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#26 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2025-01-22 17:42:18

As far as utterly superficial and pointless projects go I wouldn't say it's the worst idea...

There is little to be gained from such work except the adoration of those who regard every instance of the word "systemd" to be an infection.

Documentation for any particular software project will likely contain systemd references. The project will also most likely provide unit files for systemd. These will take up a tiny amount of space (far less than the man pages many users don't read). Devuan repacking every .deb file to remove these, is a waste of time and resources - even if Devuan had these available.

Removal of every unused file associated with systemd, when system is not in use, is merely token appeasement of clueless zealots and the Devuan project should resist this. Those types of users are detrimental and no loss if they decide to move along.

#27 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2025-01-22 09:07:15

This seems offtopic, but some seem to think they are entitled to an i386 OS, maintained and developed for free.  Unfortunately that's not how it works. Big corporations such as MS kept x86_32 alive because it was in their business interests to do so. Unlike the OpenBSD project, MS had the resources and developers to do this. This was out of necessity - i.e. due to the very large number of devices still out there at the time, which could potentially have become Linux machines if MS had moved fully to 64 bit (as Intel famously attempted with IA64).

Due to the increased usage of OpenBSD/amd64, as well as the age and practicality of most i386 hardware, only easy and critical security fixes are backported to i386. The project has more important things to focus on.

https://www.openbsd.org/i386.html

The i386 platform is a Tier 2 platform in FreeBSD 13.0 and later.

https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/i386/
(And by 15.0-release i386 will be unsupported)

Support for the platform is on the decline due to the declining numbers of machines still in use.  CPUs of the current platform, amd64, have been in production for over 20 years.

As to systemd files in Devuan, the project's standpoint is correct: Packages will come with harmless bits and pieces, such as unit files, which are not worth the trouble removing. If someone regards those files as being equivalent to systemd being installed, then you probably can't help them, as they are likely a) misinformed,  b) ideologically and emotionally driven and c) don't have the technical aptitude to learn and correct their misapprehension. If you don't like what's on offer, you aquire the skills and build your own. If you lack the skills to do this, then you either pay someone who can or you just use what's on offer.

#28 Re: Off-topic » Getting there, slowly but steadily ... » 2025-01-20 13:55:51

They won't boot out a developer who works for one of the big paymasters...

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

Quality control was never that great however...

#29 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] "A future for the i386 architecture" and other good(???) news » 2025-01-03 13:17:35

Just need to get a bucketload of money from somewhere and we're good to go...

#30 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] "A future for the i386 architecture" and other good(???) news » 2025-01-03 08:51:49

The problem with this older amd64 hardware is the perceived security flaws in those chips. This is all marketing strategy - MS are happy if Linux or the BSDs are perceived as something you install on old junk, so there is no incentive for them to take any interest in killing i386 - you can squarely blame the Debian project / lack of maintainers for that.

The next generation of "old junk" is the 64 bit hardware which is vulnerable to spectre/meltdown which MS intentionally ended support for with Windows 11. Again MS won't have too many problems with Linux and BSDs being installed on that - but they also know that many users will get Windows 11 installed on that "unsupported" hardware regardless. This is the same mindset, as "at least they're running Windows". See "security theatre" for what it is.

#31 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] "A future for the i386 architecture" and other good(???) news » 2025-01-02 18:22:25

Someone has to volunteer and step up to do the work to maintain an i386 or other obsolete architecture OS. Charities may provide obsolete computers to the developing world, but they don't provide or maintain the OS.

Soon there will be tons of old amd64 hardware up for grabs, quite ironically thanks to Windows 11. At that point any perceived problems with phasing out i386 will be much smaller, decisions much easier for those maintaining an OS.

The real issue here, is the prevalence of IME/PSP in newer amd64 CPUs along with faux security features such as Secureboot, TPM chips, and as time goes on the choice is getting much narrower to the point where the x86 platform is no longer a viable choice for anyone who values privacy. Make no mistake about it : MS and its OEM cartel were up to their necks in this mutual back scratching.

Intel walked away from spectre/meltdown with barely a scratch - fast forward to the present and it's going to sell a lot more CPUs thanks to MS Windows 11...

The sad reality is that the whole x86 platform is a lost cause and the key players in that platform are some of the biggest donors to the Linux kernel and are bankrolling and steering projects such as wayland, systemd and Debian.

#32 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] "A future for the i386 architecture" and other good(???) news » 2025-01-02 09:22:46

I doubt i386 is significant enough to be a target for the likes of MS.

The real project for forced hardware obsolescence has been Windows 11 and ending of support for older Core architecture CPUs. i386 is likely just being phased out due to it being very niche these days. You can get a Pentium 4 from 20 years ago and install an amd64 OS on it after all.

As mentioned above, FreeBSD and OpenBSD have all abandoned architectures over the years. Dragonfly BSD dropped i386 over 10 years ago.

#33 Re: Off-topic » Preventing System Penetration by Deep State Actors when Live Streaming » 2024-12-19 15:05:08

Nothing theoretical about the Deep State. Pull your head out of the sand. The DS are the communists. Big Oil (Rockefellers et al, Banksters et al, Bill Gates et al) are the communists (Khazarian Cabal) which are being taken by the Military Alliance with DJT who has President and Wartime C-i-C (Commander-in-Chief) since 2016.

The "deep state", has to be theoretical, in order to be the deep state...  you cannot prove it exists, even though there are several theories.  Yes there are theories, but most are what amounts to bullshit spread by the misinformed, or disinformation spread by "conspiracy theorists" wanting to make money out of gullible people / amass followers / all of the above.

It seems that you actually believe that the "deep state" and tech billionaires such as Bill Gates are "communists" (rather than capitalists).  You must have a very poor understanding of communism.  It appears to me that you are subscribing to the popular US idea of a "left", i.e. a left which isn't a left at all, but some form of "right wing authoritarian" politics.

The anti zionist conspiracy, fueled by the "Khazar hypothesis", has long since been dis-proven (via genetic testing) and has no basis at all.

#34 Re: Off-topic » Preventing System Penetration by Deep State Actors when Live Streaming » 2024-12-18 01:10:25

Yes ... I think you flatter yourself that the "deep state" would be interested in your "politics".  This is right down there with "just stop oil" et al. I.e. there are no teams of professional "hackers" working around the clock to bring down your operation...

The theoretical deep state is only concerned about credible socialist/communist political parties/movements, as they pose the potential threat to the wealth and power of the ruling classes. They are not concerned about right wing nationalist, white supremacist, "alt right" or similar nationalist groups.

Anyway, if the "deep state" are out to get you, then your choice of OS would probably be largely irrelevant. Best if you all stay offline and buy a job lot of pagers...

#35 Re: Off-topic » Preventing System Penetration by Deep State Actors when Live Streaming » 2024-12-17 19:17:54

"...disintegration of Australians' fundamental rights and freedoms, into a totalitarian communist state"

I stopped reading there, as would most reasonably intelligently people.

Any "deep state actors" you may refer to aren't interested in this kind of group - in fact those kinds of groups, including far right, nationalist and white supremecist groups, are understood to be utilised and nurtured by theoretical deep states around the world.

This is likely a combination of paranoia, computer illiteracy, existing unrelated malware, the platform itself, i.e. server load, or those clients trying to connect using Tor Browser for example. You should examine the far more credible causes first.

#36 Re: Installation » Remote directory for updates deb.devuan.org not work !!! » 2024-12-12 13:31:50

With next to no useful information to go on, a posting style reminiscent of trolling and very entitled attitude, I doubt this OP can be helped.

#37 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Ctrl+Alt+F1...6 freezes desktop and unable to get to console » 2024-12-12 13:03:52

That's a separate issue.  Unfortunately, as per my earlier post, you may have to install the nvidia proprietary driver.  To get stable performance, and working power management.

#38 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Ctrl+Alt+F1...6 freezes desktop and unable to get to console » 2024-12-12 09:50:49

That's good to know. I believe those lines cause display problems with kernel mode setting drivers. With KMS you don't use that method to set the console resolution anymore. Instead you need to set the console font size.

#39 Re: Off-topic » US Proposes Forcing Google to Sell Chrome . . . » 2024-12-10 14:24:27

Sakura is a decent terminal emulator.  Unfortunately, I'm almost 99% certain it doesn't support pseudo transparency (just tested it here on FreeBSD 14.1 and it seems you need a compositor running).  Unless you're completely averse to compositors you could try xcompmgr, which is very lightweight and easy enough to configure in just a single command line to run from .xsession / .xinitrc.

#40 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Ctrl+Alt+F1...6 freezes desktop and unable to get to console » 2024-12-06 12:22:41

First, as part of a process of elimination:

GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep

Comment those two lines, then:

# update-grub

Reboot

If that changes nothing, revert the change and run "update-grub" again.

At that point, the problem is most likely related to the Nouveau driver.

The driver has "power management" listed as "WIP" for NVE0 here:

https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html

So with a laptop ,you may be better off abandoning the attempt and pursue trying to get the nvidia proprietary driver installed and working instead.

#41 Re: Other Issues » Install packages / software to an offline machine... » 2024-12-04 09:32:21

@steve_v, yes apparrently the local package install has been a feature since APT 1.1 (released in 2015). You have to specify the full path or it searches a remote repository.   I didn't know about that one - dpkg always worked for me though I suppose.

#42 Re: Other Issues » Install packages / software to an offline machine... » 2024-12-02 16:09:45

You cannot use apt / apt-get / aptitude to install a deb file directly.

The One such tool for this is the package manager, dpkg.

To install offline, get the packages, including all of the dependencies along with the dependencies of the "recommends", if you feel you will need those as well (you most likely will), and put them all in one directory within your $HOME, cd to that directory, then:

# dpkg -i *deb

#43 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-11-20 13:55:49

yeti wrote:

Levelled?
Like "only a good one with an AI can stop a bad one abusing AI"?
I do not buy that!

JWM-Kit has a valid point and argues from a realist perspective - ideology and moralising won't stop the development of GAI by "Big Tech".  As with splitting the atom, you can't put this "AI" thing back in the box and just forget about it and/or ban it.  You cannot go and smash the printing presses as the Luddites did and even if you did, the presses will be remade (as they were).

It will be used and is being used (MS Copilot), in the next phase of the ever expanding global surveillance/spying/profiling/telemetry infrastructure which permeates today's web and computing platforms.  Without free and open alternatives, this "AI" will be squarely in the hands of "Big Tech" only, who will use that as leverage to more firmly cement the monopolies it has been building throughout the web and within "open source" for the last 15 to 20 years.

It is also being used in defense, "Project Maven" for example.  The problem is already far larger than most realise...

#44 Re: Off-topic » systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin » 2024-11-15 14:26:22

Yes, they have planned this - as in their view they are directing things. Systemd/Linux is Linux, everything else is irrelevant to their plan. The biggest projects, including the Linux kernel, are now bankrolled, developed and staffed by corporations such as Microsoft, Alphabet, IBM/Red Hat, Meta and Amazon, to name but a few. Hence the arrogance - i.e. if you're not a corporation, or someone in the pay of one, your views simply don't matter - so you run along and develop your own OS.

The "MS registry" or svchost nonsense isn't helpful. This just shows systemd fans that many of its critics are clueless. The gnome people love MS and Apple, so they  came up with gconf and later dconf, binary config dbs. Svchost is more like inetd. Systemd was inspired by Apple launchd, but has become a huge all encompassing thing that seeks to replace or touch almost every part of the base OS. They have put themselves in a position where they can now force through pretty much anything they like with the usual: "if you don't like it, fork it, but we're going to make it so difficult, you'll just give in and do it our way in the end..."

#45 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Firefox 128.3.1esr *not* clearing history on closing » 2024-11-14 18:18:34

My interpretation was that this is more a matter of removing browsing history on closing the browser - quite different from anonymity.

Tor browser does that by default because it's set to private browsing mode or not to store history at all - can't remember which,  as I haven't used it in years.

#46 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Firefox 128.3.1esr *not* clearing history on closing » 2024-11-14 14:33:23

I would avoid bleachbit.  Totally unnecessary, Windows style, registry cleaner.  If you have an SSD, constantly wiping and recreating the cache data is not a good thing.

Post #2 actually refers to removing the cache, which is counterproductive - unless you're absolutely paranoid - and won't remove the browsing history.

The file(s) you would need to remove are actually in the profile directory

The following should remove all browsing history from all profiles (or modify the below just to target your profile directory).

$ rm ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/places.sqlite

You could place this in a simple script to start firefox and run that on exit.

#47 Re: Off-topic » Several Russian Linux Kernel Maintainers Removed » 2024-11-08 09:16:31

@zapper, you are terribly misinforned with regards to FreeBSD. Please educate yourself and return with some fact based critique.

@stopAI, there's no more to know - he's spreading what amounts FUD. Some facts here on GPL in base:

https://wiki.freebsd.org/GPLinBase

The only code FredBSD ports from the Linux kernel that I know of is the KMS/DRM graphics driver stack, which is deveoped by Intel and AMD, among others and permissive licensed. NetBSD and OpenBSD also port this same code.

Daemons are from greek mythology, but that's irrelevant - it's just a mascot/logo. If you have a problem with it, it's just your problem and you choosing to take offence. Improperly prepared pufferfish probably killed more people than daemons.

#48 Re: Off-topic » Several Russian Linux Kernel Maintainers Removed » 2024-11-05 08:50:25

FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD all still mainain an i386 port.  FreeBSD moved their's to Tier 2 level support (niche architectures), but that's to be expected really.

#49 Re: Packaging for Devuan » about debian, a warning » 2024-10-31 09:25:33

It isn't the 'unix way', those programs were kept separated for a reason, the root user only could access the system programs, which kept things safe.

I think you may confusing this with bin and sbin seperation.

This is about merging /lib, /lib64, /sbin and /bin into the directories of the same name under /usr

They would become symlinks and nothing more. It may do no harm, but I'm not sold on it being necessary. Historically those directories were in / because /usr may have been on a separate partition and therefore not available in certain circumstances. The rest of the maintenance related points are just "problem, reaction, solution" politics. The maintenance issue is one they have created by merging and are now proposing to solve in suggesting all others should do the same. And you can be sure it won't stop there...

systemd project are citing "compatibility" with other "Unixes" in particular Solaris, which they have absolutely never cared about before. Suddenly Solaris is the "primary Unix implimenation", the BSDs are never mentioned. Solaris has been in maintenance mode since the last release in 2018, it's future was in serious doubt since the aquisition by Oracle and when most of the developers were laid off in 2017. The references to Solaris is simply smoke and mirrors to coerce / convince the general Linux fans to spread the word, as they did with regard to systemd itself.

#50 Re: Packaging for Devuan » about debian, a warning » 2024-10-30 16:33:06

Old news maybe...

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6435

Devuan are facing the scenarios pushed in the agenda driven systemd article above - i.e. they are forced to implement usrmerge, because Debian are on that route anyway and to not implement it would mean people, time and resources that the project doesn't have.

i386 arch removal is a separate thing, as far as I know.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a … 00003.html

It's most likely corporate driven though, at least partially.  In the past, maintainers had no problem supporting obsolete architectures until they eventually ran out of steam - nowadays there is a corporate driven roadmap of planned obsolescence at play in the background.  The corporations fund the Linux Foundation and the major distributions and set the goals and the general vision, as well as steering developers on what to / not to work on.  Saying that, i386 can't last forever.  AMD/Intel released their first amd64 arch CPUs in 2003/2004.  If you have an x86 computer older than that (a roughly 20 year old machine), then it's likely you would have that computer for a specific purpose and would need to run an older release of whichever OS anyway.

Some of the arguments in systemd's usrmerge advocacy blog are valid, some are just laying it on too thick.  If something is good, it should be adopted, if it isn't it should be avoided.  No one started using Linux because its developers sat down and wrote long winded advocacy pieces, with myth and facts sections.  This is yet another push for "standardisation" by the systemd project, an effort to draw lines between systemd/Linux and the alternatives, coerce distributions and other projects to follow suit, and leave those alternatives behind / playing catch up / struggling due to lack of developers and corporate funding.

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