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#376 Re: Off-topic » A peek into the future of distros » 2021-02-08 07:33:15

yeti wrote:

(Hackaday) Holding A Mirror Up In Front Of GNU/Linux
This is basically just a pointer to the next link, but sometimes interesting comments show up on Hackaday, so I thought mentioning this one may lead to more pointers, links, insights, ... for this discussion.

Why you should migrate everything from Linux to BSD

that was a good read, i was unaware red hat is mixed in with the us military.

#377 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2021-02-08 07:29:19

czeekaj wrote:

Chromium will give more ads on Google. None relevant but I wanted to try ungoogled. However,
I see iceweasel is in the repos. How does it differ from firefox? All my add-ons previously installed work. All my bookmarks and history are intact? It seems identical to mozilla. I cannot discern a difference but I think I will use iceweasel for now just for the Spirit of it.

In regards to iceweasel, it is firefox-esr.

Explanation...
https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox

Iceweasel

From Debian Etch through Debian Jessie (9th June 2016), Mozilla Firefox was not available in Debian with the official name or branding. Instead, Debian shipped a free-software version rebranded by Debian, named Iceweasel. This fork was maintained because of a disagreement with Mozilla regarding backporting of the security fixes to DebianStable, and as the result could not use trademarked Mozilla artwork.

Starting from DebianStretch, the iceweasel package has been made a transitional package for firefox-esr. Normal Debian support policies, including patches for bug fixes, apply to the package.

#378 Re: Off-topic » Question about Linux kernel (as relates to systemd) » 2021-02-07 16:03:06

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

So in what way does the Linux kernel follow the Unix principle of "do one thing and do it well"?

Do you not agree that the kernel is even more monolithic and bloated than systemd?

Well that is as what the op mentions as apples vs oranges. Systemd is not a kernel?

#379 Re: Off-topic » Question about Linux kernel (as relates to systemd) » 2021-02-07 15:21:13

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
dice wrote:

the project lacks a serious amount of documentation

I don't think so:

$ apropos systemd | wc -l
188
$

The man pages are extensive and comprehensive. See also https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

So are the issues.. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issu … s%3Aclosed

#380 Re: Off-topic » Question about Linux kernel (as relates to systemd) » 2021-02-07 14:52:51

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ I said I didn't want to start an argument wink

Can we try to stay on topic? What do you think about the comment described in the OP?

I would liken systemd to svchost.exe to answer your question wink

#381 Re: Off-topic » Question about Linux kernel (as relates to systemd) » 2021-02-07 14:44:14

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The Linux kernel is an example of a monolithic kernel, which can be contrasted with the microkernel paradigm.

And just to note that "GNU" stands for "GNU's Not Unix" — Linux has never really adhered to UNIX principles anyway. I would also mention that systemd is actually very modular in it's design with *many* compilation and configuration options that can be used to filter out unwanted functionality and also that systemd offers a unified collection of userspace control programs that is *very* similar to the way that all of the true UNIX® systems work but I wouldn't want to start an argument big_smile

http://soggywizards.com/tips/code/os/in … -bad-ugly/

Last I checked, SystemD had sixty-eight separate binaries. So it's not directly monolithic as so many of the ill-informed assert.

#382 Re: Off-topic » Question about Linux kernel (as relates to systemd) » 2021-02-07 14:28:54

Ive always found this somewhat of a bad design/security flaw in systemd.

machinectl

* machinectl gained a new verb 'shell' which opens a fresh
          shell on the target container or the host. It is similar to
          the existing 'login' command of machinectl, but spawns the
          shell directly without prompting for username or
          password. The pseudo machine '.host' now refers to the local
          host and is used by default. Hence, 'machinectl shell' can
          be used as replacement for 'su -' which spawns a session as
          a fresh systemd unit in a way that is fully isolated from
          the originating session.

Its been awhile since i was on a systemd controlled machine, but from memory the user is able to gain su privilege with machinectl shell providing no password? Or has this behavior changed?

#383 Re: Installation » appimages? » 2021-02-07 14:01:24

If you want my advice, dont use appimages. Use services like tutanota or protonmail and learn how to use gpg to encrypt messages over the net. Ive used tutanota to send encrypted emails that they say are end to end encrypted only for the recipient who uses yahoo is able to fully read the email i sent that was supposedly encrypted.I would be surprised if this cryptext email is actually end to end encrypted.

edit: i guess im just reiterating that the endpoint of end to end encryption is a security risk. Most services offer encrypted tansfer of emails, but if doesn't land at the other end encrypted then it is not truly end to end encrypted imo.

#384 Re: Off-topic » Question about Linux kernel (as relates to systemd) » 2021-02-07 13:50:27

GlennW wrote:

imho, I thought it, systemd stepped outside the FOSS agreement(?)/standards because the source code was not readily readable by a human.

readable perhaps...

You might mean not understandable, the project lacks a serious amount of documentation.

#386 Re: Off-topic » Kobalos malware - possibly ported to Linux » 2021-02-05 12:13:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To remove the risk completely:

# apt purge openssh-{client,server}

Be nice to see libressl ported to devuan/debian as in maintained by devuan/debian. If i was smart enough i would give it a try. Not that it matters with this type of malware i dont suppose.

#387 Re: Documentation » Panel entries for browsers that a distribution does not support » 2021-02-05 11:55:56

Ron wrote:
dice wrote:

Basilisk might be different though, i believe palemoon is a derivative of basilisk ?

No. Pale Moon's initial release was October 2009. Basilisk's was November 2017.

yeah sorry i didnt bother to search before i typed that. Thanks for clearing that up.

#388 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Solved] On-line video viewing problem with Palemoon » 2021-02-05 11:53:32

I used palemoon for a little while ages ago, some reasons i stopped using it.

1. cannot firejail it, no sandbox features that i am aware of.

2. unable to use it for banking, bank website says to update the browser as it is too old.

3. depends on dbus and unable to install it without it.

Other than that it is a pretty lightweight resource efficient web browser, but so is ungoogled chromium.

#390 Re: Off-topic » Kobalos malware - possibly ported to Linux » 2021-02-04 07:01:38

Thanks for the heads up.

From this article it says...

https://insidehpc.com/2021/02/report-se … x-malware/

To reduce the Kobalos threat, ESET suggested implementing a two-factor authentication for connecting to SSH servers because “stolen credentials seems to be one of the ways it is able to propagate to different systems.”

#391 Re: Documentation » Panel entries for browsers that a distribution does not support » 2021-02-04 06:52:50

You would better off letting basilisk/palemoon have there own directories imo instead of the Download folder.

Palemoon has a nice guide where you can softlink icons, .desktop files and binaries in the correct areas.

https://linux.palemoon.org/help/installation/

Basilisk might be different though, i believe palemoon is a derivative of basilisk ?

#392 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » SOLVED: Wicd Network Manager on MATE is unreliable » 2021-02-04 06:44:21

before you try network manager, maybe give connman-gtk a try ?

Just install the network manager or connman-gtk  first, then uninstall wicd and reboot.
If you want the applet in systray just click settings in connman-gtk and tick status-icon and launch to tray by default.
Then set autostart for connman-gtk in Startup Applications Preferences

apt install connman-gtk

Not sure about network manager, pretty sure you need the nm-applet.
I think network manager puts the applet in the systray automatically, not sure there.
so to install should be ..

apt install network-manager network-manager-gnome

#393 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Issues using "live" install on Thinkpad T410 » 2021-02-02 15:04:08

have a look at the release notes for devuan beowulf.

https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf … _notes.txt

### Workarounds for known lightdm issues/bugs

lightdm prevents some accessibility features from working and gives the
error, "Couldn't register with accessiblity bus" in ~/.xsession-errors.
(See Debian bug [#760740](https://bugs.debian.org/760740))

This can be mitigated in the current X session by running:

  xprop --root --remove AT_SPI_BUS

For a persistent solution edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to add:

    xserver-share=false

Power buttons are disabled on the lightdm login screen with elogind.
(See Debian bug [#932047](https://bugs.debian.org/932047))

Add the following line to /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter

    session   optional pam_elogind.so

#394 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Issues using "live" install on Thinkpad T410 » 2021-02-02 14:05:13

Lomax wrote:

Update: I've got suspend/resume working on lid close by using a similar route to the mic mute solution above:

/etc/acpi/events/thinkpad_lidbutton:

event=button[ /]lid
action=/etc/acpi/thinkpad_lidbutton.sh %e

/etc/acpi/thinkpad_lidbutton.sh:

#!/bin/bash

if [  "$3" = "close" ] ; then
     /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
fi

And:

sudo chmod +x /etc/acpi/thinkpad_lidbutton.sh
sudo service acpid restart

But I cannot get it to lock the screen. I changed from Slim to to LightDM and installed light-locker; from a user prompt I can issue "light-locker-command -l" and the screen will lock, but when I do this from my acpi script I get GDBus.error ServiceUnknown org.freedesktop.screensaver. Any ideas?

Nice, in regards to GDBus.error i had this recently when i installed mate desktop for a friend on their laptop.

Try installing dconf-gsettings-backend to see if that helps.

#395 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Issues using "live" install on Thinkpad T410 » 2021-02-02 11:15:31

I was about to say that on my laptop i have to hold for a good 5 seconds before i get any action. Sorry i cant help with the rest as i dont use suspend or resume. My laptop lid when closed is controlled by xscreensaver and that is all.

edit: actually xscreensaver has display power management built in for suspend after a certain time, not sure if it works though? Doesnt help with close lid and then suspend though.

#396 Re: Off-topic » easy script to mount luks encrypted drives, usb etc. » 2021-02-02 11:09:25

thats excellent fsmithred, even opens spacefm in the required directory. I dont use gvfs or polkits so this is why im doing this. Will stop work on my script now, seems to redundant lol. Thanks again

#397 Re: Off-topic » easy script to mount luks encrypted drives, usb etc. » 2021-02-02 09:57:52

I just found out that pmount does what i want as far as mounting luks encrypted usb drives.

edited out script. Im just not getting it !

#398 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Issues using "live" install on Thinkpad T410 » 2021-02-02 02:23:34

maybe post up your .xsession-errors file, that sometimes might help debug the issue.

Also are laptop-mode-tools installed, they should be but you never know.

apt install laptop-mode-tools

#400 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Issues using "live" install on Thinkpad T410 » 2021-02-01 23:31:25

Lomax wrote:

I got the volume up/down and mute buttons working via the Keyboard control panel, adding each as a separate command:

amixer sset Master 5%+         XF86AudioRaiseVolume
amixer sset Master 5%-         XF86AudioLowerVolume
amixer sset Master toggle      XF86AudioMute

But the little LED on the mute button does not come on when I mute the audio. It does on the X230 I'm typing this on though - and it has none of these application shortcuts defined in the Keyboard applet.

Lomax wrote:

Sorry about the rant. I'm afraid these have been more frequent of late. But really.

So, about that mute button...

so the mute button is working but not the led light?, that could be vendor specific for that laptop on how they control the feature i think. Maybe do a web search for "mute button led light not working lenovo T410"

Also what desktop environment is this?

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