Semi figured it out, not completely, but its a huge improvement.

Yes, I called it with doas instead. heh...

sakura -e doas  /sbin/poweroff

sakura -e doas /sbin/reboot

That's how I activate it currently. 

Its fine atm, till a better solution appears.

Considering how stable people say devuan chimaera is,  I would say probably less than a year and it will be stable.
If nothing else though, looking at the difference in release dates will give you a good idea.

But yeah, when its ready is the official answer.

Void can work without dbus? I am surprised, I didn't know this... hmm.

Do you know if they plan to remove libressl in the future completely? Regardless, for me its Hyperbola or bust at this point.

Take it easy man, your just hurting yourself with that temper...

I have been there, but raging will only hurt you in the long run. 

I must admit, I don't use devuan as much as I used to, but man, you seem on edge.

Please seek help, no one wants to see you bury yourself.

Okay? Please?

It really isn't worth losing your marbles... trust me. 

Anywho, hope you have a better rest of the week.

Just in general I wondered what the difference was. 

Also, which is a larger package would be interesting too.

Yeah... my bad... I have not tried chimaera's wicd yet, last I tried was beowulf and it worked there.

Is it faster and more lightweight than Runit? That would be surprising if so!

???

I must have missed something...

Although it would be awesome if devuan had enough devs to maintain devuan without needing to fork debian.

Not the reality yet though, but someday maybe!

I don't think I have ever seen that issue...

There is an intel processor called that, its ivy bridge I noticed when I did a search, but when I looked for Asrock, Z77 Extreme 4, I realized it must be an amd, judging by the rest of the info...

EDIT:  I think I spoke too soon...

I would check to see if hazardous boot is on,  its technically called secure boot, but I don't think that name makes any sense.

When the hazardousboot/secureboot is on, it gives some operating systems a hard time...  some linux distros operate this way alas...

Also, do you need the Radeon GPU? If not, I think intel processors come with their own version. Which in ivy bridge requires no blobs.

This would also be more likely to work in my experience.

I wouldn't say they don't use new code, 29.2 and onward got rid of legacy extensions, aka, ones supported by firefox esr52.9 and older.

XUL hasn't been deprecated to be clear, just the ones that worked on firefox before ESR60 and firefox 57+,

As for new code, the new code is, mostly code to fix the problems firefox developers refused to, such as telemetry, tracking, data collection, insecurities,  stuff like that.

The last type of code, that is new, is the useragent stuff...

That's about all I think that is new code. But they do it differently then mozilla, so I imagine it is far more stable/secure.

Anywho, you can find out about many of these misconceptions on palemoon's forum:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewforum.php?f=24

PS, I don't use palemoon, I use a fork of Basilisk Browser, known as Iceweasel-uxp.

I will add another one to the list for those who don't need non-free repos of any kind even optionally,

jxself.org/linux-libre

Note, I think the linux kernel is a monolith and am anticpating other options in the future, but for now, till the distro Hyperbola makes their BSD version,  I recommend anyone who doesn't need binary blobs, etc...

to use linux-libre you need a system usually that doesn't even need binary blobs optionally,  however if you do so, use an LTS kernel first, also, have multiple kernels if you want to be 99% sure. 

This hasn't been a problem for me most times on devuan,  but 2-4 out of maybe 200+ uses or more it has happened. 

But it still happens... 

For those saying debian/devuan don't have non-free stuff, I am very much speaking of hdcp and other issues like them,

But if you use a non-free wifi card, non-free sound blob or non-free graphics card, THEN DO NOT!

Just a friendly warning... if you need any of those three things,  be warned! Linux Libre probably doesn't work with them.

To my earlier point btw, the linux kernel  alone, has grown to 27 million lines of code, openbsd in its entirety has only less than 4 million, let that sink in...

Anywho, I just mentioned jxself.org's repo, because it has slightly more sane defaults regarding things debian deems free that FSF doesn't.

Although even the FSF, is  flawed regarding init freedom... to each his own.

This is my only problem with them...  ps, nobody pirates anything.  Why do I say that? Because pirates sink ships, steal everything and very often murder the people onboard the ship.   
Thus, "piracy" or "pirating"  is massively inappropriate for saying that someone is getting something for free.  Besides, as I said to them, the DRM built into most copyrighted non-free software,  cannot even be modified, you don't even hardly own full access of the hardware/software you bought, and in some cases its even worse... 

It's basically like you only have the right  to use 30% of the capabilities and the rest is a blackbox. 

aka, you are not allowed to modified your own bios without reverse engineering the hell out of stuff just to get it work. 

You could call that jumping through a huge amount of random hoops. 

Some even consider modifying copyright software and distributing a patch to the original software to be copyright infringement and thus "piracy"

I know most of you would probably agree o n the whole hardware issues I mention being completely and utter bull$hit. 
That being said,  I appreciate Moonchild and Tobin's work on the palemoon and basilisk browser, but they are dead wrong on this issue. 

Also, the idea of blocking ads is even theft to a few people on those forums including Moonchild last I checked...

Thus he is misguided on some issues.  I wish him well, but I won't agree on those two issues, aka copyright and its powers and of course advertisements...

If blocking ads = theft, privacy will start to erode even more.

And if copyright infringement includes modifying software your computer or hardware, privacy will also die even more rapidly.

If both happen, kiss privacy completely goodbye.

Yeah, sorry for the long winded reply, but these issues kind of freak me out.

No one needs to own a blackbox computer,

the way it should work is this: 

Corporations, government = being spied on   the low class and middle class not spied on!

The opposite though happens more often than not.  It's bs really... 

smh...