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#1 Re: Devuan Derivatives » We are making progress » 2022-08-06 15:50:13

Exciting times - Peppermint has announced their 64-bit and 32-bit Devuan-based releases: … 8-02-2022/

#2 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-07-25 21:38:56

I see there's a new version of GNUinos ISO's posted to the Chimaera live mirror today, both 32-bit (PAE and non-PAE) and 64-bit, with XFCE or openbox.

I've tried the XFCE version, think I'll have a look at the openbox version this time.

#3 Re: Devuan » A Possible Future For Devuan and Linux » 2022-07-17 15:05:57

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:


andyprough wrote:

Do we have anything like pledge in Linux-land? Looks like a security must-have.

We do now:

Porting OpenBSD pledge() to Linux


Wow, who better than a world famous internet troll to create a perfect security tool for Linux? Way to go Justine! She's the kind of highly productive troll I want to be when I grow up.

#4 Re: Devuan Derivatives » We are making progress » 2022-07-15 18:33:54

grafiksinc wrote:

I also wanted to let you know in the course of the next 2 weeks we will be dropping the Production release 32 and 64 bit of PeppermintOS(Devuan) we will definitely be throwing  much love your way as we start ramping up the release.

This is going to be very cool!! Linux-land is dominated by conservative old distros that work overtime to maintain the status quo. Very exciting to see PeppermintOS willing to shake things up a bit.

#5 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] chimaera in vm on m1 mac » 2022-06-09 16:47:53

You can apparently install qemu on an M1 through homebrew. Might be worth a shot.

#6 Re: Devuan Derivatives » We are making progress » 2022-06-01 15:43:37

Very exciting, can't wait to try PepOSDevuan

#7 Re: Documentation » How-to boot GRUB with HP Envy laptop » 2022-04-19 17:10:17

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Say yes when it asks if you want to "force extra installation to the EFI removable media path".

Oh interesting, so this is primarily for people who boot from an EFI partition on a USB drive, I would imagine. Something like that?

#8 Documentation » How-to boot GRUB with HP Envy laptop » 2022-04-19 15:49:16

Replies: 3

I am following the instructions from the extremely helpful post by @edbarx who figured out how to boot the HP Probook 4540s in this post:

I have an old 2012 HP Envy laptop that I was able to install Devuan on, but which would not boot normally. It did allow booting by finding the efi file from a boot menu, but it was a tricky process and looked like it could fail pretty easily, which would leave this machine un-bootable.

The trick that @edbarx figured out was to create a /boot/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/ folder and copy the /boot/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi file into the new Microsoft boot folder and change its name to bootmgfw.efi. That did not work in Legacy Boot mode on edbarx's HP Probook, but did work in EFI boot mode.

On my HP Envy laptop, it will boot in Legacy mode, and there's a small difference where the bootmgfw.efi file goes. Proceed as follows, as root:

cd /boot/efi/EFI/
mkdir -p Microsoft/Boot/
cp debian/grubx64.efi Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi

That's it, reboot, and should boot up normally now. Hopefully this will help someone else in the future find the correct path and bios settings for their HP laptop.

A few notes - to access the legacy BIOS settings in this HP laptop, I needed to hit the Escape key right after power up, as it will go directly to another failed boot attempt with a zero second delay. Have to have a fast Escape key finger. That brings up a screen with some options, including changing legacy BIOS settings, which can only be accessed with the F10 key - arrowing down to that option and hitting "Enter" will just go directly to a failed boot again. Pushing the F9 key on that menu gives access to an option to find the Devuan efi file, which is actually easy to do in HP's little cli file manager thingy.

Anyway, long story short, if you have a 2012-era HP laptop that is giving you trouble with booting, don't give up. My HP Envy system is very weird, from the keyboard entries to the menu prompts to the BIOS settings to the efi path, but it can all be navigated and fixed with a bit of patience.

#9 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2022-04-14 16:58:40

I used to build customized versions of the Firefox nightly version quite often a couple of years ago. I would recommend working with nightly in your initial test builds, it tends to build a bit more easily for some reason. Probably Firefox's regular releases have all kinds of extra useless crap added on.

Also, I'd build it on a minimal Void installation with no dbus, just to have a very clean build environment that's already got some similarities to Hyperbola. You can have a graphical environment with void without any dbus if you stick to DWM (or probably JWM as well). I can walk you through the Void setup steps. I'll try building it soon. I may not have time to dig into it right away this week, but maybe the week after.

If I do get it built, I will need some help from you, zapper, on my Hyperbola 0.4 installation so I can test out the Firefox binary. I've had a bit of trouble with my graphics setup, and have set it aside and didn't bother to figure it out yet.

#10 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 03:57:53

golinux wrote:

I think that zapper and andyprough should create their own forum where they can try to outdo each other's nonsense.  Please stop wasting Devuan resources on irrelevant babble.

Yes, it's too bad that zapper is not on the leadership team of a forum that supports an astonishingly advanced GNU/Linux technology. Which, by the way just announced their looooong-awaited 0.4 release. Bravo to the Hyperbola team. Quite an amazing accomplishment, you guys have truly outdone yourselves this time.

#11 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 03:43:00

zapper wrote:

Btw, do you know how to get alsa working in for it in devuan? I doubt you can with dbus requirement removed, especially for Hyperbola, but I don't use alsa or pipewire.


Thanks though, I am surprised they didn't put a notification about this anywhere on the current website, but ah well, it least I know now why.

Ruben did put a notification a couple weeks ago.

My level of knowledge about how to make sound work with alsa is total crap. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes not. If you are using GNUinOS, I'm assuming you already tried installing apulse and then doing "apulse abrowser"?

#12 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 01:18:57

zapper wrote:

Something interesting has happened of late... I don't know why, but I cannot enter their forums, only 7 possibilities exist I imagine:
1: They blocked my IP address
2: They only let members view the forum now
3: Trisquel has finally died... -_- Not sure if this will do any good for anyone...
4: They have been hacked
5: Their forums website is buggy right now
6: They are blocking certain useragents
7: Something else

None of the above. It's this:
8. They are moving the forum to a new software and server, and it is currently down during the transition.

#13 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 01:10:36

torquebar wrote:

that's something I would even gove to mother Theresa :-)

Twenty-year-old-me would have given my phone number to 20-year-old Mother Theresa.

#14 Re: Installation » The best init system » 2022-03-13 22:07:23

rhtoras wrote:

I prefer all systems except systemD.

Did you mean to say Soystem-D?

#15 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-12 18:30:12

Bathory is some high quality black metal. Reminds me of 80s Iron Maiden for some reason. Not the same at all, but just reminds me.

#16 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] I installed gnome, now I can't use XFCE » 2022-03-11 03:26:21

Does Gnome even run on Devuan? I thought it requires Soystem-D.

#17 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-09 20:27:59

zapper wrote:
andyprough wrote:

Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.

Yep, I knew this like a month ago... sorry, I thought you did too.

That being said, updates have been somewhat problematic.  I think he needs to make a libre version of librewolf, ironic? yes, but it has better settings by default anyhow.

Also, icecat is too outdated/slow, to be any use...

I wish this wasn't the  case, but it is.

Trisquel's abrowser is basically the constantly updated version of Icecat - anyone can install it on Devuan/GNUinOS with MagicBanana's little script: … ent-164779

For 32-bit Devuan/GNUinOS, just make one small change to the script as I describe here: … ent-165331

GNUinOS webpage warns us not to add outside repos, but I think in the case of abrowser we are OK because we are apt pinning all of Trisquel's other packages not to install.

#18 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-09 17:00:48

Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.

#19 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-03-09 16:05:44

amaro wrote:

You then climax in a fit of premature extrapolation

Oh! A bit of good old smut writing. This thread has really been needing a strong pivot into erotica literature.

#20 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2022-03-09 15:26:03

I had a bit of fun re-spinning antiX Linux 32-bit recently, with Devuan forum member @JWMKIT's assistance. @JWMKIT recommended the wallpaper, and the old buuf icons seemed to fit, so it's been taking on a fun personality.

It's a demonstration of the power of JWM-KIT (the JWM project) to give you pretty much a full desktop experience with only 83mb of memory used at first login. @JWMKIT has also made his own version which has more features, hopefully he'll continue to develop it.

Downloads are here if anyone likes to give it a spin:
Logins are antix / antix and root / root. Be safe and backup any valuable data before letting it touch your system.

#21 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] surf browser lots of warnings » 2022-03-08 19:56:05

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
# apt build-dep surf

Then run the make command again.

Build dependencies can be removed afterwards with

# apt purge --autoremove '*-dev'

but that will remove all -dev packages. If you don't want that (check the list before accepting the removal) then use the APT history to delete them manually. Or just leave them installed, they only take up a few hundred MiB of disk space.

You are just a never ending fountain of knowledge, aren't you? When are you going to start your own youtube channel and knock distrotube and Luke Smith off their high perches? They don't know 1/10th the stuff that you do.

I am definitely taking notes on this.

#22 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2022-03-08 19:38:24

amaro wrote:

Devuan 32-bit
A week ago tested IceCat, IceWeasel, Abrowser
Abrowser worked fine (fakebook) and I will keep it as a replacement for FF.
IceCat couldnt load fakebook for about 3 min and I killed it.
IceWeasel worked alright but used too much resources compared to Abrowser.
p.s. I use fakebook and reddit to test browsers cause they are the heaviest sites I use.

Trisquel's abrowser, to my understanding, is pretty much the same as Icecat, but applies the build configs of Icecat to the latest version of Firefox. Icecat only rarely releases an ESR build of Firefox. abrowser has always worked great for me on Devuan, zero issues.

#23 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-08 15:12:46

hevidevi wrote:

That was a walk in the park, this is dark and moody....

Atrium Carceri - Dark Dungeon Music

That's pretty tame. We used to have synthesizer bands in Fort Worth, Texas that would peel the paint off the insides of your brain. Try this on for size if you want to go down a dark rabbithole - Ohm, rehersal sept98 - … sept98.MP3

Lots more goodies like that at this wierd old 90s website, "mizmaze":

#24 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-07 14:17:27

hevidevi wrote:

Hell of a band hey.

On topic...

Here is some light meditation music for your day....
Rotting Christ - Devadevam

A bit dark and moody, but in their favor they play some actual musical notes and don't have any obvious goat skulls on stage in their concert pictures. And not much screaming in their music from the brief piece I heard. They are like the London Philharmonic of death metal bands I guess.

#25 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-06 22:59:44

golinux wrote:

@andyprough . . . from the sublime to the ridiculous, eh . . .

We will probably find out in the end that the path to enlightenment was actually through Gorgoroth death metal music all along. Who knew?

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