Apt does what I need it to do for me, I have a fast connection and install updates every couple of days. I have a cronjob that runs 'apt update' and then 'apt-get -s upgrade' so I get an email of what is available.  (you can also run 'apt list --upgradable', just diff looking output)

But it would be kind of nice to have apt show some color in the output, configurable of course. Perhaps using LS_COLORS like ls does somehow? It would make the output a little more lively.

@Lomax interesting. Althogh I am on Daedalus with XFCE 4.18.1 installed, and I don't see xfce4-mixer available to install.

I've used geeqie forever as my image viewer. In fact, I was using its predecessor gqview for so long that I aliased gqview to geeqie because I was so used to typing it and I couldn't adapt to typing geeqie.

I prefer inxi myself, much more and better info available. e.g. inxi -Fxxxm
I already know what the devuan logo looks like, I don't need it taking up terminal space.

Funny, I did almost that exact migration path... was pretty happy with Mint XFCE for many years, then after an upgrade started having startup/shudown issues.... that is when i learned what systemd was and that it was the default for Mint. it's also how I found Devuan, so it's all good.

Correct on the 5600XT. I already had it working, so already had the firmware installed. I checked, there isn't any newer in backports.

NOW I have upgraded to 6.0.0-0.deb11.6-amd64. This is really the first time I have needed or cared to get something from backports, so it's been a learning experience. Thanks for the help.

I had previously added the kernel params to /etc/default/grub, and the 6.0 kernel did NOT like them. Population of /dev timed out @180 sec upon boot, and then only 1 monitor was working. Removed them and all is fine!

This is veering a little off-topic, but this is just informational as to why I am waiting for Daedalus.

I am on Chimaera with a Ryzen 5 5600G, and I guess the issue was pretty prevalent with the 5600XT. I had a R9 380 previously with no issues. I started getting occasional freezes / crashes running 5.10.0-20-amd64 from backports. Without the backbport version the sensors weren't being recognized.

[amdgpu]] *ERROR* IB test failed on vcn_enc0
...
Msg issuing pre-check failed and SMU may be not in the right state!
Failed to export SMU metrics table!

Sometimes it would fail to boot with these errors.

I eventually landed on these kernel params which stabilized things. I've updated to 5.10.0-21-amd64 since then and have been meaning to try it out without the params, just haven't gotten around to it yet. The dpm and tsc were the ones I added for this specific issue.

pci=noats amdgpu.dpm=0 tsc=unstable

@rolfie - Thanks. Yes, I have found lots of topics, but nothing about the release itself. I just got a new-to-me card (amd RX 5600XT) and it's working ok after passing kernel params to stop the crashes.

@MrReplikant and @boughtonp Thanks, that gives me a general timeframe, that is all I was really looking for. The Devuan and Debian pages just speak in rough theories about releases, I was looking for 'best guesses' as to when that may be.

Now I need to decide if I want to dist-upgrade now, or just hang on for another couple of months. 

sudo apt install sysv-rc-conf maybe?

Thanks.  I started with Redhat in '98, then Mandrake in '02, and have been on Debian-based distros since '05 with Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Mint.  I've only been on Devuan since 2018.

I don't speak systemd - at least not yet. 

Short answer: No.

Longer answer:  Saying "create" implies there wasn't one prior to 2020.  There most assuredly was.  And sadly, much if not most of it is voluntary.  Most people simply DO NOT CARE.  If they did, Facebook wouldn't exist.  Google wouldn't have as much reach.  Twitter, Amazon, and the list goes on...

This is not to say that those companies don't provide some value, but it comes at a cost.  And one could argue that the value isn't always worth the cost.  There is no conspiracy, people willingly give up their information for whatever value they get from those companies.

That's not to say that the government wasn't in before these companies were.  They were in early.  In the early 90s I started working at one of the biggest cell phone company in the US.  Let's just say that one day several suits were in the office, talking to Sr Management about a need-to-know project.  Rumors were circulating, and then we were promptly informed that we were not to speak of said project ever again.