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#1 Re: Off-topic » The rise of Artix and decline of Arch on Distrowatch » 2021-09-15 02:34:23

Neither Arch nor Debian nor Ubuntu can keep up with their children in terms of Distrowatch popularity. And the page hit numbers are confirmed by the larger numbers of users leaving reviews of the child distros. Arch is looking up at its children Garuda, Manjaro and Endeavor, with Artix and Arco on its heels. It's a situation that has always infuriated the Arch purists, because the users of the child distros go to the Arch forum looking for help, and the purists try to refuse to help anyone who did not install "the Arch way".

What's ironic is that nothing by RedHat is ever in the discussion in terms of popularity, on Distrowatch or anywhere else, and hasn't been for years. I guess unlimited funding cannot buy you community spirit.

#2 Re: Other Issues » recommend a good email prgram » 2021-09-10 19:24:51

The tar download is right on the Seamonkey download page.

wget https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.9/linux-x86_64/en-US/seamonkey-2.53.9.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
tar -jvxf seamonkey-2.53.9.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
cd seamonkey/
./seamonkey

Now you've got a working version of Seamonkey.

sudo ln -sf /home/[USER_NAME_GOES_HERE]/seamonkey/seamonkey /usr/local/bin/seamonkey

Now you've got Seamonkey on your PATH systemwide.
Make a .desktop file

sudo mousepad /usr/share/applications/seamonkey.desktop

Insert this text:

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Seamonkey Web Browser
GenericName=Web Browser
Comment=Access the Internet
Exec=/usr/local/bin/seamonkey %U
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false
Icon=/home/[USER_NAME_GOES_HERE]/seamonkey/chrome/icons/default/default32.png
Type=Application
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;
MimeType=application/pdf;application/rdf+xml;application/rss+xml;application/xhtml+xml;application/xhtml_xml;application/xml;image/gif;image/jpeg;image/png;image/webp;text/html;text/xml;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;x-scheme-handler/ipfs;x-scheme-handler/ipns;

Save and quit. Now you can put Seamonkey in your menus.
Easy.

#3 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-09 22:01:02

zapper wrote:

I am curious what Andy meant though by his Head on a stick's mayhem causing on fdn,

I wonder if it was like the time I trolled on a sc2mapster.com like this:

https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/gener … -is-magic2

This was a long time ago though... tongue

Though, I was somewhat mentally insane then...

meh... it is what it is.

You'd see people wander into the Debian forum and say things like, "I enabled stable and testing and unstable and experimental repos and added a few ppa's and mixed and matched packages from all of them and then ran a few weird commands I found on the Ubuntu forum and now my computer is bricked and I've lost all my data and a million dollar government contract because your distro sucks. Fix me."

And you'd sit back and grab for the popcorn and wait for HOAS to show up and just thrash them with surgical precision. And then fix their problem. And then thrash them some more for good measure. Leave them in a quivering bloody puddle on the floor, whimpering. Deathly afraid of ever touching a keyboard again.

It was good stuff. As I said, it was weekly entertainment for quite awhile.

#4 Re: Other Issues » recommend a good email prgram » 2021-09-09 16:21:59

I hate it and it's not good and I don't recommend it - but Thunderbird. I agree with the Mutt slogan - "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less."

Thunderbird does not suck less, but if you beat it hard enough with a tire iron, you can get it to send and receive a few emails for you. All other email programs besides Thunderbird are so horrendously bad that they will reduce your life expectancy by at least 10 years. Thunderbird will only reduce your life expectancy by 7 years. So it has that going for it.

#5 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing! » 2021-09-09 15:13:31

fsmithred wrote:
nixer wrote:

If my ceres install was not working so well, I would be in daedalus right now, (-;

Ceres and daedelus should be almost identical right now. I don't think we have added any packages to daedelus, and debian has probably only added a few to whatever B is after bullseye. (Buckthorn? Bumble? Busted? I can't keep them straight anymore.)

It's "bookworm".

So what's the current procedure for upgrading Beowulf to Chimaera? Can we just change repo names, or are we looking at breakage if we go that route?

#6 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-09 12:15:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I like trolling. Trolling is fun. I left fdn because they banned trolling. Bastards.

You were really entertaining over there. For about a year I would go check in once a week to see what kind of mayhem you were causing. It was especially funny since you were often the only source of helpful information on the board. Visitors had to have a bit of a thick skin to try to extract their free tech support from you.

#7 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-08 02:00:26

zapper wrote:

Btw, on an unrelated note, I have emailed you, did your old email die, or have you lost interest in chatting with me. wink

Same one as before, just a heads up.

Really? Ahh, I see you did! Over two weeks ago - I feel bad for not seeing this and responding right away. I'm usually on the lookout for your emails.

I'll try to respond in full tonight. Have a blessed evening brother. Remember, Christ loved you enough to die for you even before you knew his name. He chose you, pursued you, tried to win you over. That's something to always be cheerful about!

#8 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-08 00:51:20

zapper wrote:
andyprough wrote:

This guy's shtick is so boring. I don't mind a good troll, but at least have some talent. Nothing more boring than a loud, no-talent troll.

I mean, if he was spouting nonsense, like the don king troll and not being hateful, I would enjoy it big time.

But this is just...


a waste of time...

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1032102

Scroll down till you see the don king troll.

Actually looks like this one fits the "Bustr troll" description from your link:
"The Bustr. Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers."

I was surprised not to see the type of trolling that I do described on that page, as it was otherwise quite comprehensive. I like to troll with a bit of humor - most trolls are too serious.

#9 Re: Installation » To Ralph And Some Others » 2021-09-07 21:07:56

This guy's shtick is so boring. I don't mind a good troll, but at least have some talent. Nothing more boring than a loud, no-talent troll.

#10 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-08-30 13:11:41

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
andyprough wrote:

it's just cruising along at 250mb

Is that the musl libc version? I've recently installed that myself but it's at the bare console stage atm.

So I tried musl, with DWM as the only window manager it starts out at 89mb. Bedrock Linux and the Devuan Ceres strata does install. Pretty sweet!

#11 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-08-30 13:04:58

zapper wrote:
andyprough wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Is that the musl libc version? I've recently installed that myself but it's at the bare console stage atm.

No, I decided to start with glibc as it gave me the best chance of running with the most software. I'm going to try the musl version soon and see if Bedrock Linux with the Devuan Ceres strata will install on top of it.

I used to have interest in voidlinux myself, for gaming, but since I have stopped doing so, and Voidlinux switched back to OpenSSL, it has lost any purpose of me wanting to use it, for anything.

wink

I had heard that too, zap, but I found that libressl is still available and there are instructions for installing it. I guess libressl just lost its default status to openssl is all that happened. Another thing that would be of interest to you is that unless you use certain web browsers or desktop environments, a base installation of Void seems to run without dbus.

I'll have to figure out how to find and remove all the non-free firmware it installs with and how to install Linux libre. Should be able to libretize it.

#12 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-08-30 00:25:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
andyprough wrote:

it's just cruising along at 250mb

Is that the musl libc version? I've recently installed that myself but it's at the bare console stage atm.

No, I decided to start with glibc as it gave me the best chance of running with the most software. I'm going to try the musl version soon and see if Bedrock Linux with the Devuan Ceres strata will install on top of it.

#13 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-08-29 04:26:27

I'm trying Void for the first time this weekend. Holy smokes this is a fun distro! Missing some important software, so I added a Devuan Ceres layer with a Bedrock Linux script. It's a very sweet combination, as Bedrock Linux works really well with both Void and Devuan, and apt is completely seamless once Ceres is integrated into Void. Boot time is amazing - literally 2 seconds from grub to login manager, and that's on an older, slow-ish computer. And I do not know how they do what they do with memory usage, but I'm sitting here with 5 beefy programs open including VirtualBox and a fork of Manjaro's Octopi to manage software on the Void xbps package manager, and I look up and check my memory usage with 'free -h' --- and it's just cruising along at 250mb. Woah. Really, really enjoying this.

#14 Re: Devuan » desktop-live chimaera beta isos » 2021-08-28 01:02:37

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

The note above was for the desktop-live installer that you find at the path variation devuan_chimaera/desktop-live/ and then the file name pattern is devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-2021-08-27_xxxxxx.iso.

The devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/ collection will find themselves updated into isos of the pattern devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210830_xxxxxx.iso, with and for the desktop-base improvement, at some near future.

Ok thank you, I'm seeing the Desktop Live version with today's date on it now in the mirrors.

#15 Re: Devuan » desktop-live chimaera beta isos » 2021-08-27 22:31:50

Is it the devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210823_xxxxxx.iso's? I'm seeing an upload date of about 4 days ago - is that right or should I be waiting for mirrors to refresh?

#16 Re: Installation » Network Issue With Devuan » 2021-08-27 04:59:36

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Jakoline wrote:

rfkill WAS NOT INSTALLED!

Are you sure? Did you try

/usr/sbin/rfkill

Or perhaps even

man rfkill

See also

echo $PATH

It's in /usr/sbin/rfkill

Run it as root:

$ rfkill unblock wifi; rfkill unblock all

Should work now.

#17 Re: News & Announcements » Migrating from Bullseye to Chimaera - feedback needed » 2021-08-20 01:49:45

nixer wrote:

So I tried slim:
- installed slim, and packagekit. 
- uninstalled lightdm
Luck!  It worked with slim, after I installed both slim and packagekit.

I never could get lightdm to work, yet.  I guess that possibly my *kits were not in order.   At any rate the migration was successful.

I hope this helps.

Awesome!!!

#18 Re: News & Announcements » Migrating from Bullseye to Chimaera - feedback needed » 2021-08-19 21:09:10

nixer wrote:

Edit:  Yes it will break something important.  After an "apt autoremove" of these packages, I no longer get an x login screen with lightdm.  Lightdm does not start with the boot, but it will with a "service lightdm restart" (or start).  However, with lightdm started with the command all options on the xfce logout menu are greyed out and not functioning.  Also, reinstalling these programs with apt install... does not fix the broken login.  Lightdm still will only start manually. 

I am about to do this migration again, from the beginning, and I will copy all text output from the commands.  It will be lengthy and thus not posted here.  If you want it, let me know.

Just my two cents, in case it's useful - I had a similar problem with slim after removing most desktop defaults from a Bullseye-based antiX beta a couple of days ago. In order to move past the problem and continue hacking on antiX without having to figure out the broken login manager right away, I purged slim and installed tbsm, a desktop login manager for tty. Works great out of the box, and I also then tested it on Devuan Chimaera which seemed quite happy with it. Good luck!

#19 Re: Off-topic » s6's Laurent Bercot plans "last piece of full alternative to systemd" » 2021-08-10 23:52:22

dvnUsr wrote:

Laurent Bercot now has a sponsor ...

Update: the project has found a sponsor! Expect more news in this space in the months to come.
...
My estimate is that it needs about one year of work...

(https://skarnet.com/projects/service-manager.html)

That's some great news right there.

Begs the question - let's say Bercot finishes the work in the next year, and s6 really does turn into the "ideal service manager". What then for Devuan? Start offering it as an alternative init? Making it the default init would seem the appropriate response if it does all that he claims it will.

And what will happen with Debian and any distros that thumb their nose at their users and continue to push a technology with increasingly inferior performance on them? At some point the wrath of the users will become palpable.

Full disclosure - I used s6 for a lengthy test run of a couple months, and yes what you heard is true - it's so fast it should be illegal.

#20 Re: Installation » My chimaera install issues #2: Can't abort LXQt WM choice » 2021-08-01 03:28:23

einpoklum wrote:

Too many complicated choices - it would overwhelm the average user.

The user should not be offered any of these choices. Just a "Cancel" button in addition to "Ok". Or, as suggested in this post - no dialog at all, and just a login into the default window manager.

It is not reasonable to force a first-time user to make a selection in a dialog they do not expect, between items they don't recognize, without an option to get cold feet and say "cancel".

Too bad there isn't such a thing as a "respin" of Devuan that someone like yourself could make that would fix all the problems that they perceive. And too bad that we don't have a specialized Devuan tool called "refracta" to make that respin with. And too bad that we don't have a special part of the forum where people can share and talk about their respins. That would be great if someone like you could do something like that. But unfortunately that's just not possible so your only option is to sit here in the Installation Help forum and complain about all the things that are wrong. Such a sad dilemma.

#21 Re: Installation » My chimaera install issues #2: Can't abort LXQt WM choice » 2021-07-31 19:12:59

einpoklum wrote:

The only way "back" would be to kill the desktop that's in the middle of loading itself and restart the display manager to log into one of the other desktops.

I had actually assumed that window comes up before the session starts. But even with this being the case, then, yes, you should be able to abort, restart the display manager and reconsider your options. Maybe you want to log in as a different user? Choose a different display environment? Change some language or accessibility settings? Or just ask some other person to come help you? You should have that choice.

... that is, if you get that window at all. If a default WM were to be chosen, it would be a different matter.

Too many complicated choices - it would overwhelm the average user.

#22 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-31 04:02:44

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
andyprough wrote:

Ain't Linux great!?!

Meh.

But the author didn't say GNU/Linux sucks. I think they're just referring to systemd/Linux sucking.

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 18:18:41

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Or add this line to /root/.profile:

cd /

But you would have to call su - to ensure that the file is read.

So many different ways to avoid simply typing "cd /" each time. Ain't Linux great!?!

#24 Re: Devuan Derivatives » An example of how Trinity Desktop Env (TDE) can look on Devuan ASCII » 2021-07-24 18:22:59

bimon wrote:
andyprough wrote:

I can see them just fine, I don't get a cloudflare error message. I'm using LibreWolf browser with noscript and ublock - maybe there's some difference in my browser setup.

Picture's URLs have been replaced already, you would not see them via old URLs at least from this forum thread.

I saw them just fine when they were first posted also, and I don't recall a time when the pictures were not available for me to view. But maybe there was a small period of time when cloudflare was blocking them and I missed it.

#25 Re: Devuan Derivatives » An example of how Trinity Desktop Env (TDE) can look on Devuan ASCII » 2021-07-24 05:08:50

I can see them just fine, I don't get a cloudflare error message. I'm using LibreWolf browser with noscript and ublock - maybe there's some difference in my browser setup.

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