well guys.. party is over.. do you remenber the happened with grsecurity patches? well will be happened with updates maybe.. check this now, but is an important thing.. we understand all have cost.. it is too suspicious that having problems with #jessie now that they are going to #pay for sure will solve them after refusing to do in github issues panel! very very rare right?

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What is not clear? you do not see any point in these updated packages, in a serious company, and I will explain so that it is not misinterpreted:

1. Many companies for reasons of both money and loyalty to their customers (which are the most important) can not simply migrate things, the biggest example is the move from python 2.7 to python 3. of cousre that crap named python finally got a "decent stable not changin constantly" api in 3.X series

That's the reason why it's "only some packages", let's see if I was clear... and also..

2. The second thing is that it is not "some" but "on demand" if some package suddenly needs security it is included, ah of course this is only done by those who pay. The one who doesn't pay only enjoys what is there... now if I was clear?

we must read inside the lines of the freexian pages.

take into account that all the post that said somethig hard but true.. is banned as "are you tyrolling" .. interesting from Devuan forum administrations..

the problem is not Debian .. the problem is the position of the Devuan conclave.. it must work aside with Debian cos it depends of debian ..

antix team is a good aproach.. +1 for.. but i guess is more an idea of anitx/mxlinux team rather an idea of devuan teams.. that's the point

CAN YOU GUYS CHANGE THEIR MIND, well i back to work.. i must talk with tdenetwork packagers.. i found some details in the php packages.. and i remade many of them fixed for Devuan

trinity are away of KDE now.. a lot.. inclusivelly begins a muslc integration (very poor but there is).. in fact there's some plans to tqt3 (that you named qt3) integrates to qt4 and qt5 (partially right now with qt4)

yeah you missing a lot.. now is named tqt3 .. they changed a lot and still use /opt path to install until the naming space are complete (from kde to tde)

another of my proposal was make the trinity desktop the default in devuan but as aways rejected and without interes

i dont know what is "troll" but taking in consideration that sentence around trinity desktop.. was double ironic.. cos is also kde so trinity will go away also..

but  @zapper maybe we take in consideration your words.. carefully, centos disapears and redhat is paid.. so debian could be converted in a kind of shitntos.. i mean centos.. take note:

1. added suppoort and the keyword of LTS liek winbuntu looks like centos right?
2. have expernal extra repositories like deb-multimedia and now that crap of sury? like centos right?
3. now increase development and releases and have support for oldstable adn ALSO OLD OLD OLSTABLE !!! (in old days just archived and only one are used) like centos right?

puff debian the new centos.. we must take this seriusly

the point here is that if we sourcered debian pacakges to clean from shistemd, why security updates in devuan are so late? lest remenber that ExLTS packages are free of use.. of course, i grab that sources and build my own devuan packages cos devuan ones are so late ..

stop of "troll you said the true i'll will banned you"

right now i'm using Chimaera fron a upgrade,  for first time, its like testing right? foudn some things that are not confortable (well is development but let me xpalin)

in almost any daemon package seems dh_systemd seems was present:

# End automatically added section
# Automatically added by dh_systemd_enable/13.3.1
if [ "$1" = "configure" ] || [ "$1" = "abort-upgrade" ] || [ "$1" = "abort-deconfigure" ] |
| [ "$1" = "abort-remove" ] ; then
	# This will only remove masks created by d-s-h on package removal.
	deb-systemd-helper unmask

taking in consideration it comes from debian debhelper in debian are now 13 and seems autoload dh_systemd

on devuan the debhelper package must override the "auto_dh_systemd" and fil with empty section.. this is not a secret since ascii..

is an important detail .. well and a ugly way to solve .. but is nasty in so many package already in stable at debuan merged repository

sudo is a sh*t that makes a linux box acts like a windo one! puff .. is has a larrge history of several security holes, i mean several security interestelar black holes.. in fact

again talking without well knowed ! everybody can have free access to those security updates..  

i mean. this company pays for security suppor and you have freely access the work they paid for, their only benefit is stable long term usage and slow migration of the things.. practically just only does not say "works for me". hu you got it?  NOTE: of course only of those package they used.. by example server focused mostly

in fact devuan has less work cos just track security patches from debian.. so in fact debian are doing the mayor work..

I will illustrate the reason for this thread: let's say the courier package in debian is only a week old, the maintainer in devuan doesn't have to do all the work I did in december for a month (yeah i work for a month) but just reads the commits, and removes the systemd support, that's all... and that's all... this can be done in just two days... but it doesn't happen like that...

the only exception to that example are system packages like sysvinit or eloginid or very punctual things like network manager (that has problems and always block login related packages)

... but still if we talk about security patches this is practically add and go in 99% of the cases... not say "it works for me" or have more than 3 months of delays in patches for lilbrerias that have nothing to do with systemd.

security updates are behind .. so where is that work?

riht now i not have a picture cos i answered wuickly.. but your response is "invalid .. it works for me"

i offered two times fixed some problems with utf8 and rusian languaje in devuan .. the errors still happened today! ..now i only use devuan for server due desktoip is only for hackers..

agains .. stop of "it works for me.. debian is evil" and start to work property, security updates for devuan are very very slow and security period time is very little (5 years only)

right now i publish some patches for courier .. but i do not noted that updates in devuan yet! (well maybe after this will be there.. but was on december)

i have this issues with ascii .. and now i use devuan only for development and for desktop home use antix or mxlinux with init (debian in core of course)

it seems the problem relies in incomplete updates.. by example brave depens on "x" package that are not upgraded so will crash.. devuan has a very slow update project so updates are not in sync with brade that in fact is take devuan as a debian system and devian has regular updates of course..

so i only updated brave or anything when i noted well sync updates on devuan respect debian..