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#26 Re: Installation » Obmenu » 2025-10-31 18:40:00

Hello:

MiyoLinux wrote:

Might be a longshot, but ...

I had thought of doing that but decided not to bother the chap with this.
But seeing that I have not made much progress, I just fired a short one asking.

Hopefully he will pitch in.

Best,

A.

#27 Re: Installation » Obmenu » 2025-10-31 18:27:46

Hello:

zephyr wrote:

... obmenu2 on Crowz, try downloading tarbal ...

greenjeans wrote:

Thanks, saw those already.
But I was wanting to have the #! *.deb file to directly install in my upcoming Daedalus test.
And try it out on my Devuan Chimaera i386 1000HE installation.

greenjeans wrote:

Not sure what Miyo meant by downloading a .deb from an install ...

Hmm ...
Exactly that? Maybe ...
I don't have an installation, just a live i386 *.iso and I haven't seen it there.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#28 Re: Installation » Obmenu » 2025-10-31 15:24:01

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

maybe it's from ...

Yes, I'm quite sure of that as it seems (?) to be of their own production.
And it is part of the #! installation, at least for Bookworm.

But I have not seen it available for download or found it within the live i386 *.iso.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#29 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » "Partial ACPI Installation" on MacBook5,2 » 2025-10-31 12:30:31

Hello:

kapqa wrote:

here are some additional info

Thanks for that.  8^)

But what I am interested in is knowing if / how the OP actually solved the issue.
Or not and what steps he took while attempting to do it.
All useful information for the forum.

ie: towards getting Devuan installed on a Mac.

Best,

A.

#30 Installation » Obmenu » 2025-10-31 11:41:19

Altoid
Replies: 8

Hello:

A long time ago, this thread came to my attention:https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4897

MiyoLinux posted this:

... #!++ has repackaged obmenu to work on newer systems using python3.
... downloaded the .deb file from my installation of #!++, and I've installed it on Chimaera, Daedalus, and Ceres...it works perfectly ...

I have a live i386 CBPP / #! *.iso which works perfectly well but I cannot find the *.deb file mentioned by MiyoLinux.

Any idea as to how I can get a hold of it?
I want to test it on a Daedalus VM as a possible transition away from XFCE.

Best,

A.

#31 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » "Partial ACPI Installation" on MacBook5,2 » 2025-10-31 10:36:12

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

@deviate
Try adding this stanza to the kernel command line: ACPI_OSI=Darwin
See here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MacBookPro11,x

Did you get your Mac / ACPI issue worked out?

Whatever data you have been able to gather will be useful to others.

Best,

A.

#32 Re: Off-topic » So they asked me what I wanted for helping with the library... » 2025-10-30 02:55:43

Hello:

golinux wrote:

What a wonderful story!

Indeed.  8^D
And a just reward for your volunteer work too.

Best,

A.

#33 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Debian User Forum » 2025-10-28 14:21:31

Hello:

ralph.Ronnquist wrote:

"Fun" is something subjective, obviously.

Indeed ...

Just like the "utility" of systemd.  8^°

Best,

A.

#34 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] newer kernel needed. daedalus backports or excalibur? » 2025-10-25 12:59:10

Hello:

mclien wrote:

... any extra obstacles with excalibur?

Yes.
A non-zero chance of there being extra obstacles is to be expected with a testing Suite.
ie: Maintained but Not Released status

https://www.devuan.org/os/releases wrote:
  • testing is where the next stable suite is developed. Software is usually more up-to-date but there may still be issues. testing becomes stable “when it is ready”.

rolfie wrote:

Backports is the safe route, Excalibur means a slightly higher risk ...

+1

Best,

A.

#35 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] apt problem - cannot update upower package to newer version » 2025-10-23 22:49:34

Hello:

grunchy wrote:

thanks ...

You're welcome

grunchy wrote:

... can't get apt to update from the obsolete libupower-glib1 ...

I see ...
And if you try to purge it, it nukes the whole shebang.
A sticky wicket ...

Just an idea:
Since apt will not (for whatever reason) update libupower-glib1, you may want to try some other way to do it.

First check that your etc/apt/sources.list file does not have anything but daedalus repositories. 
ie: sometimes shit does happen. 8^°

Then see if you can get around apt upgrade not doing the job by resorting to apt install:
eg:

apt install -s libupower-glib3   # <- simulation mode

It may well replace the old version. (?)

Please let us know how you fared.
Best,

A.

#36 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] apt problem - cannot update upower package to newer version » 2025-10-23 12:50:59

Hello:

grunchy wrote:

my daedalus vm has been upgraded since ascii.

Same for my Daedalus installation with the exception of it not being a VM.

$ uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-40-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.153-1 (2025-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ 
grunchy wrote:

... checked for obsolete packages ...

For whatever reason, I have quite a few of those packages ...

$ apt list '~o' 
--- snip ---
libssl1.1/now 1.1.1w-0+deb11u1 amd64 [installed,local]
libswresample3/now 7:4.3.6-0+deb11u1 amd64 [installed,local]
######  <--- would have been listed here
libvpx6/now 1.9.0-1+deb11u2 amd64 [installed,local]
libwebp6/now 0.6.1-2.1+deb11u2 amd64 [installed,local]
--- snip ---
$ 

...  but libupower-glib1 is not one of them.

$ apt list '~o' | grep libupower-glib1
--- snip ---
$ 

That said, I do have libupower-glib3 installed ...

$ apt list | grep installed | grep libupower
--- snip ---
libupower-glib3/stable,now 0.99.20-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
$ 
$ aptitude why libupower-glib3
i   task-desktop   Depends    xorg                                                              
i A xorg           Depends    xinit                                                             
i A xinit          Recommends xterm | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
i A xfce4-session  Provides   x-session-manager                                                 
i A xfce4-session  Depends    xfce4-settings                                                    
i A xfce4-settings Depends    libupower-glib3 (>= 0.99.0)                                       
$ 

... but no upower:

$ apt list | grep installed | grep upower
--- snip ---
libcpupower1/stable-security,now 6.1.153-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libupower-glib3/stable,now 0.99.20-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
linux-cpupower/stable-security,now 6.1.153-1 amd64 [installed]
$ 
$ apt-cache policy upower
upower:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.99.20-2
  Version table:
     0.99.20-2 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/main amd64 Packages
$ 

That upower package is a recommends from the hw-probe package which I do have installed ...

$ apt list | grep installed | grep hw-probe
--- snip ---
hw-probe/stable,stable,now 1.6.5-1 all [installed]
$ 
$ aptitude why upower
i   hw-probe Recommends upower
$ 

... but I do not allow recommends in my system.

Unless I am mistaken, your 'Installed' version is the same as your 'Candidate' version:
ie: apt says that is the correct version to have in your system.

Installed: 1:0.9.23-2+devuan1.3
Candidate: 1:0.9.23-2+devuan1.3

Being a recommends and not a hard dependency, you probably don't need it.
You may want to try purging the upower package and see if the obsolete package gets purged along with it.

Then if you get complaints from the system, just reinstall it and see what gets dragged in along with it.

Please let us know how you fared.

Best,

A.

#37 Re: Off-topic » Caveat emptor -> Kingston DataTraveler Exodia M USB 3.2 » 2025-10-22 17:54:45

Hello:

kapqa wrote:

... shops here have mostly kingston drives ...

Same here, but without an official representative so it is more or less the wild west.

Not to mention all the fake/counterfeit crap with different brands stamped on them.

Moot point now as in light of my recent experience, Kingston is no longer the go-to brand I had purchased for almost 20 years without a second thought.
Not for USB sticks or SSDs for that matter.
Kingston has now gone the way of Seagate, Hewlett Packard, Texas Instruments, Sony and others.

The purchase of RAM sticks/modules is another matter as I expect that OEM branded hardware will be (?) properly specced, albeit more expensive.

Nowdays we will have to rely heavily on independent testing from whoever does that reliably.
ie: not sponsored or on a payroll.

With respect to IT gear, trust is something that takes a long time to build but once it is lost, that is that.

As always, YMMV.

Best,

A.

#38 Re: Off-topic » Caveat emptor -> Kingston DataTraveler Exodia M USB 3.2 » 2025-10-22 14:39:20

Hello:

stargate-sg1-cheyenne- wrote:

... see also this forum thread ...

Yes.
As the OP, I was the one that posted a link to this thread on that one.  8^D

Best,

A.

#39 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Flash drive weirdness » 2025-10-22 12:18:38

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

... came that way.

I see.
I assume it came in a sealed blister package without any indication of use.

I have never seen a USB drive with what you see in your fdisk printout but one never knows.
I have read that memory prices are surging lately, mainly due to dwindling stocks and foundry production having reached their limit.

It would be interesting to know the brand/model of your USBs.

It may well be that (for whatever commercial reason) the chip in the 128Gb drive is a higher capacity (eg: 256Gb or higher) but with the firmware blocking access to those sectors due to it being sold at 128Gb prices or because it is damaged and instead of binning it, the OEM decided to sell it as a 128Gb device.

That said, the only (?) answer to your OP may lie in checking the drive as suggested.
ie: a read-only check on it with dosfsck and looking at what the gnome-disk-utility says about it.

You may also want to check read/write speeds with the gnome-disk-utility, I had a nasty surprise from Kingston some time ago.
If interested see here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=7264

Whatever the result, do let us know what you find out.

Best,

A.

#40 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Flash drive weirdness » 2025-10-22 11:11:25

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

... 128 GB drive is the one ...

Is this how it came 'out-of-the-box' or did you format it?

You may want to run a read-only check on it with dosfsck and/or have a look at it with the gnome-disk-utility
It shows things that Gparted will not.

Best,

A.

#41 Re: Off-topic » Critical security flaw in sudo » 2025-10-22 11:01:36

Hello:

blackhole wrote:

... where you want to alliow someone to carry out a specific task ...

Exactly what it was written for.
I have a long list in sudoers.d, some with, some without PW, for myself.
As an added value, the auditing is also a helpful tool for remembering what was and when.

PCLinuxOS devs make the point quite well: https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201205/page11.html

Best,

A.

#42 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how to thin out the system (drivers and modules) » 2025-10-20 11:47:01

Hello:

evanescente~ondine wrote:

... zram and zstd ...
... aren't these useful?

Yes, depending on your box and hardware, they can be very useful.

See:
https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4800
https://linuxblog.io/running-out-of-ram-linux-add-zram/

evanescente~ondine wrote:

What can I remove?

That's a more difficult question which requires some research on your part.

First you need to check and see what modules are being loaded by your system.
Then check if you are actually using them.
Done that, evaluate the convenience of removing them or not.
ie: just what is the upside to doing it.

It is not hard to do: just needs work but you will learn quite a bit in the process.

See:
https://www.tecmint.com/remove-unwanted … rom-linux/

Make sure to search Dev1 on how to unload/remove* modules in a Devuan (sysvinit) system.
Debian (systemd) based installations do it according to how their installation works.

Best,

A.

* do remember to back up your system first and also make notes. ie: log your actions

#43 Re: Forum Feedback » FluxBB » 2025-10-18 09:01:29

Hello:

Camtaf wrote:

Thanks for keeping us all together ...

+1  8^)

Best,

A.

#44 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] Development and goal of Devuan. » 2025-10-15 12:00:21

Hello:

s-sg1-c wrote:

... euthanize all the "excess load" ...

Really?

Well ...
The numbers will undoubtedly be stacked against us.
But should it actually come to that, I know how to use a 12 gauge well enough.

I will not go quietly.

But when all is said and done and the dust settles down, those who waited and voted in favour will ultimately perish.
They will not know how to survive in the world they created.

The irony is that it will be a world which we actually enabled them to create.
Among other things, through our generation's lack of values, empathy, education and basic common sense.

Right ...
Enough OT* for today.

Time to step off my box, take my pill and go for a walk.

Best,

A.

* not entirely, you know what I mean.

#45 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Excalibur RC1 + Xfce + slim + auto login shows Untitled window » 2025-10-12 22:48:08

Hello:

Eeqmcsq wrote:

... really a fix, or whether it breaks something else.

Good question ...

And that's exactly what release candidates* are for: finding the answer/s.  ;^ )
* testing cycles prior to finally releasing Excalibur to stable.

There's nothing to be nervous about, just have to be patient.

Best,

A.

#46 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Excalibur RC1 + Xfce + slim + auto login shows Untitled window » 2025-10-12 20:58:21

Hello:

Eeqmcsq wrote:

... something must have changed in slim between Daedalus and Excalibur.

golinux wrote:

... some action on slim in the last few days.

There was a bug marked as done some days ago:

devuan-dev @2025-10-11 05:46 -300 wrote:

bug#857: marked as done (slim 1.4.1 auto_login window bug)   ### <--- this

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 5d.en.html

Maybe not competely squashed or [?] but not a problem, it is just RC1.

golinux wrote:

... should be ready for Excalibut release ...

Exactly.  8^D

Best,

A.

#47 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] Development and goal of Devuan. » 2025-10-12 16:03:22

Hello:

pdbq wrote:

You should add ...

I beg to differ.

The only Debian packages compatible with Devuan are the ones you will find in the Devuan repositories.
No consideration needed, it has already been considered by our devs.

Now ...
If you see a package in the Debian repositories but not in the Devuan repositories it is either because a) it is being sanitised* or b) because it is not compatible due to systemd requirements.
* something which can be a truly time consuming endeavour for our devs.

Then you have *.deb packages which are not in the Debian or Devuan repositories.
In all probability, there are very sound reasons for that being so.

Those are the ones that "shouldn't be used without careful consideration" or not at all.

Just my 0.02.

Best,

A.

#48 Re: Other Issues » Some system messages are not being logged » 2025-10-11 12:04:15

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

... "Stopping early crypto disks" ...
... expect to normally see?
... not using any disk encryption ...

In a normal and properly configured non-systemd Linux installation, log files are your best friends.

Check your /var/log/daemon.log, /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/user.log files for that specific string.
ie: 'early crypto disks' or 'starting' and 'stopping'

The data you need is there.

eg: the user.log printout on the activity of my local headless VM reads:

Oct 10 23:00:09 devuan vboxdrv.sh: Stopping VirtualBox services. 
--- snip ---
Oct 11 06:32:23 devuan vboxdrv.sh: Starting VirtualBox services.
Oct 11 06:32:24 devuan vboxautostart-service.sh: Starting VirtualBox VMs configured for autostart.

As you can see, it informs me of what went on at boot, shutdown and which script was responsible.
vboxdrv.sh and vboxautostart-service.sh.

I can find the same in messages and syslog.
Once you know which script is generating the start / stop sequence for the 'crypto disks' bit, Bob's your uncle.

Like I wrote early on, I don't use any disk encryption and would not expect to see that string anywhere in my system logs.
I think that whatever is going on in your system is indeed related to some full disk encryption setup of which you are not aware of.

Let us know what you discover.

Best,

A.

#49 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Encrypt USB? » 2025-10-10 23:27:01

Hello:

Tweedlewise wrote:

... have a 128 Gb SD micro around here I can use...

Sorry to see it did not work out.

Q: is the data you need to send your brother really the type of stuff that needs your using a veracrypt solution?

You may want to consider doing something simpler, more straightforward.
eg:
.tar.gz compression which MS stuff can handle for the directory where all the files are located and then 7zip to encrypt and PW protect.
A strong PW and AES-256 should suffice.  8^°

That ^^^ or something similarly simple.

Best,

A.

#50 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » "Partial ACPI Installation" on MacBook5,2 » 2025-10-10 21:36:40

Hello:

kapqa wrote:

... great info ...

Yes.

Every time I see someone wanting to run Linux on a Mac[whatever] I try to pitch in.
To me, it's personal and after all, hardware is just hardware but the BIOS has to be able to access it.

But thanks to crappy BIOS / DSDTs encouraged by the usual suspects, many notebooks/netbooks/laptops of various brands / CPUs have needed tweaking. Apple hardware is a prime example.

@deviate
Try adding this stanza to the kernel command line: ACPI_OSI=Darwin 
See here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MacBookPro11,x

Just in case, test this first by editing the grub configuration at boot so that the edit will not be permanent.
ie. it will apply to only that boot.

If it boots properly, carefully check the dmesg printout to see what is going on.
Save it to a *.txt file and compare the printout with / without the edit.

There may be useful data there.

Best,

A.

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