I have a joke!

Who is doctor who?

You answer,

I ask but who is he?

Repeat, repeat, repeat

I say, who are you talking about though?

repeat repeat repeat

You flustered and exasperated

Me snickering at how silly the situation is.

Well you aren't the first person to drive me nuts today, so its forgivable I guess.

Nor are you the worst...

My behaviour mostly didn't change because I hadn't known how to properly.

The mid key highlight was something I was oblivious to/didn't think about. Some places I did, this wasn't one of them. Go figure, my mind has been in a weird place lately.

EDIT: Just as an add, sometimes I have been lost inside or my memory screws itself up. Its only a few years ago, I learned of a tragic issue. And that's about it.

Probably best to get back on topic though, right?

When I brought up that stuff up about systemd and other linux frameworks, I considered it similar problems. Hence me bringing it up.

The worst is dbus though.

Escaping that mess is a hell on linux.

That's why my main distro is making a fork of OpenBSD instead of continuing the dying linux leanness trend.

Are you volunteering to take on that task? big_smile

Resources in addition to this forum include:Are you volunteering to take on that task? big_smile

That depends, I usually don't use devuan, its more like a backup for me. Also, I know barely any coding, due to what some might call "laziness"

I usually learn what I think I need to accomplish what I want unless it drains me too much.

PS, I think I learned how to quote a small amount just now instead of the whole post.

middle key after highlighting what I want to quote, seems to do the job.

No one told me this, otherwise I would have sooner, to avoid the pointless jabs at my whole quoting.

I don't like being jabbed at, lecture, or shouted at.

If its in all caps, especially.

I don't really code even for my usual OS, Hyperbola. That should say how much coding can be a drain on me.

Although, sometimes I can make small changes to pkgbuilds at least. Thanks to them being plain text written in a language format that you can open with text editors. Not sure if you can with .deb packages.

I take it you read this then

https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Systemd

The bottom part of it?

This being said,  I guess I do rant a lot. I wouldn't say I do it that often though, given I am not on devuan forums that often as a whole. When I do, sure, but its not that often. This being said, I am hardly the only one who does this.

However Doing something probably would help if I knew how/what

Iceweasel-uxp, for me, no dbus required!  But you do need patches to build it currently, which I have. But that takes a few hours.

As for the alternative, go palemoon or basilisk-browser.

The forum has instructions on how to deal with the discourse problem too and SOME other problematic blockade websites.

All the other websites are bloat, ugly and/or insecure in design.  Why else would google not block them but in fact try to get in the way of uxp with their stupid useragent sniffers?

Answer = google is a pile of a dodo but also they can exploit the newer ones much easier.

Forgot to say this,

AWFUL!

Without the quotes, it said permission denied for some reason. No idea why.

steve, most things redhat makes are on that level... I kid you not. dbus, is the hardest to remove that I know of.

Point being, the problems started before systemd even was conceived. I have learned this by web searches, chats, research, info, etc...

the fact that so many things depend on dbus and other irrelevant dependencies when better options exist, yet people choose to use these...

I mean dbus fingerprints your hardware id! What possible reason does this make any sense?

Aiye...

then there is pulseaudio, pipewire, avahi, etc...

Even if you don't use those programs, their libraries are still required to install most things on mainstream distros, even if the programs work without them just fine.

Devuan though not mainstream still has some of this.

Dependencies should always be required ones that are needed to make it function. If dependencies required is anything more than that, its a freedom breaker. Its the devs way of saying, "We want you to use this!"

Why should they have a say? Answer: They shouldn't.

I guess K.I.S.S has been abandoned by mainstream distros and even some derivatives.

Archlinux being the biggest hypocrite of the bunch...

Lightweight my ass.

Yeah, I am aware the last flash is a self-destructing one.

The best option honestly, for using flash, would be to make an open source version of it and make it work without needing adobe's second to last version.

Maybe if someone made an open source replacement it could be vastly less vulnerable to security issues when used with the open source version.

The only reason people cater to microsoft, is greed and stupidity...

Although, they mostly are a part of the same package.

Microsoft is the definition of:

Security? what's that? We just install a lot of backdoors in our system and when people complain we pretend they don't exist and mine their info despite the risk that we could kill the planet with our data centers!

And then we say, what could possibly go wrong like a bunch of greedy egomaniacs ...

When I heard Debian discontinued Debian 8, I said you better bring it back or I will make it come back even if it is a stretch, buster!

minor edit!