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Until today I could click and open synaptic and the Updater.
Today for some reason I must open Thunar as root, and navigate to
/usr/sbin/synapticand
/bin/gpk-update-viewerin order to use them.
Also Thunar vanished and had to be reinstalled!
Very strange, since I made no changes to the system yesterday. How did this happen and how can I restore them?
You could always use Arch, by the way. The latest and greatest, newest and shiniest, untested, unproven, but it still has the new car smell.
Devuan is STABLE; tested, proven, reliable. But "older" because it takes time to test and prove new software.
You might be happier on a distro like Artix because it's also systemd-free, XLibre, and built Arch.
Devuan is not going to change from it's stated purpose and goals to accommodate one user with unrealistic expectations.
Welcome!
The good folks here have been very helpful for this newbie (to Devuan) so far.
All fixed up! Boot process seems slower than before, but everything is reset to defaults, both in the BIOS and in the OS.
The output is:
ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directoryI haven't changed anything yet... still using the 'puter for other stuff today.
It returned
bash: UEFI: command not found I'll reset the bios to default I guess, then update grub. That would fix it, right?
Output of
inxi -Fzris:
robin@devuan:~$ inxi -Fzr
System:
Kernel: 6.12.86+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.1 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 6 (excalibur)
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Dell product: OptiPlex 7010 v: 01
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Dell model: 0YXT71 v: A02 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Dell
v: A16 date: 09/09/2013
CPU:
Info: quad core model: Intel Core i5-3570 bits: 64 type: MCP cache:
L2: 1024 KiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 3800 min/max: 1600/3800 cores: 1: 3800 2: 3800 3: 3800
4: 3800
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915
v: kernel
Display: unspecified server: X.org driver: X: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: crocus,swrast
platforms: gbm,x11,surfaceless,device
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 4.2 vendor: intel mesa v: 25.2.6-1~bpo13+1
renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 2500 (IVB GT1)
Info: Tools: api: eglinfo,glxinfo de: xfce4-display-settings x11: xdriinfo,
xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio
driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: Logitech Headset H390 driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid
type: USB
API: ALSA v: k6.12.86+deb13-amd64 status: kernel-api
Network:
Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 298.02 GiB used: 13.98 GiB (4.7%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST3160815AS size: 149.01 GiB
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Samsung model: HD161GJ size: 149.01 GiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 145.61 GiB used: 13.98 GiB (9.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
Swap:
Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 44.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
1: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
2: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur main non-free-firmware
3: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
4: deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
5: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
6: deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
7: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur-backports non-free-firmware non-free contrib main
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home:hawkeye116477:waterfox.list
1: deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/hawkeye116477:/waterfox/Debian_12/ /
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xlibre-debian.sources
1: deb https://xlibre-debian.github.io/devuan/ main stable
Info:
Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.65 GiB used: 1.81 GiB (23.6%)
Processes: 212 Uptime: 19h 35m Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.38
robin@devuan:~$ And out of
[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS is: nothing, no response from the terminal.
This might be it:
Start-Date: 2026-05-09 10:59:46
Requested-By: robin (1001)
Install: grub-pc:amd64 (2.12-9+deb13u1, automatic)
Remove: grub-efi-amd64:amd64 (2.12-9+deb13u1)
End-Date: 2026-05-09 11:00:53I guess that's an update?
Apologies, I should have included more info in my original post:
I installed RefractaOS, Xfce, and installed it from the Live session, choosing auto-login at installation. It all worked just fine until yesterday when it started doing this. It effects everything, though, both OSes on both HDDs and even booting from a USB stick! So I went into the BIOS and made sure Secure Boot was disabled, UEFI-only is enabled (it was Legacy when the trouble started). That was supposed to fix it but didn't... I don't have Slim, but rather LightDM and all the config files in there are unchanged from installation.
This is a little weird.
When I boot up Devuan (Excalibur), it ends up at a blank screen, and in order to proceed I must
Cntrl+Alt+F3to bring up a terminal window which provides me a way to log in, then I must
startxto reach a desktop!
I thought I had autologin enabled, which always worked until today. Did an update do this or did I mess something up?
And how do I fix this so I can just turn the 'puter on and go grab a drink, and return to a desktop?
Thanks
On my (Xfce) panel I have an icon in the system tray for "alsamixer" that fixes sound for me.
The fix doesn't "stick," though, after a reboot. I'm sure there's a way to make it the default, some file to edit, probably. If anyone can suggest such an edit, I would be very grateful!
I'm content to leave things as they are as long as there's no harm in doing so; whatever the defaults are that it "shipped" with.
Thanks!
Freia, huh? That would be interesting! But in fact, there have been no updates since I installed it about 4 days ago. Perhaps I was wrong about the Xlibre reference in my blog post.
Okay, just checked Fastfetch: It's Excalibur, after all. I should edit my blog post next.
But since it hasn't updated, I suppose I should ask: How often should I expect updates in Excalibur?
Thanks very much!
I'm the new kid here, and frankly, a technophobe. I'm especially frightened of the dreaded terminal, so until recently I have always used the "hand-holding" distributions with GUI-everything. My phobia is irrational, of course, but it just feels like I could mash the wrong button and ignite the Earth's atmosphere and kill every living thing on the planet by accident. Anyway ...
I went to RefractaOS to find "a GUI way to install Devuan," and I have to say:
While it isn't as newbie / kid / grandparent / technophobe - friendly as calameres or whatever, it's superb if the user pays attention to what they're doing. My hand-me-down desktop has two HDDs, and I wanted to be sure I didn't wipe away my other OS. But I didn't know whether it was sda or sdb or what. But there's a little window to tell me that the Samsung HDD was sda and the other is sdb.
If not for the little window to tell me which was which, I would have aborted the install for fear of destroying my existing OS.
Since installation and customization (Xfce, favorite browser, Evolution for email and Xournalapp for school stuff, etc., making an installable copy was easy with refracta snapshot. However, installing the new snapshot was impossible because I didn't include the installer in my OS.
Silly boy me.
It works great! Just for giggles I might try it with calameres because why not. I'll report back after I've tried it.
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