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#51 Installation » My chimaera install issues #9: meld'ing as root gives errors » 2021-07-23 07:25:49

einpoklum
Replies: 9

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

After installation, when I log in as the user created during installation, with the Cinnamon desktop environment, and perform the following:

1. Open a terminal
2. becoming root with su.
3. Make sure meld is installed: apt install meld.
3. Choose two different and not-so-small text files, say a and b.
4. Execute meld a b.

... the meld program runs, but I get:

Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
(org.gnome.meld:29135): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 10:22:54.933: gtk_box_gadget_distribute: assertion 'size >= 0' failed in GtkScrollbar
2021-07-23 10:22:54,934 CRITICAL Gtk: 
(org.gnome.meld:29135): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 10:22:54.933: gtk_box_gadget_distribute: assertion 'size >= 0' failed in GtkScrollbar
2021-07-23 10:22:54,934 CRITICAL Gtk: 

with the latter line repeated many many times.

These errors do not appear when I run meld as the non-root user.

(Next post in the series: Issue #10)

#52 Installation » My Chimaera install issues #8: fetchmail starting or stopping? » 2021-07-23 07:10:34

einpoklum
Replies: 0

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

When rebooting, we are told that an /etc/default/fetchmail setting is preventing fethcmail from _starting_; it should either say that fetchmail is disabled altogether, or say that it is preventing fetchmail from being stopped. Also - if it's a default setting, why are we even getting a message about this? Either there shouldn't be an attempt to start it, or the attempt should accept that setting as something which doesn't merit a notification.

(Next post in the series: Issue #9)

#53 Re: Installation » My chimaera install issues #6: lxqt-pm shouldn't be autorun on desktop » 2021-07-22 22:55:50

Well, I asked on the Devuan IRC channel, and it was suggested to me to report my series of issues here on the forum.

Also - for most of these issues, including this one, I'm not sure which package is to blame.

#54 Installation » My chimaera install issues #7: Confusing choice of background image » 2021-07-22 22:27:53

einpoklum
Replies: 0

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

In one of the desktop environments I logged with - don't remember if it was Cinnamon, or LXQt+Muffin, or both - the background image was the same background image as the login screen.

This is not a bug, but I believe it's not a good idea for this to be the case. It is somewhat confusing/disorienting, especially for newbie users. At the very least use some color scheme variation. Alternatively, it should not be difficult to have, say, another version of the "software freedom your way" with the location of the D, and the text, and the distro name shuffled up a bit. Or just a large D exceeding the viewport dimensions. 10 minutes work.

Another option is petition FOSS-supporting graphics people to contribute additional background images for better variety.

(Next post in the series: Issue #8)

#55 Re: Installation » My Chimaera install issues #1: Forced manual choice of LXQt WM » 2021-07-22 21:35:17

fsmithred wrote:

The current chimaera installer isos (and live isos) are alpha level. They should work essentially the same as previous installer isos. That they don't is no surprise. The default desktop is supposed to be xfce, and if you select something else, you should get what you select.

I didn't select LXQt as my default desktop environment; although I did select multiple desktop environment for installation.

Plus, even if I had selected it to be the default during installation - there should still be an automatic selection of window manager for the user on their first login. Either that, or the installation should mandate making that selection beforehand.

#56 Re: Installation » My Chimaera install issues #1: Forced manual choice of LXQt WM » 2021-07-22 21:33:21

rolfie wrote:

What was your intention? Just install Chimaera with XFCE as desktop? Or did you want to install several DEs?
...
My guess: you may have ticked more than one DE. This may go along with several Window Managers.

Yes, I had checked several desktop environments. That's a perfectly reasonable and acceptable thing to do.

rolfie wrote:

I have done various Chimaera installations by now, and have not experienced such problems. Well, I usually do a cli install and then after a reboot do install either Mate or Cinnamon manually.

Well, that's not the typical scenario...

rolfie wrote:

On page https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … all-devuan there is a nice guide including screenshots of all the relevant installer pages. Please refer to topic 17. I think the screenshot misses the tick for XFCE as default. I usually just leave the standard system utilities ticked and do the rest manually.

It doesn't make sense to expect that people not-select offered installation tasks... and the way to handle such an issue is to fix the installation, not to tell users to go look up things in the manual...

And just to clarify - I'm not asking for help, I've managed just fine; I just want the installation and post-installation behavior to be smoother and more reasonable for other users.

#57 Installation » My chimaera install issues #6: lxqt-pm shouldn't be autorun on desktop » 2021-07-22 19:25:51

einpoklum
Replies: 4

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

After starting a session for the first time (using LXQt and Muffin as the window manager), lxqt-powermanagement is run. I'm pretty sure this should not be run automatically on a desktop machine.

(Next post in the series: Issue #7)

#58 Installation » My chimaera install issues #5: Complaint about battery on a desktop » 2021-07-22 19:14:03

einpoklum
Replies: 0

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

After starting a session for the first time (using LXQt and Muffin as window manager), I get a message on the bottom right of my monitor complaining about the lack of a battery. Well, why would I have, or need, a battery - on a desktop machine? I don't think I had done anything to indicate the system is a laptop or is otherwise battery-powered.

(Next post in the series: Issue #6)

#59 Installation » My chimaera install issues #4: root credentials demanded after login » 2021-07-22 19:10:02

einpoklum
Replies: 2

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

Each time I log in with my user credentials and the desktop environment comes up (specifically, Cinnamon, or LXQt + Muffin), I am immediately faced with a dialog asking for root credentials for "rfkill".

Asking for root credentials automatically is unacceptable in terms of User Experience. Even a one-time requirement is excessive, because either the user is supposed to be able to have rfkill run (directly or via some setuid executable), or s/he isn't, in which case that should be attempted by default.

Users who don't know what rfkill is would feel scared, or even assaulted, by this prompt.

At the very least this request should be preceded by a dialog box asking "Would you like to configure/enable the rfkill utility?" Perhaps with some explanation of what that utility is.

(Next post in the series: Issue #5)

#60 Installation » My chimaera install issues #3: Misleading LXQt WM choice » 2021-07-22 19:05:23

einpoklum
Replies: 2

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

When logging into my user the first time, I'm offered several options for my "Default Window Manager" for LXQt. One of these options is to  "choose my favorite one", but - that just opens up a filepicker, which is not what the user expects. The menu option name should be clearer, e.g. "Locate a window manager" or "Choose manually" or "Choose arbitrary file" or whatever.

PS - Don't worry, this is the last complaint about LXQt and WM choice :-)

(Next post in the series: Issue #4)

#61 Installation » My chimaera install issues #2: Can't abort LXQt WM choice » 2021-07-21 21:54:39

einpoklum
Replies: 22

(This is part of a series of posts following my installation of Devuan Chimaera; for more information see the first post).

When logging into my user (created during installation) the first time, I'm offered several options for the "Default Window Manager" for LXQt. I should have the option to cancel - e.g. so as to be able to choose another desktop environment - but I don't! mad

(Next post in the series: Issue #3)

#62 Installation » My Chimaera install issues #1: Forced manual choice of LXQt WM » 2021-07-21 21:50:47

einpoklum
Replies: 16

(Skippable) Introduction

This is the first post in a series of posts I'll make to this forum, as suggested to me on our IRC channel (#devuan on libera.chat). It follows my experience of installing the current Devuan development release, Chimaera.

In this series I'll bring up 15-17 issues - bugs, annoyances and such - which I've noticed and jotted down during, or rather and right after my  installation. I am certain that many, and probably most, of the issues are actually with Debian Bullseye rather than with Chimaera per se, but I can never quite tell. Plus, hopefully some folks here are also in touch with Debian people and upstream package maintainers etc.

Before proceeding, let's mention that I used an installation ISO, written to a bootable USB disk; I installed to a new SSD I had gotten (although I had hooked it up via USB, and couple of adapters, at first). I did not perform an apt-get dist-upgrade; nor did I mass-migrated anything from the old installation: Not `/etc/`, not `/var` subdirectories, nor even my user's home folder. And whatever I did bring over happened after encountering the issues I'll report here - so it's a pristine installation, except that some block devices with files get mounted.

Actual issue #1:

When logging into my user (the one I created during installation) the first time, without choosing a desktop environment (not even looking at the menu for those) - I'm offered several options for my "Default Window Manager" for LXQt. But - I had not chosen LXQt to be my desktop environment in the first place. Has the default really changed to LXQt? I was under the impression xfce is supposed to be the default. Anyway, supposing that it has, there's some faulty logic here w.r.t automatic choice:

  • If the distribution is willing to make an automatic choice of desktop environment, why not make a choice of window manager as well? A newbie user will likely be taken aback when required to choose something the meaning of which they don't quite know, with options that mean nothing to them. It would make more sense to auto-choose a default there, as well.

  • On the other hand, if a manual choice is deemed necessary, then - the first-ever choice of desktop environment should be manual/explicit as well. Personally, I was surprised to learn I was going to get LXQt.

(Next post in the series: Issue #2)

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