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#1 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Beowulf XFCE Display Manager » 2019-11-05 11:59:15

How about if I phrase this as a simple, concise question?

Why is XFCE pulling in both Slim and LightDM in Beowulf? This seems messy and unnecessary.

#2 Desktop and Multimedia » Beowulf XFCE Display Manager » 2019-10-31 06:21:31

Replies: 2

On my Beowulf XFCE+Slim+Consolekit installation, a recent update to xfce4-session pulled in elogind and lightdm through

Recommends: <logind>
Recommends: light-locker

Meanwhile, task-xfce-desktop pulls in slim and consolekit through

Depends: slim
Recommends: libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0

I assume the addition of light-locker is to make up for the removal of a dependency on xscreensaver. A cleaner way to do this would be to use slimlock. Unfortunately, as packaged, xfce doesn't use slimlock. To fix this, the file


which is part of xfce4-session, can be changed from

for lock_cmd in \
    "xscreensaver-command -lock" \
    "light-locker-command --lock" \
    "gnome-screensaver-command --lock" \
    "mate-screensaver-command --lock"
    $lock_cmd >/dev/null 2>&1 && exit


for lock_cmd in \
    "slimlock" \
    "xscreensaver-command -lock" \
    "light-locker-command --lock" \
    "gnome-screensaver-command --lock" \
    "mate-screensaver-command --lock"
    $lock_cmd >/dev/null 2>&1 && exit

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » PulseAudio? Seriously!? » 2019-08-16 06:35:44

Pulseaudio can safely be removed from the default install with

apt-get purge pulseaudio

Note that you need to purge, not just remove. Pulseaudio leaves behind some config files that mess with a pure alsa settup, which cause audio devices to mute and unmute incorrectly.

#4 Re: Off-topic » Linux distros are getting there... » 2019-08-16 06:27:09

macondo wrote:

chrommium-widevine is in the repos.

Excellent, that answered my question perfectly. Thanks.

#5 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-07-31 08:23:44

I still have my first guitar. I remember doing extra chores around the house and saved my allowance for over a year. I still have it, and my second guitar, and my eighth... Unfortunately, the number of guitars you own has nothing to do with how well you can play, lol.

Soundgarden - Spoonman

Soundgarden - Outshined

#6 Re: Off-topic » Linux distros are getting there... » 2019-07-31 08:04:00

I'm curious. Did you have to manually enable DRM content, or does Void build Firefox/Chromium with that enabled by default?

If it's enabled by default, this means that your browser automatically downloaded and installed the closed source, proprietary Widevine DRM plugin onto your PC without asking.

The less likely scenario is that Netflix switched to an open source format for streaming.

#7 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2019-07-31 07:42:43

Ron wrote:

I looked that up and I see that there are 24 versions of it. Which version did you try?

I've tried both 3.0.4 and 3.0.6. Neither work, but 3.0.4 allows me to access the configuration page, rather than giving me an error message.

Ron wrote:

Or, try changing to Gecko compatibility. That's the setting I use.

I think you misunderstood. I'm not talking about the User Agent Mode setting. If you look in the addons page, most extensions should have a blue dot next to their name with a popup saying "This add-on directly targets Pale Moon". Some may have an orange dot saying "This add-on targets Mozilla Firefox and runs in compatibility mode". It seems like there is a significant enough difference between Pale Moon and Firefox 52 that it is necessary to develop addons slightly differently.

#8 Re: Installation » vbox for 3.0 ? » 2019-07-31 07:16:58

Virtualbox was removed from Debian Buster in April … m-testing/
virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases

#9 Other Issues » Beowulf update adding Ceres repos to sources » 2019-07-22 23:33:13

Replies: 2

I've verified this on a couple different installations. The lines

# Devuan repositories
deb ceres main
deb-src ceres main

are being appended to /etc/apt/sources.list

I suspect it has something to do with the task packages that have recently been updated. Here is my sources.list before the lines were added


# deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst]/ ascii main contrib non-free

#deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst]/ ascii main contrib non-free

deb beowulf main contrib
# deb-src beowulf main contrib

deb beowulf-security main contrib
# deb-src beowulf-security main contrib

deb beowulf-updates main contrib
# deb-src beowulf-updates main contrib

It happens on both a minimal install and a full XFCE install.

#10 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2019-07-22 22:50:50

I've been using Pale Moon for a couple months now, both in Devuan and Windows (gasp).

The Windows version gave me too many problems. Websites were broken that weren't on the linux version. I don't know if this was user error, or if there was a problem with the build, but it was easier to just move back to Firefox.

The linux version has been usable, but I still had a couple problems.
While watching full screen video, the browser failed to prevent my screen from going idle. I remember having this problem with Firefox 52 as well.
The "Don't load tabs until selected" option doesn't seem to do anything. New tabs always autoload.
Youtube loads an older version of the site, which I actually prefer. Simpler to use, less resource usage, and looks nicer.

I've encountered one addon that I can't seem to get working. I downloaded Redirector from the Classic Add-ons Archive, and it just gives me an error "Redirector does not work in Private Mode", even when I'm just using a regular window. This could be because it's built for Firefox and is running in Firefox compatibility mode.

#11 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2019-07-22 22:16:32

I've experimented a few other distros recently.
I really like Void, and I'm tempted to switch my laptop over.
PCLinuxOS was interesting, but not my thing.
I've tried MX Linux, because it's frequently suggested as another non-systemd debian, but as far as I can tell systemd is running?
From the BSDs, OpenBSD is my favourite.

As for actual hardware installs, currently it's all Devuan.

#13 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2019-05-11 22:45:46

My main browser has been Iridium for quite a while now. As beate pointed out, the Debian package is actually built on Ubuntu, and depends on a newer version of libfontconfig1 than is available in Stretch/ASCII. I rebuilt it against the ASCII version, and I also had to change some sandbox settings.

I've been experimenting with Pale Moon. Previously, I've had trouble with sites not loading correctly, but this time it seems like everything works. It looks like the main addons I use are available, or have good alternatives. There is a Debian repository available. Be aware that Pale Moon does not support WebRTC, which Jitsi requires.

Basilisk Browser looks interesting. Like Pale Moon, it's based on the Goanna engine, and it supports "Legacy" addons. Unlike Pale Moon, it uses the newer Australis interface (Firefox 29 to 56), and supports WebRTC. I haven't actually tried it yet though.

One thing to note about the Debian build of Firefox. While it does currently support ALSA, it does not like the asym plugin. To get around this, a plug device should be set as default, and it should call the asym device. Here's an example .asoundrc

pcm.!default {
    type plug
    slave {
        pcm "AsymDevice"

pcm.AsymDevice {
    type asym
    playback.pcm "OutputDevice"
    capture.pcm "InputDevice"

Apulse also requires a plug device as default.

#14 Re: Installation » Hello bcm43142 » 2019-05-09 16:03:39

Edit: My apologies, after reviewing the supported devices list, you were correct in looking at wl … ed_devices

I'll leave the original post up in case it helps someone else.

You shouldn't need the wl package. To get my b43 device working, I installed


You should only need one of the firmware packages. I just installed both because I didn't know which one was correct, and I didn't want to take the time to find out.

#16 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-05 21:07:33

I'm not a lawyer, so take this with the appropriate amount of salt.

libdvdcss2 is opensource GPL software designed to bypass the encryption on DVDs.

The reason why it can't be included by default in Debian/Devuan is because of US copyright law. As I understand, it is illegal in the US to distribute software designed to bypass copyright protection. VLC can produce and distribute libdvdcss2 because they are based in France, where copyright law is less restrictive. Notice how the package downloads the source code from VLCs servers and builds it locally.

This has nothing to do with "beta quality software" or "the Linux community". Windows, and other proprietary operating systems, can play DVDs out of the box because they are able and willing to pay licensing fees for proprietary codecs. They don't need to jump through hoops to enable users to view content they legally purchased. If anything, the problem is with DVDs themselves.

If you want a Linux Distribution that can include codecs, try Linux Mint. It's based in Ireland, which also has less restrictive copyright law. Mint is also more likely to "just work" without putting in the effort, which seems to be what you're looking for. Just be prepared to get frustrated when it becomes a massive pain to do any significant customization, and expect systemd to give you grief.

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