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#1 Installation » nvidia-legacy-390 » 2023-10-12 19:11:17

Roger
Replies: 2

The recent upgrade to daedalus left my package inventory with 53 supposedly obsolete packages. Many of them are obviously no longer needed, but my concern is that several packages with names including "nvidia-legacy-390" are on the list. The question is whether they are still necessary to provide support for my quite ancient graphics cards. In the most recent kernel upgrade to 6.1.0-13 dkms generated new kernel modules which work successfully; will everything still work if I remove the packages flagged as obsolete?

I would appreciate advice.

My newest machine has onboard intel graphics and is much more up to date.

#2 Installation » [SOLVED] consolekit requirement » 2023-01-23 18:06:54

Roger
Replies: 5

A routine update using aptitude tells me that an installed package libcmanager0 is obsolete, but when I try to remove it, I am told that this will break consolekit. There follows the usual chain of dependencies. This occurs on a machine which has been running Devuan for a long time, and one with the system newly installed in the last couple of years runs perfectly well without consolekit or policykit. I suspect they may be relics from the days when systemd drove me from Debian.

Questions: do these packages serve any useful purpose, and can they be removed?

On a more facetious level, why does this forum use a spell-checker that objects to the word "Devuan"?

#3 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Grub Configuration Query » 2022-09-20 19:01:33

Thanks again. My machines are still using BIOS; the problem was certainly of my own creating, I suspect I did a grub-install to something other than /dev/sda. I might have persevered to get things sorted out from the limited commands available in grub rescue mode, but I was able to boot from SystemRescue (which I highly recommend) copied to a usb drive. Then all that was needed was to mount the proper file system and chroot.

#4 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Grub Configuration Query » 2022-09-16 01:48:05

Thank you very much. I don't use any of the usual desktops, just fvwm and my own choice of X11 applications, so I presumably get the default terminal interface. Normally when updates require some configuration the choices presented are what I want, and so it is only necessary to use the tab key to get to "OK". I must have tried several keys other than the space bar in my attempts to change selections in this case, and I appreciate the reminder that the space bar is the appropriate key.

I did manage to mess up grub on one of my machines, and just to refer to a previous thread of mine, and comments made there, I am now a devout fan of grub. I have to deal with a "grub rescue>" prompt, there, but I am sure success is possible.

#5 Installation » [SOLVED] Grub Configuration Query » 2022-09-13 20:41:49

Roger
Replies: 4

This is a request for information that I seem to have mislaid. In the recent upgrade to GRUB2 I was presented with a configuration screen to select on which devices to install the boot-loader. The screen had check-boxes, but I was unable to find any key that enabled me to check them off. So I did the installation later with the grub-install command.

It was frustrating not to be able to use the configuration screen, and worry about the consequences of not using it. For future reference I would appreciate being told what the configuration gui utility is, and where it is documented.

Thanks.

#6 Re: Installation » Avoiding systemd » 2022-08-16 21:52:19

a PS: the two machines which followed the standard migration procedure do not have the devuan-baseconf package now. They have been running Devuan since ascii, through beowulf and now chimaera. All the upgrades have been done using the standard release notes.

#7 Re: Installation » Avoiding systemd » 2022-08-16 21:46:15

That machine has devuan-baseconf 0.6.4+devuan3.1

I update it regularly with aptitude, but I stay with the current stable version.

The machine originally had ubuntu and I converted it using installation from a linux system. Two other machines which have been running devuan much longer, and were migrated from Debian jesse to ascii do not have the file.

#8 Installation » Avoiding systemd » 2022-08-16 17:34:49

Roger
Replies: 6

I have just discovered a file /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid-systemd which references a systemd-sysv package which is no longer on my system. I assume it is a remnant from the original installation when I converted a new machine from ubuntu.

Can I delete the file?

#9 Re: Installation » Status of lilo » 2021-10-24 19:01:11

I appreciate the information. Thanks. What you show is essentially as simple as lilo.conf

My experience was with a new machine which had ubuntu and gnome on it, installed by the vendor just to check that things worked. I appreciated that gesture, but I had a hard time getting grub to change things over so that I was running Devuan, and just the packages I wanted. I did start out with a relatively simple grub.cfg, but more and more entries got added to it, making the boot process quite mystifying.

#10 Installation » Status of lilo » 2021-10-24 18:38:02

Roger
Replies: 4

I note in my recent upgrade of three machines to Devuan chimaera that aptitude now includes the lilo boot loader in the list of obsolete packages. That means obviously that has not been updated, but I hope that is not in danger of being completely removed from repositories, so that future upgrades will remove it.

I use my computers for a manner of different uses, a lot of program compiling, and also for the common purposes of web surfing and communication. They run one single operating system, and that suits my purpose ideally. Lilo presents a simple way of handling specifications for the boot process and has worked very well in my many years of using Linux. It continues to do so, and to mind it seems preferable to the vast complexities of grub which seems to designed to take control and become part of the operating system.

I hope that lilo will continue to be available to users of Devuan.

#11 Installation » Congratulations » 2021-10-17 16:27:11

Roger
Replies: 1

I have been running Debian since about version 2 and switched to Devuan when it became available, having used all three versions. I always have some trepidation when a new release is announced as sitting watching messages go by as an operating system updates itself is not one of my favourite activities -- it is awkward sitting on the edge of one's seat. But ... the update to Chimaera was utterly painless and uneventful, and also went by very quickly. Congratulations are in order for all those hard-working people that made this possible.

I do have a question though, not at all a complaint. Every time the release is upgraded the number of packages finishes up significantly larger. This isn't a problem, but I am curious why it happens. Is it a result of fission of the upgraded packages into separate parts, or is it because the removal ob obsolete fragments is not complete?

In any case, thanks for a job very well done.

#12 Re: Installation » kernel requirements and dependencies » 2020-11-01 19:13:00

I am not in the habit of making vague descriptions of computer output. The kernel package name was the one word output from a query using aptitude.

However, my thought that it might be worth checking apt configuration was useful. Prior to the arrival of beowulf I was having trouble with the new machine because it required the latest ethernet adapter module. In my messing around with apt I set up a preferences file:

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 990

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 500

Removing it has fixed the discrepancy between the two machines. Note that the /etc/apt/sources.list files explicitly use "beowulf" rather than "stable".

#13 Re: Installation » kernel requirements and dependencies » 2020-11-01 15:48:09

Yes, and on the nvidea machines aptitude shows that it depends on kernel 4.19.0-12; for the intel machine aptitude shows that it depends on 4.19.0-11. There are also other differences as there were some 20 or so upgrade notifications for the first cases, including firefox, and none for the second.

It isn't of great importance as all machines are reasonably up-to-date and working properly, but I am curious about what aptitude is doing. I'll check if there are any differences in apt config files.

#14 Installation » kernel requirements and dependencies » 2020-10-31 20:38:31

Roger
Replies: 4

I would appreciate some comments on a minor mystery. I just ran my regular aptitude check on three computers, and two of them which run nvidia graphics were notified that upgrades were available; accordingly I updated to kernel 4.19.0-12 (4.19.152). The third newer machine, which has onboard intel graphics did not get notified of any updates at all, and is apparently satisfied with kernel version 4.19.0-11 (4.19.146).

I have noticed previously that there are differences in the upgrade notifications, and wonder why. Is it because different module requirements affect the dependency tree? All the computers have identical sources.list files in /etc/apt.

#15 Re: Installation » backports » 2020-07-30 03:34:42

Thanks Golinux. Now I have the definition, and realize that I had used a backports kernel on a very new machine in order to handle ethernet hardware updates that were not recognized by the stable version. In principle, without hardware at the cutting edge, using packages from backports seems not to be necessary. My interest is to have a working system that doesn't require any special features.

#16 Installation » backports » 2020-07-29 21:23:54

Roger
Replies: 6

A quick question: what is the effect of including "beowulf-backports" in sources.list?

I have just noticed that I have it included for one of my machines, but not the other two. My objective doing routine maintenance is to keep the systems up to date, within the bounds of the current stable distribution.

#17 Re: Installation » Aptitude problem » 2020-06-08 22:54:02

As a final comment, which might be useful to others, I do routine updates (usually weekly) using aptitude, which only told me that some files had not been downloaded, without explanation or query. If I had run apt, I would have received more explanation, and the prompts about what to do. As I have been using beowulf for some time, I did not anticipate any difficulties when its status changed officially to "stable".

#19 Re: Installation » Aptitude problem » 2020-06-08 21:59:24

Here is what I get trying to use apt-get update

E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing' to 'stable'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing-updates' to 'stable-updates'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing-security' to 'stable-security'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.

My /etc/apt/sources list refers to "beowulf" not "stable" or "testing" and has worked since the time of the beta release.

#20 Installation » Aptitude problem » 2020-06-08 21:06:05

Roger
Replies: 5

Is there a current problem with http://devuan.org/merged ?

I haven't found any notification anywhere, but there are error messages about files not being downloaded.

#21 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-06 02:12:25

Golinux: I first had the nvidia problem in 2011 when the two computers in question were new, and I had a lot of trouble with stuff downloaded from the nvidia website. I was straightened out by one Len Sorenson (a compatriot at the University of Waterloo) who said "do NOT try to mix and match with the Debian installer. They do not get along." He set me on the right path and I have never touched anything that was not from the Debian sources.list (we can now thankfully update that to Devuan). It is now eight years on, and the problem is another nvidia change, but the Devuan packages have got it right; my only problem was how to handle the correct information I was given in the upgrade. If things are done properly, the Devuan way, the installation scripts will use dkms to handle installing the correct drivers. The dist-upgrade process warns of an incorrect kernel module and suggests rebooting as a cure.

As a matter of interest, the other problem I have had over the years was with setting up RAID1, and the solution to that problem involved ignoring what disk manufacturers say about RAID (false raid) and listening to Linux people and installing mdadm.

I am of course elderly, and a traditionalist, using command lines, and I prefer to avoid the unnecessary complexity of things like systemd, gnome (aka Windows) and even grub. Lilo works for me :-) One of these days when I have nothing better to do I'll try and figure out what the hell is the purpose of dbus.  In the meantime I have fun computing - isn't that what computers are for (says the physicist)?

#22 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-05 23:55:40

That reminds me, golinux, I got sgfxi, and it gave the correct version number for the nvidIa driver, but was unaware of the Debian legacy package and said it couldn't install. The author asked for feedback, which I dutifully sent.

Thanks for the reference.

#23 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-05 18:57:52

Indeed! A typo that caused me some trouble while I was working with the problem. The problem is not to over-correct and write "vidio".

#24 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-05 17:49:08

Hopefully the system won't bounce me while I am working on a reply. As I said, the nvidia-driver problem associated with the Beowulf upgrade is fixed. The essential problem is that the upgraded nvidia-driver package can not handle older video cards. There is an alternative package nividia-legacy-390xx-driver that essentially keeps the previous components and works properly.

The difficulty comes with the way such a major package upgrade is dealt with by the apt system. During my Beowulf dist-upgrade, the system dutifully warned me that the nvidea-driver package would not work with my system, but the alternatives posed: to install or not to install both present difficulties. I made the wrong choice the first time and installed the driver that wouldn't work; the result was an unworking X11 and a mess of unwanted packages to get rid of that apt insisted were necessary. I fixed that problem by installing the correct driver, and then using some ingenuity, and knowledge of my way around the Debian/Devuan setup to persuade apt that I didn't want packages associated with the wrong driver. I had to put some soft links in place by hand thanks to the convoluted path of directories that xserver uses to get to its video driver.

With the second machine I chose the supposedly correct option, don't install,  but then had a problem persuading apt-get to continue and install all the other packages. That was then fixed by installing the correct legacy driver, though I still had to remove unwanted packages with some difficulty. I had not realized that one can install several different video drivers, and select them from the command line, but in the case of nvidia there are complications because the driver needs compiled kernel modules, and one installation removes the ones from the previous choice. By saying "no" then installing the correct driver later, the proper kernel modules are compiled.

I did make a delightful discovery in dealing with this problem: xorg has a dummy video driver which can be used to start X11 on a machine without a working video card. It can then be accessed from elsewhere using "ssh -X".

In conclusion I should say that the package system makes maintaining and upgrading software a much more pleasant task than dealing with the horrendous messing around that is involved with Windows. It's fun too, which is another reason for working with Linux.

#25 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-05 15:06:35

The problem is fixed. I composed a reply in some more detail, but the forum logged me out while I was working on it. More details later, but the essence is to install the alternate legacy driver and then get rid of the junk left by an abortive install of the wrong one.

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