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#1 Re: Devuan » Init system support in Debian » 2019-06-18 02:45:19
List of banned Debian packages. Some may never be decontaminated of systemd.
List of Devuan packages. Not all of them are systemd-related.
Thank you! I do have an account on git.devuan.org... lol
I didn't know about the banned Debian packages backlist.
This brings me a few more questions!
Let's pretend for a moment, that Debian 11 comes with "sysvinit-core" (i.e., no systemd as PID 1 available), then, what are they planning to do with those "banned packages"? Create different builds without systemd?
For example, Debian has 2 MTR packages, one compiled with XOrg/GTK dependencies (`apt install mtr`), and another just with ncurses UI (`apt install mtr-tuny`). Vim is similar...
So, following this logic, do you think that Debian with `sysvinit-core` might provide, let's say, 2 Conntrackd packages (you know, it's "infected" with systemd today - http://ral-arturo.blogspot.com/2016/08/ … with.html), like, `apt install conntrackd` (with libsystemd0) and `apt install conntrackd-sane` (without libsystemd0)?
Cheers!
#2 Re: Devuan » Init system support in Debian » 2019-06-16 22:33:49
tmartins wrote:So, I'm curious and genuinely asking: what's exactly the point of Devuan?
Perhaps to make Debian great again. Just imagine what Debian would look like if Devuan did not exist. Shudder . . .
True.
I imagine that on Devuan, the "regular packages" are built with something like "--no-systemd" option?
I think that a daemon linked against systemd will not work properly if systemd isn't PID 1, is that right? So, on Devuan, is not that there is not only "no systemd as PID 1", but also, systemd dependencies are removed *everywhere* (I'm honestly guessing / questioning here lol) ?
#3 Re: Devuan » Init system support in Debian » 2019-06-16 22:28:19
The elogind package was created by the Devuan developers and adopted by Debian.
Thanks Devuan!
NICE!
#4 Re: Devuan » Init system support in Debian » 2019-06-16 19:00:34
That's awesome! I didn't know that elogind was available on Debian! I also didn't know that a new sysvinit-core was available on Debian's Experimental repository!
Then, I just install Debian SID, added the Experimental repo and `apt install sysvinit-core`, `reboot` and voialá! No more systemd as PID1.
So, I'm curious and genuinely asking: what's exactly the point of Devuan?
#5 Re: Off-topic » The quality of systemd on Debian » 2019-06-14 21:09:29
But then, Devuan will, sooner or later, become independent and stop forking Debian (like Ubuntu does often).
#6 Desktop and Multimedia » Enlightenment » 2019-06-14 19:50:19
- tmartins
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Hey! Let's bring https://enlightenment.org to Devuan?
#7 Off-topic » The quality of systemd on Debian » 2019-06-14 19:10:45
- tmartins
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Guys,
I'm reading in a few places that the systemd on Debian is really, really bad.
The package maintainers are leaving Debian!
2017:
https://lwn.net/Articles/622180
2019:
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ … 41971.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments … down_over/
People are saying that if you want a "stable" systemd-based system, you have to choose CentOS or Arch. Like, what a F*** is happening in Debian?! Sabotage?!
I thought that I would be using Debian forever, the search for an OS continues...
I'm wondering here how this bad situation will affect Devuan... Any thoughts?
Best,
Thiago
#8 Re: Devuan » Cloud Init support on pre-installed images » 2019-06-14 18:15:58
No?! :-(
#9 Devuan » Init system support in Debian » 2019-06-14 18:11:59
- tmartins
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Hey guys,
I'm worried about this:
Init system support in Debian
https://lwn.net/Articles/770093/
How much do you guys think that it will cost to "Make Debian Great Again", by updating both sysvinit-core and systemd-shim?
If have few Bitcoins that I mined back in 2011 and I would love to donate for this!
What about publishing all the required issues on https://www.bountysource.com ?
I'm facing serious problems with systemd in a KVM host with Linux Bridges and BOND. A simple "apt upgrade" at the host AND systemd is in the mix, it simply BREAK the connectivity to ALL Virtual Machines for a few seconds!!! It's freaking unbelievable that Debian has this ugly toy in a "stable" release. Debian is becoming Ubuntu, or something much, much worse.
I don't want to stop using Debian / Ubuntu, honestly, Devuan is for me, a safeguard for the future. And I'm grateful for it!
Cheers!
Thiago
#10 Devuan » UsrMerge on Devuan? » 2019-05-18 00:41:41
- tmartins
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Hi!
I installed Debian recently and that /bin and /sbin pointing to /usr/bin and /usr/sbin is freaking my OCD out! I can't use it like that. LOL
How this freaking crazy move will affect Devuan?
Another question... Will "/usr" be the new "/" ? :-D
Cheers!
Thiago
#11 Devuan » Can I install OpenStack on Devuan? » 2019-05-16 00:29:48
- tmartins
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Guys,
Currently, I'm using Ubuntu LTS with its Cloud Archive repos to deploy OpenStack clouds.
I'm thinking more and more about Devuan!
So, is it possible to deploy OpenStack (i.e., to build a private Cloud) using Devuan everywhere?
Cheers!
Thiago
#12 Devuan » Cloud Init support on pre-installed images » 2019-05-15 21:45:27
- tmartins
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Hey guys,
Any chance to provide Devuan images with cloud-init ready to go?
Similar with those:
http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/1 … -amd64.img
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/opens … md64.qcow2
I have an Ansible automation that creates KVM Guests and a CDROM with all the required metadata for cloud-init! Both Ubuntu and Debian (and also CentOS) work in my automation, only Devuan is missing...
I'm also planning to add support for building my own Devuan images, with Packer and Ansible. Maybe I can build those Devuan images with cloud-init by myself but, I would rather use an official version.
Cheers!
Thiago
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