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I'm sure it will be corrected, ncurses aptitude is good (compliments HOAS), if you are not anathema towards KDE programs then muon is a nice alternative to synaptic.
https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software)
https://packages.debian.org/buster/muon
https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show … ent=137507
Hey we had handshakes and toasts.
Whodini - Friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRn2VQWNkgA
@ChuangTzu, Thanks for the links-exactly what I wanted.
Thanks @ChuangTzu. Been wondering if the presentations would be posted on the dyne channel. No, they havent.
Watched Demystifying Init, didnt catch anything else. Now I can!
You are both most welcome.
Thank you for doing this ChuangTzu. Everything will be posted to the website once it is edited. If you have the time, please post this list in the announcements section and I can sticky it next time I'm here. I made one small correction to the list. KatolaZ' talk is "The Quests for Minimalism" - plural - because there are many ways to get there.
The atmosphere here is amazing. I think that the brainpower collected in that room could light the city of Amsterdam!
Edit: I see that Fredd has the title singular on the video. Will ask i to change that.
Thank you for the corrections, tired eyes I had last night.
Sure thing, I will post it today, and work on Day 2's links later today as well.
Hi Roger, welcome to the forums!
Roger wrote:seek some reassurance that I could run my current set of some 800 packages on Devuan. They include compilers, apache2, samba and the usual utilities.
The Devuan repositories have almost all of the Debian packages so the transition should be pretty painless.
I love your website btw
Welcome Roger!
Agreed, regarding the repos and Roger's website. Love and miss simple websites. Long Live BBS/CBBS.
I had some time on my hands tonight: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2782
Devuan 1st Conference 2019, Day one, planet Earth, Amsterdam:
Katolaz: The Quests for Minimalism
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=1881
Laurent Bercot: Demystifying Init
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=7622
Jaromil and parazyd: Git, Devuan SDK, package builds, Building Devuan
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=17054
https://devuan.org/os/distro-kit
Fsmithred: How to make your own Linux distribution (could also be a demonstration that abiword actually works)
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=22497
Oh and Miyo in the live chat.....
golinux, we could make this a sticky somewhere, or make it "prettier" for the website....
Come on guys.....
“Vulgarity is no substitute for wit”
― Julian Fellowes
PS: regarding minimalism, don't recall it being mentioned in the video...minimalism with code is the concept of reducing code with each release, ie: the code shrinks rather then grows.
PSS: for the 1st conference, you guys are doing well, don't worry about the minor glitches, that will get worked out with each conference.
Can we please stop this before it starts and not pollute a third forum with the same bullshit that infected FDN and DUF?...It would be a great shame if the Devuan forums went the same way as the other two. Please can we not let this place suffer the same fate.
Well I cannot seem to find a handshake, pinky promise emoji or beer toast so these will have to do:
Ref for emojis:
https://emojipedia.org/handshake/
https://emojipedia.org/clinking-beer-mugs/
How is the attendance?
Good luck!
Guzheng: "Spring River Flower Moon Night"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujzMHLac404
and
Moon Reflected on Erquan Pond - Erhu solo by Zhou Wei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_K54nEqfSo
It would seem that some here haven't seen many "pwned" sites, nor that many such sites are cracked by so called "script kiddies"...
There are a few notable issues with this: Just because it's April 1st, doesn't mean a website which appears to have been cracked on that date hasn't actually been cracked and that simply because it appears to be an April 1st hoax, doesn't mean that it automatically is one, simply by virtue of it being April 1st.
Social engineering, i.e. lulling victims into a false sense of security or simply playing to their greed, arrogance / self importance are all more important in stealing data than the actual exploits / tools used.
I don't see the main problem as being with the prank page, but in how the whole prank was perpetuated on the project's mailing lists, at the expense of many of those around the world who may not see the significance of April 1st.
Exactly, the prank page was one level, the major issue, however, were the three D's (denial, deceit, delusion) that was exhibited via social media, irc and the forum. Once the issue was raised it could have been handled as "Happy April Fools from Devuan dev's". They could have even offered a Devuan edition of a "Green Hat" for purchase/donation, USB with Devuan installed that has a faux gopher tail attached etc....
Live and learn, I've been around long enough to know that.....Time for another cup of tea (Moroccan mint green tea is brewing....)
ChuangTzu wrote:Why would anyone want to pretend their website was hacked, and then go on for several hours via social media, irc and the forum, pretending and reinforcing that it was hacked?
Because they were laughing at the clueless idiots, perhaps?
I may have my head on a stick but you folks seem to have a stick up your arse, please get over this and move on.
I see you brought the same level of maturity to Dev1 that you display at FDN.
True story...
After looking at all of that green on the page, it made me want a pickle.
Deli, Dill, Garlic, gherkin?
Ron wrote:Making your own website looked hacked, that's the real stupidity.
Why would genuine hackers change the home page if they wanted to plant malware? Think about it...
Why would anyone want to pretend their website was hacked, and then go on for several hours via social media, irc and the forum, pretending and reinforcing that it was hacked?
pulsar wrote:For what it's worth, I knew virtually nothing about Devuan until I saw an article referencing the "pwned" page and it prompted me to research the project. Now I have a registered account on the project forum...Just flashed ascii release to usb.
Talking heads aside, can we take a second and appreciate this post?
All press is good press. Any serious project gets dumped on from time to time. That should be a good sign.@pulsar, welcome to the madhouse.
Any press is good press, seriously? https://www.thebalancesmb.com/myth-any- … ss-2295839
https://ereleases.com/pr-fuel/biggest-pr-myth-of-all/
Dear dev1ners,
Let us not forget that none of us...NONE OF US...are perfect. We are human and make mistakes...whether intentionally or not. Just look at my own personal latest nervous-jerkdown as an example...
. I completely blew Miyo out of the water. I lost trust. Yet...there were folks who understood.
With this latest situation, I quickly realized that it was an April Fool's joke after seeing that my "report" of a hack wasn't responded to by an administrator...whom I knew had seen my report. Does that negate the problem that was created? No.
...but we are all human, and we all make mistakes.
Let's not forget that there are real people (who work behind the scenes) to bring us a non-systemd distro...and VERY often, their tireless efforts are without acknowledgment...while things are going good.
I work in water treatment...
No one has anything to say when the water is nice and clear...but let something happen that causes a problem, and they're all over that! LOL! I work holidays and weekends so that folks can have safe water to drink. I think that I've had a total of 3 Christmas days off in the last 25 years (not to mention other holidays and weekends)...but people don't think about that while they're celebrating the holidays with their family...that there is someone working to provide them with a service on a holiday that they're enjoying...or a weekend that they're enjoying...but that guy is having to work...and is missing time with HIS family.
I don't know all of the particulars regarding this incident...but one thing I do know...there are folks who make Devuan available for us, and they rarely receive any fanfare for their efforts and time. They work to provide us a service...much like I do.
We all make mistakes...please cut them/him some slack. Please?
Miyo, I understand where you are coming from, however, imagine if at your water treatment plant you guys decided to post a warning on your company website that
"the water was poisoned, this is a very serious situation, however, we are working on it, we are not sure if we have control of the pumps or how they got in, but we are working on it, updates will be provided...etc..."
Then people go on the companies social media sites and see the same message, go to the CEO's twitter page and see the same message.
Irresponsible. How would you feel if your bank said "we were hacked today etc..." then announced just kidding a day later. Your Dr. says, you have cancer...nah just yanking your chain.
There comes a time when people need to grow up, its not about being frat boys and sorority girls anymore. The dev's need to stop hiding behind some false hacker ethos to shrug off poor judgement. Big difference between honest mistakes and poor judgement.
Lack of response adds more weight to my above comments, also this nonsense was blasted on Devuan's official twitter page as well as retweeted on Jaromils.
Ref:
https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/11 … 6666711046
https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/11 … 3261357057
https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/11 … 5244096513
https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/11 … 9187398656
retweet:
https://twitter.com/jaromil
Followed by a lame apology for the irresponsible behavior. Basically a "my bad, we're just a bunch of hackers don't expect too much from us."
https://twitter.com/LinuxOBeardly/statu … 2033766404
From bad to worse.
More fallout:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20 … cc.en.html
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20 … ad.en.html
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20 … 20.en.html
dxrobertson wrote:
I thought the joke/page display was done internally, by a Devuan admin, as a joke.Well, that's what I thought also. Can somebody who knows what happened please inform the rest of us on the whole story, joke, or whatever it was?
Full thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20 … 4.169aaf9a
I am not sure I understand all the uproar about this. Have we lost our understanding of April fools jokes? Not saying I wasnt fooled as well, I certainly was. I actually think it was pretty funny - gopher!
So this is funny: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … a7.en.html
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 9a.en.html
Completely unprofessional and amateurish.
If this was going to be done, the dev's could have posted a message about how systemd is now completely unavoidable so starting with Devuan 3.0 init will be systemd....or announce that Lennart just joined as one of the dev's or that he is one of the VUA etc.... but the manner that this joke was handled is the same sophomoric behavior that has ruined projects/companies in the past.
Whoever decided this was a good idea should step down, because that persons' trust is now lost.
Midori looked promising a few years ago, I think falkon (was qupzilla) has a better future, for now....
The "bloody" beowulf theme parts
golinux, "bloody" could have a different meaning for our UK friends. LOL
Hello zephyr, great to see you too!
I've ugraded to beowulf:
https://i.postimg.cc/rDmn9X06/2019-03-25-173635-1280x800-scrot.png
And lost libsystemd0 in the process :-)
My compliments to the devs.
Hello there HOAS, good to see you here.
Hi Lysander.
The net install .iso is identical to the Debian installer. Refracta/Live installer is neat, but yes very different from the ncurses or graphical Debian installer(s).
PS: ahem, Beowulf is very stable so far, still techinically testing...but you may want to give that a whirl, save you a future dist-upgrade.
Go ahead and name it...they are watching after all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY
Hi dimonic....There are a few of us also interested. What sections/items did you want to help out with?