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#1 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Can't connect to repos » 2024-02-08 00:18:31

Not sure if my issue is anything like yours, but: My issue temporarely went away when I changed my /etc/resolv.conf nameserver line. It was pointing to my router/gateway, and I changed it to point directly to

Temporary "fix" because resolv.conf is regenerated upon reboot. Should probably dig a little deeper on that.

Longer story:

$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Generated by NetworkManager
nameserver <ip address of router/gateway>

$ sudo apt update
Ign:1 daedalus InRelease
Ign:2 daedalus-security InRelease
Ign:3 daedalus-updates InRelease
Ign:1 daedalus InRelease
Ign:2 daedalus-security InRelease
Ign:3 daedalus-updates InRelease
Ign:1 daedalus InRelease
Ign:2 daedalus-security InRelease
Ign:3 daedalus-updates InRelease
Err:1 daedalus InRelease
  Temporary failure resolving ''
Err:2 daedalus-security InRelease
  Temporary failure resolving ''
Err:3 daedalus-updates InRelease
  Temporary failure resolving ''
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
W: Failed to fetch  Temporary failure resolving ''
W: Failed to fetch … /InRelease  Temporary failure resolving ''
W: Failed to fetch … /InRelease  Temporary failure resolving ''
W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

If I change resolv.conf:

$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Generated by NetworkManager
$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 daedalus InRelease
Hit:2 daedalus-security InRelease
Hit:3 daedalus-updates InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.

Magic? Solar flares? Poor router config? (slightly more likely)  But I have the idea that pointing at the router was working for a week or 2 since the Daedalus install.

#2 Re: Devuan » Thank you » 2024-02-02 09:08:25

I do a little gratitude occasionally. (I'm not an addict, I can stop anytime!)

Thanks to the devs/maintainers/forum team.

#3 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Crowz 5.0 Daedalus amd64 release » 2023-12-24 03:01:28

Not sure about Crowz, but Devuan has a Removable Drives and Media app within Settings. If available, this might help you influence how the system reacts when you plug in removable storage?

Otherwise, perhaps you could perhaps research mounting manually with "lsblk" (to discover what your drive shows up as), "mkdir" to make a mount point, and "mount" command to introduce your drive to the system.

For example (don't copy and paste my ramblings)
If "sudo lsblk" shows your drive is /dev/sdc, and the partition you want to access is /dev/sdc1
"sudo mkdir -p /media/sdc1" will create a mountpoint and
"sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc1" should make the contents readable. (perhaps not writeable without changing perms)


Of course, if you already have another device mounted as /media/sdc1, that might be a sign you need to adjust some things. Or wait until someone who actually knows what they are talking about, responds.

Good Luck.

For the sake of good order, it would probably be a good idea to unmount with something like:
"sudo umount -l /dev/sdc1"
before ripping out the removable.

#4 Re: News & Announcements » Daedalus is stable » 2023-08-16 21:47:09

Great news! Congratulations and thanks to the team.

#5 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] server can not be found » 2023-07-18 10:33:45

That sounds like quite good news. Even if it is not worth opening the champagne, perhaps it's worth a lick of the condensation from the bottle.

As you  and others have observed, to achieve the goal of contacting or managing a server from your desktop, you need both a) a server and b) a desktop. You seem to have both, but not at the same time. It seems a bit like an ancient fable or parable, and you have to decide which of your babies to sacrifice.

It might be time to for your project to move into an acquisition phase.  To get closer to the goal, you probably need another Machine, either 

  • 1) Real Machine - that is, another computer.  Options at this stage include, but are not limited to, beg, borrow, steal, rent, dig out of your pile of old hardware, dig out of someone else's old pile of hardware, or, as a last resort, buy? We know nothing of your situation, or ambitions for the server.  Amazon competitor? Pi-Hole? Bare ssh server on a dead-battery 256Mb 800 MHz P3 laptop so you can boast "I ssh'd into my server today" ? All valid ideals.

  • 2) Virtual Machine (as rolfie suggested.)  Many (Most?) modern PCs can handle this, it's not too complicated to check the hardware. Your PC seems to have a 500Gb disk, 8Gb RAM, that looks promising? My Chimaera 1C2T Celeron seems (barely) usable with qemu/kvm, at least.    There are other unreal computing options, such as containers, but that's a bit out of my range, and no-one else has so far leapt in to suggest it, so that might be more of a struggle to get help here.

Good luck with your decision-making and strategising.

#6 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] server can not be found » 2023-07-17 18:51:56

Glad that swap worked out.

I am not at my computer, for a few hours, so can be of limited help. However, I can comment:

Regarding your idea about the server, a shared drive is a useful idea.

However, I wonder if you might be interested in trying see if the sda5 install can boot up? (even though it is not feasible to ssh into it from Chimaera on the same PC) .  I can think of 2 things you can try

1. Some live linuxen have an option in the boot screen "Switch to GRUB bootloader/Boot Rescue Menus/GRUB menus".  I have recently seen this on (I think) antiX 22 runit core iso, I did not see it on my recent Devuan 5 download. I think this option searches your drives and partitions for bootable installs, and presents you with some options - I used it last year and the memories have faded. Perhaps it could find your sda5 Beowulf?

2. If you are brave, perhaps you could install or reinstall the boot manager in your current Chimaera? I am assuming that this is your "go-to" install, from which all your reports here were made. I am also assuming that your boot manager is GRUB 2 ( and not alternatives like LILO or Legacy GRUB.)

From root:

 # grub-install /dev/sda

This *should* be able to navigate the UEFI situation and use os-prober to find all the bootable installs on other disks. There are things that could get in the way of success. It is possible that os-prober will not run or will not add the other installs because it could be interpreted as a security risk, allowing one OS to dig into the booting arrangement of another OS. This might show the message

Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.
Systems on them will not be added to the GRUB boot configuration.
Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry


I am told this can be managed by editing a parameter file
/etc/default/grub to add: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false and running (as root)

# update-grub

Worth a try, even if it is just an learning experience? If your luck holds, when you reboot you might have that beowulf server in your options, and also that swap partition working. Good Luck.

#7 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] server can not be found » 2023-07-17 14:09:41

A reinstall cures many ills, and the experience of how easy it is to make a mess, can be valuable.

Before you do that, and if any valuable data is safely copied off, perhaps you could try to fix some things? That could also be valuable experience.
In many, many more words than rolfie:

Swap file:

The swap entry in your /etc/fstab , specifies UUID. A UUID can change, for example when a partition is resized or reformatted. Reformatting is something that is often offered during the install process. Perhaps this happened to your swap UUID? This can perhaps be fixed:

Your lsblk suggests that /dev/sda3 is your swap partition. From root id, the command

blkid /dev/sda3

might tell you if this partition is formatted with a swap filesystem? If I ran this on my PC (I use sudo to run root commands...):

$ sudo blkid /dev/sdb2
/dev/sdb2: UUID="f460228e-8511-4656-8536-c2d65a7e3fd5" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="ff55585e-aced-344f-86df-02259684ca4d"

If I ran them from root, as you seem to do:

# blkid /dev/sdb2
/dev/sdb2: UUID="f460228e-8511-4656-8536-c2d65a7e3fd5" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="ff55585e-aced-344f-86df-02259684ca4d"

The TYPE="swap" tells me this is a swap filesystem. If it was something like "ext4" or "LVM2_member" then we may have taken a wrong turning.

You should be able to (after making a backup copy of your /etc/fstab file) paste the *YOUR* UUID entry into your fstab. It does not seem to mind the "" quotes, so you can probably copy and paste.  Carefully compare the new fstab with the old one, to make sure that the UUID is the only thing that changed. You can post a diff here, if you can wait for feedback. For example, assuming your backup is /etc/fstab.bkp.20230716

diff /etc/fstab.bkp.20230716 /etc/fstab

should tell us that there is only a difference in the UUID for swap. I have sometimes made a mess of editing a critical system file and been saved by a nervous diff.

If you are happy that the change is correct, you could reboot and see if the change is picked up. However, a mistake in editing /etc/fstab could cause problems; Luckily, to avoid the risky reboot, there is a command (from root) that should verbosely try to activate any unused swap partitions listed in /etc/fstab:

swapon -av

If the planets align and it all works out, your next free -h will show an active swap? If not, you could post the output of the "diff", the before "free", the "swapon" and the afterwards "free".

Good Luck.

#8 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] server can not be found » 2023-07-16 22:30:53

I may have the story all wrong, perhaps due to an overactive or underactive imagination, but:


I have developed a concern that devur is trying to ssh from an "active" installation on their multiboot PC to one of the "inactive" installations sleeping on the same PC.  That is, the target host is not actually running. Based on their responses, could that be the case?


My understanding of the use of ssh is that it allows us to securely access one (running) host from another (running) host. That implies that there are 2 hosts, running at the same time. Can you confirm that you have these 2 simultaneously-running hosts ?

If my hypothesis is correct - I suspect that if you want to ssh from one computer to another, you are going to have to "magic" another computer out of thin air, or out of your pile of old computers (whichever works for you). Or investigate the mysterious world of Virtual Machines?

Sorry - I must leave you here.  I will try to check back later in the week, perhaps you will have sorted it out by then.

#9 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] server can not be found » 2023-07-16 13:55:42

Useful feedback, so here is my interpretation (Please note that I cannot claim to be an expert...there are many things I do not know, including EFI's workings):

I am not aware of any mechanism (other than some sort of virtualisation) which would allow you to run a local server "install" on the same hardware and at the same time as your "devuan desktop installation". My understanding would be that, on any particular PC, you boot into 1 install at a time. The others sleep. So you cannot ssh into them. Typically, I would expect that you make the choice about which one runs, at boot time, in the boot manager (Typically GRUB, perhaps LILO?).

Does your boot manager offer you choices? Sometimes it is hidden so as not to delay the boot process or confuse the user.

The lsblk "MOUNTPOINT" column suggests you have only 2 mounted partitions: /dev/sda1 (efi boot) and /dev/sda2 (the root partition).
The fact that this is mounted, suggests to me that this is the home of your main devuan desktop, which you report is Devuan 4 Chimaera.
The other partitions are not mounted, so they are not doing anything.

The "os-prober" you reported suggests that the boot manager setup detected 2 "foreign installs" :
/dev/sda4:Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0, Aramo (11.0):Trisquel:linux
/dev/sda5:Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf):Devuan:linux

That suggest to me that the boot setup has tried to set these options up in the boot manager menu. Do you see them? 

Perhaps these also use the EFI partition....I suspect I will never understand this.

Less important:
I see no sign of a mounted SWAP partition.  If I had seen the text "[SWAP]" in the "MOUNTPOINT" column, that would point to a mounted swap partition.
Not a problem, just a comment. You might have a swap file in sda1 (unlikely) or sda2 (quite possible). I usually manage swap partitions in my /etc/fstab.

So, to check if the beowulf server is installed on sda5: Can you boot into it, from the boot manager menu?

#10 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] server can not be found » 2023-07-16 09:21:08

Hi - please forgive me if this question is total nonsense, but:

1) How many computers and "installs" are involved here?

2) Are there any Virtual Machines (VM) or containers involved?

3) From which "install" do these commands run?

devur wrote:

i have a dual boot devuan / trisquel 11 install and wanted to use my devuan to install a server and selected the server from devuans download and installed the devuan server on a 15gb hhd partition sda5. Now it seems that I can't get in touch with the server, is there any good advice for a solution and is there any additional info I can gather to help with the problem


/dev/sda4:Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0, Aramo (11.0):Trisquel:linux
/dev/sda5:Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf):Devuan:linux

Do you have a single PC with 3 "installs": That is,
1)  "devuan" (which version?),
2) "trisquel 11" and
3) "devuan server" (which version?) installed on various partitions?

Or, did you install "devuan server" over the original "devuan", so you still have 2 "installs"?

I ask because when I install 2 or 3 distributions into their own partitions on 1 PC, I can only run one of them at a time. So, when I boot into one of them, the other(s) are sleeping quietly on disk, waiting for their chance to awaken. In this case, I would not be able to ssh into the others because they are not available.
Of course, this does not take VMs and containers and suchlike into account.

#11 Re: Other Issues » usb pendrive always mounted as read-only » 2023-05-29 20:13:59

I don't have any actual *knowledge* to offer, but perhaps I could fling some comments at the wall?

Do both the pendrives give that "Input/output error while closing the filesystem" ? Such a message could lead a suspicious person to suspect that the drive is failing. Admittedly it seems unlikely that 2 drives would fail at the same time, but perhaps if they were from the same batch, e.g. bought in the same blister pack? Then again....2 months apart is not exactly "the same time"

I tend to take the idea of a hardware failure as a personal insult, especially if it is something I paid my own actual money for. But it does happen sometimes. You might save yourself a lot of pain if you can accept the loss and beg/buy/borrow/steal another drive?

Is there a chance you could try with another kernel, perhaps an older one?

Another desperate clutching at straw: could it be a power issue, with something power-hungry using the usb bus? do you have a powered usb hub available for experimentation?

Could the usb socket be experiencing mechanical stress, perhaps with the laptop on a nonlevel surface (such as, to pick a random example, a lap) and the flashdrive sticking out of the side, brushing against couch cushions or blankets? Or perhaps you have the "bulky devices in slots that are too close together" problem? Perhaps you have another computer available for experimentation.

OK, getting more is your environment for static electricity?

Good luck.

#12 Off-topic » SSH tunnel from PC's VNC client to a VM's desktop on separate VM Host » 2023-01-01 14:26:16

Replies: 2

G'day and Good Year.

I have encountered the idea that there might be security benefits from keeping my adventurous Internet browsing and my Internet commercial transactions (e.g. shopping, banking) on separate machines. I wondered if these separate machines could be VMs.

I also read that while it is convenient to access these VMs using VNC, VNC's access is less secure than it might be, and can be improved by a mysterious magic called "SSH tunneling". This would offer some protection against others on my network (guests, neighbours, wardrivers in the street outside, miscreants infiltrating my media player(s) or IoT lightbulbs, etc) possibly reading the unencrypted VNC traffic.

This hypothesis was stated on the Internet, so it must be true. I mean, all Internet statements are true, not so?

So...trying the VM route, I have at my disposal

1) A Linux computer I refer to as my "PC" (it's a bit feeble to be a VM Host)

2) A Linux computer I refer to as my "VM Host"  (Powerful, noisy, clumsy to work with)

3) A number (1 is a number, OK?) of "VM"s which can be run on the "VM Host"

Currently, to set the scene: I sit at my PC, and connect to my VM Host with an SSH tunnel via the incantation:

ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -l <VM Host userid> <VM Host IP>

This gives me a terminal on the VM Host, where I spin up a live VM thusly:

qemu-system-x86_64 <> -vnc :1

To access the desktop (and therefore the browser) on this VM, I fire up remmina on the PC, select VNC connection method, and point this at


This opens up the VM's desktop in the PC's VNC client window and I can browse OR transact. With multiple VMs, I could keep these activities separate.

My question is:

1) Am I benefitting from the magical protection of "SSH tunneling" in my interactions all the way between my PC VNC client and the VM desktop?


2) Does this protection only extend to the connection between the PC VNC client and the VM Host, leaving communication between the VM Host and the VM itself protected only by VNC security? Perhaps I need to create another SSH tunnel on the VM host?

My interpretation is that it is the first option. That is: SSH tunneling covers the comms between remmina i.e. the VNC client on my PC, to qemu-system on the VM Host, and that is everything I need, because the VM exists only in qemu-system. There is no unsecured comms between qemu-system and the VM, because the VM does not exist outside qemu-system.

I understand that a lot of other threats are being ignored, but my interest, for now, is in the extent of the SSH tunnel's protection.

I hope I've explained it clearly enough to receive some feedback that I can actually understand, though my powers of understanding are quite feeble.

#13 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Chimaera: "apt purge slim" will remove "task-xfce-desktop*" +much more » 2022-11-10 20:53:23

GlennW wrote:

When in "dependency-hell" I usually re-install all the removed packages if I can copy and paste the list of packages that were/are scheduled to be removed.

That way I can at least then I can begin the cull (of un-wanted packages) again.

This is where the "--no-suggests" may be handy with the apt command. (edited for clarity, GW)

Sounds like this might be workable, but I was really reluctant to try working from an install usb/CDROM repo once "network-manager" was purged. And the

apt install lightdm slim-

tip worked very nicely indeed.

So, thanks to all the tipsters

#14 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Chimaera: "apt purge slim" will remove "task-xfce-desktop*" +much more » 2022-11-10 19:58:25

Thanks Camtaf, HoaS MiyoLinux

After a brief skim, some comments escape me:

So Many Words, some of which I definitely recognise:

-->  "there's a fair bit of reading I've got to get through"

-->  "aptitude is awesome,"

That thread is from 2013 - Can I just replace "aptitude" with "apt" in the suggestions? I have not used apt-get much, and it has been a few years since "aptitude" was prised from my reluctant fingers.

Could I, in theory. purge "slim", let the uninstalls decimate my packagerie, then install lightdm and most of the packages would return, bringing in some new ones? ("theoretically", because one of those packages is "network-manager")

OK, swooping felly:

sudo apt install lightdm slim-
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  gnome-accessibility-themes gnome-themes-extra gnome-themes-extra-data gtk2-engines-pixbuf
  liblightdm-gobject-1-0 lightdm-gtk-greeter
Suggested packages:
  accountsservice xserver-xephyr
The following packages will be REMOVED:
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gnome-accessibility-themes gnome-themes-extra gnome-themes-extra-data gtk2-engines-pixbuf
  liblightdm-gobject-1-0 lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter
0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4,392 kB of archives.
After this operation, 9,588 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 

OK, this bit looks interesting:

dpkg: slim: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:
 task-xfce-desktop depends on slim | lightdm; however:
  Package slim is to be removed.
  Package lightdm is not configured yet.

I am hopeful - will find out after the reboot.

#15 Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Chimaera: "apt purge slim" will remove "task-xfce-desktop*" +much more » 2022-11-10 17:13:43

Replies: 6

Hi all

I recently installed Chimaera with runit & XFCE using "devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso" , dated 2021-10-12. It seems to be working OK.

I wanted to be able to switch users, so tried to purge Slim and install Lightdm.

The attempt to purge slim seems to want to remove quite a lot of the system

$ sudo apt -s purge slim
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1v5 coinor-libcoinutils3v5
  coinor-libosi1v5 cups-pk-helper dnsmasq-base exfalso fonts-font-awesome fonts-lato
  fonts-opensymbol gimp-data gir1.2-atspi-2.0 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0
  gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-keybinder-3.0 gir1.2-notify-0.7
  gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 gir1.2-polkit-1.0 gir1.2-secret-1 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0
  gir1.2-wnck-3.0 gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gstreamer1.0-gtk3 gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
  hyphen-en-us iptables javascript-common libabw-0.1-1 libamd2 libao-common libao4 libappstream4
  libatk-adaptor libaudio2 libayatana-appindicator3-1 libayatana-ido3-0.4-0
  libayatana-indicator3-7 libbabl-0.1-0 libbluetooth3 libboost-filesystem1.74.0
  libboost-iostreams1.74.0 libboost-locale1.74.0 libboost-thread1.74.0 libbrlapi0.8 libcamd2
  libccolamd2 libcdr-0.1-1 libcholmod3 libck-connector0 libclucene-contribs1v5 libclucene-core1v5
  libcmis-0.5-5v5 libcolamd2 libdotconf0 libe-book-0.1-1 libeot0 libepubgen-0.1-1 libetonyek-0.1-1
  libexiv2-27 libexttextcat-2.0-0 libexttextcat-data libfreehand-0.1-1 libgegl-0.4-0
  libgegl-common libgexiv2-2 libgimp2.0 libglib2.0-bin libgpgmepp6 libip4tc2 libip6tc2 libjim0.79
  libjs-jquery libjs-sphinxdoc libjs-underscore libjuh-java libjurt-java liblangtag-common
  liblangtag1 libldb2 liblibreoffice-java libmbim-glib4 libmbim-proxy libmetis5 libmhash2
  libmm-glib0 libmspub-0.1-1 libmwaw-0.3-3 libmythes-1.2-0 libndp0 libneon27-gnutls
  libnetfilter-conntrack3 libnfnetlink0 libnm0 libnma-common libnma0 libnumbertext-1.0-0
  libnumbertext-data libodfgen-0.1-1 liborcus-0.16-0 liborcus-parser-0.16-0 libpackagekit-glib2-18
  libpagemaker-0.0-0 libpam-gnome-keyring libqmi-glib5 libqmi-proxy libqrcodegencpp1 libqxp-0.0-0
  libraptor2-0 librasqal3 libraw20 librdf0 libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc
  libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-help-common
  libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-style-colibre
  libreoffice-writer librevenge-0.0-0 libridl-java libsmbclient libspeechd2 libstaroffice-0.0-0
  libstemmer0d libsuitesparseconfig5 libtalloc2 libteamdctl0 libtevent0 libumfpack5 libuno-cppu3
  libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3 libuno-purpenvhelpergcc3-3 libuno-sal3 libuno-salhelpergcc3-3
  libunoloader-java libvisio-0.1-1 libwbclient0 libwpd-0.10-10 libwpg-0.3-3 libwps-0.4-4
  libxmlsec1 libxmlsec1-nss libyajl2 libyaml-0-2 libzmf-0.0-0 lp-solve
  mobile-broadband-provider-info modemmanager mythes-en-us network-manager network-manager-gnome
  node-normalize.css orca p11-kit p11-kit-modules packagekit packagekit-tools perl-tk
  python3-brlapi python3-cairo python3-cups python3-cupshelpers python3-dbus python3-feedparser
  python3-gi-cairo python3-ldb python3-louis python3-musicbrainzngs python3-mutagen
  python3-pyatspi python3-pyinotify python3-smbc python3-speechd python3-talloc python3-uno
  python3-xdg quodlibet samba-libs sound-icons speech-dispatcher speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins
  speech-dispatcher-espeak-ng sphinx-rtd-theme-common system-config-printer
  system-config-printer-common system-config-printer-udev uno-libs-private ure usb-modeswitch
  usb-modeswitch-data xbrlapi xkbset xsane xsane-common
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  slim* task-xfce-desktop*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Purg task-xfce-desktop [3.68+devuan4u1]
Purg slim [1.3.6-5.2+devuan1]

As an aside, this is probably the first time I noticed the "Purg" miss-spelling.

Anyway, are there spells and incantations to stop apt removing most of the desktop if I purge slim?

If it helps  (do my sources look OK? I had to edit it after the install left it looking to the "cdrom"):

$ sudo apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     release a=now
 500 chimaera-security/non-free amd64 Packages
     release v=4.0,o=Devuan,a=stable-security,n=chimaera-security,l=Devuan-Security,c=non-free,b=amd64
 500 chimaera-security/main amd64 Packages
     release v=4.0,o=Devuan,a=stable-security,n=chimaera-security,l=Devuan-Security,c=main,b=amd64
 500 chimaera-updates/main amd64 Packages
     release v=4.0.0,o=Devuan,a=stable-updates,n=chimaera-updates,l=Devuan,c=main,b=amd64
 500 chimaera/contrib amd64 Packages
     release v=4.0,o=Devuan,a=stable,n=chimaera,l=Devuan,c=contrib,b=amd64
 500 chimaera/non-free amd64 Packages
     release v=4.0,o=Devuan,a=stable,n=chimaera,l=Devuan,c=non-free,b=amd64
 500 chimaera/main amd64 Packages
     release v=4.0,o=Devuan,a=stable,n=chimaera,l=Devuan,c=main,b=amd64
Pinned packages:

There are no pinned packages.

Perhaps I could just disable slim and install lightdm, but that seems a little less than elegant?

Hope you can help - Thanks in anticipation.

#16 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thunar not show all devices on left panel » 2022-11-10 16:11:19

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Slightly off-topic, but: Wow...How did I go so many years without knowing about this cool tool? Thanks.

#17 Re: Installation » How to have updated firefox-esr in Chimaera? » 2021-11-13 18:11:27

rolfie wrote:

Very simple: firefox-esr is not a genuine Devuan package, it is a Debian inheritance.

I am not sure how the Debianness of the inheritance gets in the way of Devuan informing its users that the default browser is no longer supported, so they can make alternate, suitably informed plans?

In my limited and dimly-recalled experience of informing users of problems and issues, the task is a LOT easier if there is someone else (Firefox? Debian?) to blame. (Of course, that's probably not something I would have said out loud at the time )

Come to think of it - is this an issue with Chromium as well?

#18 Re: Installation » How to have updated firefox-esr in Chimaera? » 2021-11-13 16:03:45

golinux wrote:

Plead your case to Debian. Not going to happen at Devuan.

I should plead with Debian to post an alert on the Devuan forum, so Devuan users know that the default Devuan browser is no longer supported, and they need to make alternative plans if they want to use a supported browser?

#19 Re: Installation » How to have updated firefox-esr in Chimaera? » 2021-11-13 00:07:49

I wonder if we could have some input from Devuan's Powers That Be on this subject? It seems Debian and therefore Devuan can no longer supply a supported Firefox, and users who wish to keep up-to-date must make their own plans? This might well be the sort of thing the "News and Announcements" section of the forum was designed for.

#20 Re: Installation » How to have updated firefox-esr in Chimaera? » 2021-11-11 21:15:59

I have encountered a rumour that the Firefox (firefox-esr: 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1)  installed in my Chimaera rig (Actually installed from a beta "amd64 - desktop 20210906" iso) is no longer supported. Is this true? Does Firefox have an End Of Life page to keep users informed?

It does seem to be mentioned in release notes for subsequent versions, which is probably useful if you read release notes for versions that you don't use.

If it is true, will I automagically get an updated version with an apt full-upgrade "real soon now" or do I have to do some (shudder) work to make it happen? Is there somewhere that I can go to read up about developments, options, etc ?

#21 Re: News & Announcements » devuan 4 » 2021-10-16 17:01:23

I can't see an official announcement on this forum, so I hope I can use puma's thread to offer congratulations and thanks to the team.

#22 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » chimaera ping drops packets with static IP, but not with DHCP » 2021-10-09 23:06:53

OK, thanks for the tips.

I checked my arping's friendly man page again (from which the above code snippet was taken),  it definitely mentions the  -d parm.  The command accepts the -d without complaint. Of course, I have no idea if it does anything with it.  I hope I have not messed up my sources.list.

cat /etc/issue;sudo apt show arping
Devuan GNU/Linux 4 \n \l

Package: arping
Version: 2.21-2
Priority: optional
Section: net
Maintainer: Salvatore Bonaccorso <>
Installed-Size: 78.8 kB
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.25), libnet1 (>=, libpcap0.8 (>= 1.5.1)
Conflicts: iputils-arping
Tag: admin::monitoring, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline,
 network::scanner, protocol::ip, role::program, scope::utility
Download-Size: 31.6 kB
APT-Manual-Installed: yes
APT-Sources: chimaera/main amd64 Packages
Description: sends IP and/or ARP pings (to the MAC address)
 The arping utility sends ARP and/or ICMP requests to the specified host
 and displays the replies. The host may be specified by its hostname,
 its IP address, or its MAC address.

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » chimaera ping drops packets with static IP, but not with DHCP » 2021-10-09 17:03:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
ip a
ip r

Would I have to enter these commands on every machine in the network, including the ones I have forgotten about, and the ones without shells?
I admit, it would be effective if I remembered them all, but somewhat inconvenient.

How about "arping -c 10 -d <ipaddress>"  ?  I just read about it now and the man says:

       -d     Find duplicate replies. Exit with 1 if there  are  answers  from
              two different MAC addresses.

That looks very promising - is it solid and reliable?

How about sudo nmap -sn  <network>  ?

Maybe I will test these if I need to continue my investigating. I could put the phone back, and see if they sniff it out.

Of course, due to PEBKAC I only thought of dupips when I noticed the (forgotten by me) persistent address on my phone. I mean, what kind of sick, twisted mind gives a phone a static IP?

Thanks for the r8168 tip, I hope I will not have to investigate it further, but it's "good to know"

#24 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » chimaera ping drops packets with static IP, but not with DHCP » 2021-10-09 13:44:24

So...might have found something. My cellphone (which has Kodi installed and sometimes does media server/player duties) had a static IP which is the same as the the static IP I chose for my PC !

The cellphone has been moved to a new address. Now, on my PC, I am trying to use static that has been set up with NetworkManager. Results are promising, but it's an intermittent error, so it's quite difficult to confirm its absence. (Maybe the phone sleeps a lot, and causes fewer problems while asleep? A bit like me, really)

Last month, during the course of my investigation of this intermittent issue, I moved my network from a non-RFC1918-approved network prefix to an RFC1918-approved one. At the same time, I moved my main PC from a static ip that I have used for over a year, to one which conflicted with the phone. The has now been rectified, but I still have no explanation for the same issue which existed with the old address, with which there was no conflict.  Maybe I can blame NetworkManager for fighting with the /etc/network/interfaces configuration?

I this works out, I will have to apologise to a lot of old freebie&junkshop cables and hubs/routers.

Is there a simple network diagnostic tool which can easily sniff out ip address duplication? Ping seems to offer a hint, but it's not very good at explaining the problem.

I realise I did not include the actual "error" rmessage, for when I forget about this in a few months time: statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 67 received, 33% packet loss, time 160343ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 170.934/172.424/180.124/1.268 ms

#25 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » chimaera ping drops packets with static IP, but not with DHCP » 2021-10-07 22:14:11

Perhaps of interest: If I remove eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces, give it to NetworkManager to manage via DHCP, and assign a static IP by reserving it in the router - that *seems* to work fine.  That's a rather embarrassing admission of failure, though. And easily forgotten as I cycle through my collection of junkshop routers as old age, lightning strikes and power surges cause them to shuffle off this mortal coil. And inconvenient if I have to reconfigure  BOINC, ssh, hosts.allow and shares.

I hope it won't come to that?

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