately, let me think for a second... I believe you need to  comment the other SigLevel, as well.. then it will allow you to update.

comment this:

#SigLevel    = Required DatabaseOptional
And have this non commented like so...
SigLevel = Never

If either is incorrect/missing make the changes.

#825 Re: Off-topic » Palemoon drama, has gotten bad, » 2021-10-07 15:05:49

hevidevi wrote:
zapper wrote:
hevidevi wrote:

zapper can i ask what programs you use for network on hyperbola?

dhcpcd-gtk is one of them

dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant both of which  seem to work without dbus in Hyperbola.

and yes, wifi with wpa2 and 2.4ghz as well as 5ghz works fine.

dhcpcd-ui you mean?

Looks very much dbus free.

I tried installing hyperbola a few days ago but was stopped due to gpg / pacman key not found by the maintainer.

Yeah, you can bypass that actually, set SigLevel to never.

Its no big deal.

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