Makes perfect sense, both reticent and garyz, and I would add on the separate hw .... purchased second hand cash.
No matrix is ever fully complete, no database is fully relational.

On the DNS server I could imagine the cost and capacity needed, but sometimes people have free resources to use voluntarily in research organizations and comm.companies.  What still amazes me is the proposal of gnunet, a serverless decentralized internet of equal peers.  What I would have thought is the future is nearly abandoned and forgotten.

I have a suspicion that systemd was providing some intermediary service to many desktop devs.  They universalized some instruction so systemd would know what you want to do and it would feed it to the appropriate daemon/service to carry out the simple task.  Desktop devs concentrating in serving the giant distros couldn't care less about the non-systemd systems.  New systems haven't gotten around to it yet in translating non-sense to sensical instructions.
So you end up downloading a desktop whose functions are systemd oriented and just do a silent blip when things don't work out.  When you try the actual instruction in terminal at least you know why the desktop is not doing anything.  Sudo synaptic has always worked for me when all else failed.
Oblogout when you install it in ascii semi works, but for each subcommand you have to test it in terminal and edit the appropriate .conf file.  For lxpanel there is a conf file that has all the systemd commands for shutdown/reboot etc, you have to transform them to oblogout instructions, and edit the oblogout.conf itself to get it to function correctly.  Pain in the neck.

The more I try to make things work the more sense Steve Litt's article makes https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/112/

One way to deal with this is a firewall that takes a while to make it functional by starting from denying all traffic and gradually building it by allowing only what is essential to you and you are consciously allowing.  Not all firewalls are designed this way, as some are based on assumptions that "normal" people (blue pill fed) don't mind traffic to google and yahoo and msn and facebook, etc.

Another way is to spend some time reading up on containers and sandboxing. Bubblewrap, firejail, flatpak, etc are ways to use internet pkgs and semi-isolate them from the rest of the system.

A cheap easy way is either firefox (if you trust it) has "private" windows, and so does midori.  I use the later when I want something to read from sites I do not trust.  With torbrowser and scripts turned off there is not much of major news and information sites that can be reached.  You can't get through the iron clouds.  But there is nothing on wikipedia that I have found that needs scripts.

Meanwhile the opennic project seems to be folding, less and less dns servers still available and fery few new ones.

I will stop here before @golinux comes and locks the thread!

Holly devuan, that 32b miyo took a long while to upgrade to ascii, all because I avoided dist-upgrade to see where I end up.  With every boot there would be more to be upgraded.

Anyone has a clue  on vdev on experimental?

You mean there is a different golinux on the list that has blocked my account from posting?  Because over the past month none of my "moderated" messages ever got to the list.  I call that "removal" and I do apologize if it is a different person baptized with the same nickname.  All I know is "golinux" saying:

[political rant]

Good grief. GET A GRIP! What you"re saying may be very true. BUT THIS 
IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. Please cultivate some restraint and THINK 
before posting if you want to continue to post here.

golinux@dyne.org

This was after A SINGLE COMMENT after weeks to a neonazi propagandist spammer.
The next thing I know is my account being moderated.  My one comment had NO PLACE there but weeks of spamming by the neonazi spammer and his "rational discussion" feeders DID HAVE A PLACE.

Go ahead golinux do what you have to do.  I am done!  For the rest, if there is a public archive of the list, as it should, look for a thread "Sexual politics and society" and judge for yourselves.  Mine is about the last post before moderation.

If you can point a single reference that points into ideology I would gladly remove it.
I really like to know because I avoid all ideology (based on the common dictionary of ideology and as described by dominant social science).
But since this is a discussion with gnuser I think he/she should have a say on it as well.
I really don't mind removing it if you help me understand on which grounds are you demanding I remove so.

Should I remind you that I am the same person you locked off the DNG list because of a SINGLE reply to a spam thread that was bogging the list for weeks?  It was not until MY message you decided to take action on the spam.

How else are we going to get to a common understanding what "free" really means in contrast to non-free if we are not allowed to talk about it?

Is surgeforge selling an alternative upload service?
I arrest my case your honor!

no udoo is the hardware, like blkberry, tiny board with 4core intel amd64 architecture and usb power.  No fans, as far as I can tell, and anything else is just like an intel-pc.  So any linux/BSD pretty much would run as far as I am told.  I have no clue what the phone capabilities are.  It seems more like a tiny pc board that it is up to you what you want to do with it.  If you want to take your home cinema and tiny projector to a camping party on a 15000' hill, now you can

I have no 1st hand experience and I have no idea how big of a phone you can tolerate, but have you looked at udoo?
They say that ubuntu is running on it as an amd64 system and someone got debian to work too.  But they are scarce and on a waiting list basis I think.  I'll keep my 17 year old nokia for a while.

Now I feel dumb, that was really easy to fix

Here are the complete instructions:

Edit your /etc/default/grub change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" to :

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"
If the biosdevname is installed you need to add :

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"

update-grub

This creates a new /boot/grub/grub.cfg and for each entry in the line that starts with Linux there is a net.ifnames=0 usually after rw and the uuid address, so you can even add it manually there and reboot to see if the longnames have vanished and eth0 and wlan0 have re-established themselves.

I found that lxpolikit fixes alot of issues back and forth, too many rights and too little rights.  Polkit just doesn't work right on openbox/lxde.  Now if you like me and a few others are running openbox without the complete lxde installation try it.  You may have to put it manually into openbox/autostart

On my 2 devuan installations both ascii, they are both eth0 and wlan0
So before I spend an hour or two to see if it would reverse the effect on the live I thought it would be faster if
I tried to get the one installed to get the long names.  As the first line didn't affect it I added the second, although
I bootted from default.  Neither try got the long names.

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet","net.ifnames=1"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=1"

On refracta would this be the correct format?

label live
    menu label ${DISTRO} (default)
    kernel /live/vmlinuz 
    append initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live net.ifnames=0 ${netconfig_opt} ${username_opt}  

On another distribution with OpenRC it has the long names.  It also has network-manager
I tried the same as above but with net.ifnames=0 and rebooted.  No difference, still got the long ones.