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#1 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Forge OS » 2023-11-20 20:23:15

While I downloaded the first day it was available, I use it with my already modified jwm profile so it took me a while to be sure that I wasn't out of sync with the this 2023_11 install. As has been the case with each upgrade, it works great.  It is my "daily driver". 
With just booting to my old home folder all worked fine except having to start up the network each time and I foolishly changed /etc/timezone instead of /etc/localtime. It seems that the set_time script doesn't like my date format either. Since the hardware clock will be set from the system on log out it doesn't matter.
Michael has done a great job with all those apps available in the menu and the many scripts he wrote.

Very happy user here.
Thanks a lot!!

#2 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Forge OS » 2022-01-13 00:04:43

Forge-2022_01_B install:
All went well. I'm happy you've included keepassxc which I have happily used for years. If you use an Android phone be sure to install Lonely Cat's X-plore on it. That way you can easily copy your password file back and forth without having to trust the cloud. Just have both phone & computer on the same network and click on WiFi file sharing in X-plore.

I did prefer my compiled [to /usr/local/bin/] claws_mail 4.0 to the 3.17 that devuan still uses. It runs flawlessly and all I needed to add to get it working on Forge were:
libcompface1 and libetpan20
Again my old NVIDIA GT218 card to run at 75HZ instead of nouveau's 60HZ was to run the nvidia-installer in the correct extracted and patched directory as I wrote previously.
Hopefully the kernel stays put. Otherwise I'll have to re-install the nvidia 340-108 driver.
It's still my main distro. And yes the new xwallpaper app is very nice.

Now to get Remind set up so my extended family birthdays and anniversaries repeat each year. Then to update the entries in Gramps.

Thanks again, Michael, for all your work.

#3 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Forge OS » 2021-11-04 17:30:49

Some observations:
1 - The script seems to have an error:
line 2 :

should be:

2 - no longer finds LATEST_VERSION
My kludge is to insert the following as line 22:


If there are any nvidia-legacy-340 users out there it IS possible to get nvidia-340-108 to deliver 75HZ on Forge. per Matt Fletcher on the Devuan list:
Dng mailing list <> … stinfo/dng:
"I  have it working on chimaera after patching the NVIDIA installer with
patches from arch:

Run The NVIDIA installer with --extract-only and apply the
000*-kernel-5.* patches, then run nvidia-installer from the extracted

Still my main distro.  Thanks for all your work!


#4 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Forge OS » 2021-10-19 01:22:52

alphalpha wrote:

Thanks, i dont take donations, but if you would throw a fiver or something to someone who really needs it, that would be awesome.
Sadly i dont think i will be around Boston in the near or later future, but i will message you in that case

Will do on the someone who needs it.

Too bad about Boston area.

You'll have a place to stay if you ever make it.

For my part I'm studying French not German (I'm only 1/8 German but 3/8 French). To do that I need to run google Chrome [Version 94.0.4606.71 (Official Build) unknown (64-bit)]. It is the only browser that will capture microphone input from. Now I have to find which of the 6 possible configurations for my microphone (Microsoft LifeCam Cinema) will work.
Update: The second one worked: It needed "all software conversions".

alphalpha wrote:

I personally have encountered 2 problems, that we could discuss here
I guess since this is not mentioned elsewhere i throw it in here
1) Scanning for wifi networks with Ceni now takes ages, it used to be a few seconds
i dont have a solution for this, but i also added setnet to the iso
2) i have one machine where i needed to manually setup the graphics driver in xorg.conf because it would not use the correct one although it is installed
but that machine is a strange beast anyway, it works great on all my thinkpads and my desktop

I use 50 foot Category 6 Ethernet cable from my upstairs router; there is no wireless on this old rig.

On the graphics front I tried just booting my 4.19 kernel and initrd from Michael Deuvan 4 since it uses nvidia-legacy-340xx which gives me 75Hz.

Naturally it didn't work because the nvidia drivers aren't installed on Forge.  It uses the nouveau driver  at 60Hz.

Thanks again.

#5 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Forge OS » 2021-10-18 21:52:48

I downloaded it last night as soon as it was visible on the site from here in USA. Nice touch having the sha256sum right there.
This morning I installed it and am using it right now. I went through all of the configuration steps just to see what was there.
The installation was unbelievably fast ... 10 minutes ... not counting my looking at things.
After boot up on a dedicated HD partition, the same quality software I've been used to was there again. I'm now tweaking the JWM keys and getting adding popups on the "panel [tray]" icons, a modified conkyrc across the bottom of the screen.
I'm going to try and stick to your zsh since you've got so much added to it.
Thanks again.
As an aside: Is there any way of getting a small donation to you? Or do I have to wait until you visit the Boston area And I can take you out to dinner? wink

#6 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-04-07 22:18:51

Just downloaded _04_B
I finished adding your version 4 jwm changes to my _03 version. I had modified some things (Don't like the roots set to mouse clicks.) and added programs. So I didn't feel like doing it all again. I see you added some yad scripts. I just install to a spare partition and note the differences.

On the "always last update": My motto and sig on emails is:
"While some hold that perfection is the enemy of the good,
I've found that it is only in its pursuit that one avoids the mediocre."

Take care, Larry

#7 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-28 20:13:12

This then I'll put on the old Lenovo.
So far so good with learning a bit of .zsh on version "3" which has run great: I can even run Framework III & VII right out of Dosbox with nothing more that assigning their respective directories Dos drive letters "D:" & "F:".
Joplin runs fine BUT with the "no-sandbox" parameter. "fastmail" email provider needs the proxy. imap & stmp addresses to work.
Both proprietary Softmaker Office and UEX Texteditor run fine as well.
I'll report back after I install this "last update" smile iso on the 2008 Lenovo T61.

A friend of mine is replacing his crashed Linux Mint with Michaels Devuan
Thanks again.

#8 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-16 19:12:23

Admittedly I have Bose speakers plugged into my rig but the volume after the fix is fine here,

Just a note on palemoon in jwm menu: It was still calling from ~/.local/src not from ~/.local/opt/ as it should now.

update_all worked great.

The update from the Welcome menu is a nice touch as well.

Thanks as always,

#9 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-13 00:02:48

If you want to use a network printer via CUPS be sure to include:

-A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT

in /etc/iptables.conf & then as Michael said:

sudo iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.conf

It works nicely for an inexpensive Brother MFC-J775DW color inkjet plugged into my router via ipp://192.168.xx.xx/ipp/port1
Your particular set up will determine the correct address.

With that done, this is now my  main distro and am changing the default grub boot to reflect it.
Thanks again!!

#10 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-12 21:13:40

Correct: Deleting /usr/local/share/zsh/site-functions/_bspc got rid of the error message on "su" and doesn't affect jwm.
Great to learn the right button to click in Palemoon to be able to log onto this site.

For claws-mail users with a Fastmail email account to get around the built in firewall, use:  port 25 port 443
Other ports might work but NOT 993, 587, or 465 ... for obvious reasons.

And should anyone have an old NVIDIA video card needing nvidia-legacy-340xx driver, don't fall for the faster speed of the (Denmark) repository.  Stick to the default (Germany) repository. doesn't have the old nvidia-legacy drivers!
Admittedly the 75Hz that the proprietary driver gives you over the 60Hz that the nouveau delivers may not be important to everyone.

Take care,

#11 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-10 21:27:54

Maybe you prefer not "su" but when I do in a terminal I get this warning:

[larrymich@i5] ~/ su -                                                        16:07
zsh compinit: insecure files, run compaudit for list.
Ignore insecure files and continue [y] or abort compinit [n]? yzsh compinit: insecure files, run compaudit for list.
Ignore insecure files and continue [y] or abort compinit [n]? y#

Then as instructed running compaudit:

[root@i5] ~/ compaudit                                                        16:10
There are insecure files:

Too many items get skipped by by-passing the menu, e.g., $TERMINAL. So I don't do that anymore.

Really pleased with the depth of applications included in this iso.  However there are even more commented out in jwm's menu... which I've happily installed.

Take care,

#12 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-10 01:09:45

i am not a firejail expert, but since version 2021_02 i added a custom firejail config for palemoon (and qutebrowser), because there were some issues with the default config
i guess it is okay, palemoon starts and it can only access  ~/Downloads and some other needed directories
the D-bus error is 'normal' for this distro, since there is no dbus installed, i always ignore it and the browser does its thing

Yes I noticed that about being restricted to the ~/Downloads directory to save anything. I'll just copy out anything I want to keep to the appropiate directory afterwars with "vfu".

i just looked up what a typeMatrix 2030 is, it looks glorious
could you explain what "both shifts toggle" is? i never heard of that

I write in Spanish and French besides English, so I need accents and ç and ñ. So I run:

setxkbmap -rules evdev -model tm2030USB -layout us,us -variant intl, -option ,grp:shifts_toggle,lv3:ralt_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

The "both shifts" is how I toggle between them.  Your setup seemed to allow for just one keyboard variant & I need 2. I just added it, as an executable script named "acentos" to the end of ~/zprofile. I still can't figure out where your post login menu, in case that might be a better place for it.

we work differently indeed, i mostly use my ancient thinkpad with the cursed resolution of 1366x768, so i mainly use i3 in tabbed mode, where always one window is always fullscreen

I've got a 2007 Lenovo T61 Thinkpad myself (in my signature). I'm going to bump a distro off it and add your Michaels Devuan to it.  I use it when I'm on the road ... obviously not at all this past year sad

maybe i should make a little video, where i give a little tour where i show some features and tricks, but im not very good doing videos,
eventually i'll get it done on the weekend

Sounds like a great idea.  I'm just going through all your apps to see what they do. Those 3 in ~/.local/bin/ are quite interesting.  Since I'm only on ethernet to the internet and not running a cell phone connection, I don't know that they'll do much though.

Take care, Larry

#13 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-08 22:22:36

qutebrowser DOES work after "update_qutebrowser --reinstall"

Sorry. I just ran it now.

#14 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-08 22:05:42

Sorry I took so long to get back sad  All comments are referring to the JWM WM only.
I'm running  version 2021_03 now. Since the tab completion on directories now is working for me I'll stick to zsh. A lot of more knowledgeable people than I prefer it. Plus I make it my practice when I try out distros to go with what the developer suggests.
Also update_all works fine.
It has now displaced antiX jwm on runit as my top distro. You've got so many apps that run just fine. Plus I could add my "both shifts toggle" to US intl typeMatrix 2030 USB keyboard variant with no problem. the bottom of the screen conky info script I always run fits in fine. I added popups to your cryptic root menus on the panel and got the clock/Date colored nicely. The st terminal I always use with vfu as my filemanager of preference, works great as well.
We work a little differently. I have 24 inch wide screen so I have 10 windows on it overlapping here and there but nothing maximized. I found changing app groups from center to tiled to work better for me.
Of course I may just start relegaing different tasks to one or other of the 9 desktops provided. I still prefer grun to rofi, but I just get to it with Alt-F2. I also changed all those onroots to 0,6,7,8 in order to leave my mouse to clicking not displaying menus.
By the way your configuration menu is fantastic. I love the neoRoyal theme.

A couple of issues though: qutebrowser, which you so favor will not run:
It generates:

Warning: Cannot confine the application using AppArmor.
Maybe firejail-default AppArmor profile is not loaded into the kernel.
As root, run "aa-enforce firejail-default" to load it.
Child process initialized in 77.41 ms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.7/", line 183, in _run_module_as_main
    mod_name, mod_spec, code = _get_module_details(mod_name, _Error)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.7/", line 142, in _get_module_details
    return _get_module_details(pkg_main_name, error)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.7/", line 109, in _get_module_details
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 724, in exec_module
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 857, in get_code
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 525, in _compile_bytecode
ValueError: bad marshal data (unknown type code)

Parent is shutting down, bye...

Then palemoon absolutely will not allow me to login to this site. I tried whitelisting and turning off everything across the bottom of the browser to no avail.

If I run it out of terminal window, while it will run, I get this:

Warning: networking feature is disabled in Firejail configuration file
Parent pid 21626, child pid 21629
Warning: An abstract unix socket for session D-BUS might still be available. Use --net or remove unix from --protocol set.
Warning: Cannot confine the application using AppArmor.
Maybe firejail-default AppArmor profile is not loaded into the kernel.
As root, run "aa-enforce firejail-default" to load it.
Child process initialized in 81.33 ms

(pale moon:7): GConf-WARNING **: 16:39:17.547: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
Could not parse server address: Unknown address type (examples of valid types are "tcp" and on UNIX "unix")
GLib-GIO-Message: 16:39:17.571: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend.  Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications.
FoxyProxy settingsDir: /home/larrymich/.config/palemoon/foxyproxy.xml
FoxyProxy settingsDir: /home/larrymich/.config/palemoon/foxyproxy.xml

(pale moon:7): GConf-WARNING **: 16:39:20.732: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
Could not parse server address: Unknown address type (examples of valid types are "tcp" and on UNIX "unix")

Perhaps I'm supposed to set up firejail in some way? The suggested "aa-enforce..." command does not call any program.

Thanks again for a GREAT derivative.  If I might help with anything please let me know.

#15 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-03-02 14:12:47

Thanks, Michael

I'm grandbaby sitting at the moment and sending this from my phone.
As soon as she naps, I'll  dowload the newer iso and install it.


#16 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2021-02-23 00:51:14

Thanks to Leonard's recommendation on SourceForge, I downloaded Michaels-Devuan-Edition-2021_02.iso quite easily and installed it to my hard drive. I gave up trying to change a user name during the install. So I' m running as michael now. I'm only interested in the jwm section. I only use jwm now. WOW! Such easy customization. And all those unknown to me programs to explore! Plus you went to all the trouble of including all those icons. I orinarily run jwm via an Alt-F2 keyed to grun. But with this one I'll be trying all the menu offerings.
2 comments: your update_all is not on this .iso. Also since I need subdirectory tab expansion I dumped the the zsh and change the passwd to /bin/bash. also I use an .xsessionrc file to get my accented and non-accented us layouts anyway... though the "Z" and "Y" switch caught me at first wink
Perhaps because of that $TERMINAL is NOT set so nnn, nano, ranger won't run off the menu. I just did a 46 items replaceall '$TERMINAL'  'rxvt-unicode' in jwm/menu and it's fine now.
Thanks for a great Devuan derivative.

When I get through trying all the programs, I plan write a little blurb on the multiple 'onroots' and what they do. Not sure where to share it though.

#17 Re: Devuan Derivatives » CROWZ ASCII 2.1.0 release » 2019-11-29 20:16:50

I've been happily using Crowz on my old Thinkpad T61 since Oct. 2018.
However I changed to merged/beowulf repositories a long time ago:
deb beowulf main non-free contrib

deb beowulf-security main non-free contrib

I would think going back to ASCII would be reversing things for me.
But the again, what do I know?
Please illuminate me smile

#18 Re: Devuan Derivatives » CROWZ 32-bit i386-686 support » 2018-12-01 19:16:40

Stuck here on vacation with a 10 year old Lenovo T61 with only 2 GB RAM, I tried Crowz 32-bit( JWM) to see if I could get some speed out of it. Even with my password manager KeepassXC, scite, claws-mail, and typing this in Firefox I am only using 25% RAM per the nice little Conky across the bottom of the screen.  Ergo I have made Crowz my "Boot to" distro grub default.
Thanks for a great job.
Plus I'm trying to discern the advantages of Devuan over the Debian.
After reading antiX's author on the MX forum on the unpatchable Spectre issues of 32bit Intel, I reinstalled with the 64bit version of Crowz-JWM ... still on a 6 GB partition (/home elsewhere, of course).  Still flies and I'm happliy running gramps on it now and, through wine, using my old database favorites InfoSelect & TreePad Business smoothly. I di dump firefox for Palemoon - only 336MiB/1.92GiB as I write this!

Happy Holidays to all.

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