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#1 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-08 23:24:05

Thanks, chris2be8 and rayburn,

I already knew those tips, but then again, you two didn't know that I already knew them and even understood why they make sense.    wink

So your tips were very right-on and very appreciated.

And, to be perfectly honest, it's probably only a matter of time before I won't know those things any more, so reminders are a good thing for me.   wink

Thanks, again!

#2 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-07 14:52:50

WOW!

I'm really thankful for what I can tell is your excellent explanation. This morning, I am able to START to understand its details. Not enough to actually USE your suggestions, but at least I am starting to understand.

This morning, I watched a few YouTube videos on grsync, and I'm thinking of trying that to simply backup only my DATA to my external USB hard drive. It appears to be A LOT easier and less complicated to use than my old, existing rsync script, and it may be exactly what I want/need for THAT purpose.

I don't have any knowledge of installing/using any type of virtualbox, and my only other computer is my wife's computer. But I can never risk trying anything on that, because my wife has worked from home for many years, for a company that's hundreds of miles away, using that computer.

Yes, I got that all set up for her, back when I knew what I was doing.  wink

But I don't know what I'm doing any more, to be able to recreate her computer's setup, if I were to do anything that messed it up.

So I will continue to let my brain "heal" from my recent backup/restore fiasco, and see if I eventually get to the point where I am willing to buy a used PC, to use for experimenting with backing up and restoring my computer's system files.  wink

THANK YOU for understanding my condition and situation, and THANK YOU for your replies!

#3 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-06 20:11:58

Cool! Thank you!

I just got as far as your rsync command itself, and I felt my eyes glaze over!  wink

But it looks like it could be a good possibility for my future.

Because my brain is still too exhausted to actually read and understand your rsync command, could you tell a couple of things?

Would your rsync script backup my / only, or would it also backup my separate /home (with all of my newly-restored data in it)?

Did you include a "restore" script in your post? Again, my brain cells are currently still too full to even try to look.  wink

Once you somehow restore your backup to your local (or network) computer, what do you have to do to get it to boot, other than just use rsync to copy all of the system files into place? That's the part that still ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIES me. I've always felt very safe when my system is backed up, but I've recently learned (from my long and bitter experience) that a backup does me no good unless I can RESTORE it so that it will work.   wink

AGAIN, THANK YOU!   wink

#4 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-06 00:13:49

Thanks for reading my lo--ong post (!!!), AND FOR REPYING!

I also appreciate your tips about installing the command-line versions of Refracta.

After all the trouble that I just experienced, I don't know if I'll EVER have the courage to even TRY any sort of system backup again. I'm still kind of trembling, even after a couple hours of nervously watching TV.



For now, I'll just "live life," and if the idea eventually takes hold in my brain, I may try to figure out how to edit my rsync steps that I've used for years to backup only my DATA, so that they will work with my restored backup data's new location.

(In reality, that feeling may be mostly result of "shell shock." Maybe I'll change my mind some day, and want to try backing up my fully-configured system again.)

If I do, I'm sure that your suggestions will come in very handy. Thank you.

#5 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-05 19:28:10

Yes, I searched for "linux" and "refracta." That's why I kept finding stuff about Refracta Linux. I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb.  wink

In the past 2 days, I've spent 24 harrowing hours on this issue. Yes, you read that correctly. Twelve hours a day for two days.

NOW, I'm finally up and running again.

No matter what I tried, NOTHING would see my separate data partition.

This morning, I finally restored a 3-month-old backup of all of my data to a completely different place inside my home folder, which is mounted separately.

I think my problem is that I used to know a lot more about this stuff.

I used to be able to do a fresh install, and then -- with a couple of commands -- see all of my data.

Not so any more. It's been several years since I had to do it (I've done dist-upgrades for many years). I just don't remember the magic that I used to use to see my data.

None of this is anyone's problem but my own.

As for Refracta Snapshot and Refracta Installer, once I was able to find and APT install the installer, BOTH worked really quickly and easily.

Until that LAST step of the installer, when I thought it was going to congratulate me on restoring my snapshot, but instead, it gave me a lecture about BIOS and GPT and boot, and partitions. Other people probably know what to do. I didn't.

So I spent several hours, trying to get past the bootup black screen with the grub prompt.

Using my wife's PC, I found an excellent how-to by Carla Shroeder. Step-by-step instructions. Easy to understand.

I followed every step. EVERY STEP. Still got the grub prompt.

At the end of Carla's article, it says something like, "If you STILL can't get it to work, you'll need to use something like Super Grub2."

So, I downloaded Super Grub 2. It saved as an image (picture) file. When I tried to open it, my wife's computer spit up, trying to open it with LibreOffice Draw or GIMP or something.

So, I re-downloaded it. But when I tried to boot from it, the end of the boot process suddenly stopped and said something about waiting for the internet. Multiple boots, same problem.

That was how EVERYTHING went for me, for 2 DAYS. Run as fast as you can, and then suddenly slam into a wall. Sheesh.

Long story short, a fresh install, plus restoring 3-month-old backups, and many hours of painstaking configuration, finally got my system back to exactly where it was 3 days ago.

Don't ever have two strokes, if you can help it.  wink

Thanks if you tried to help me, or if you bothered to read this entire rant.

#6 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-04 16:33:05

I used APT to install refractainstaller-gui

and now Refracta Installer appears in my System menu, along with Refracta Snapshot.

Now I'll see if it works, or if maybe there's some other problem, maybe caused by Ventoy?

Thanks for the link to Refracta documentation. I've been looking for that since last night. Unfortunately, "Refracta" searches also turn up many links to the Refracta operating system.

#7 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-04 16:24:26

Well, that explains a lot.

It looks like DON'T HAVE THE REFRACTA INSTALLER!

How do I install the Refracta Installer? I have both Refracta base and gui installed, but I only see Refracta Snapshot.

And there is refractasnapshot  in /usr/lib/, but there is nothing about refractainstaller in there.

I don't even see refractainstaller in Synaptic package manager or in APT:

root@T3500:/usr/lib# install refractainstaller
install: missing destination file operand after 'refractainstaller'
Try 'install --help' for more information.
root@T3500:/usr/lib# apt install refractainstaller
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Package refractainstaller is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  refractainstaller-gui refractainstaller-base

E: Package 'refractainstaller' has no installation candidate

???

#8 Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-04 15:45:13

ComputerBob
Replies: 15

See thread title.

I have a fully-configured ISO that was created by Refracta Snapshot.

I'm running it right now as I type this from it on my Ventoy bootable flash drive.

My problem is that I NEED TO INSTALL IT to my hard drive, because I completely messed up Devuan on my hard drive. When I try to boot Devuan from my hard drive now, it stops and throws tons of error almost immediately.

But the .ISO that I created works great as a LIVE Devuan, but it doesn't automatically mount the other partitions that the hard drive's fstab automatically mounts (like my separate /data partition).

I can find NO INSTRUCTIONS ANYWHERE for how to INSTALL the Refracta-created .ISO -- all I ever see is articles all over the internet that tell how to CREATE the .ISO, and a few forum posts, here and there, that mention "just install the .ISO and you're good to go!"

Would someone please explain how to install the .ISO, so that I can restore Devuan to my hard drive?

THANK YOU for helping me!

UPDATE: Is it maybe because Ventoy is keeping me from seeing some kind of Refract Snapshot INSTALL option?

#9 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Kernel hardening for Intel CPU and fix memory leak in Linux » 2021-06-27 16:31:08

Eaglet wrote:
ComputerBob wrote:

In order for me to even CONSIDER making these types of changes, the person who wants me to do them has to be someone who has long- established themself as a TRUSTED expert who has a documented history of helping people like me.

I am not forcing you to do anything if you have not noticed. A smart person will study the proposal, perhaps with the help of other people, if his knowledge is not enough, and then decide whether he needs it. Don't insult me with your distrust!

I didn't mean to insult you.

When it comes to my computer, I distrust ANYONE who hasn't already earned my trust over time.

Also, I run a web site that has had 22 million visits from all over the world. I study its server logs every day. In all these years, I can't even remember the last time my site received a visitor from Russia (you have since changed your location to USSR) that wasn't malicious and needed to be blocked. So, I am especially suspicious of security advice from anyone who is from Russia.

Sorry, my feelings are based on my own experience, and are not personal against you.

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Kernel hardening for Intel CPU and fix memory leak in Linux » 2021-06-27 12:47:32

In order for me to even CONSIDER making these types of changes, the person who wants me to do them has to be someone who has long- established themself as a TRUSTED expert who has a documented history of helping people like me.

#11 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release » 2021-06-23 11:43:12

alexkemp wrote:
fsmithred wrote:
berni51 wrote:

Will a simple apt update/upgrade do the job and bring my systems up to 3.1?

Yes. Regular update/upgrade will get you there.

Unfortunately not on my system.

Each day I use:

sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f && sudo apt upgrade

Today that got me kernel 4.19.0-17 + an odd message about a potential 28 further upgrades. Re-running the commands now produces zero result. I'm still on beowulf-3.

Searching then showed this page & the possibility for beowulf-3.1.0 - but not for me.

This is sources:

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main non-free contrib 
## package repositories
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-updates main non-free contrib 
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-security main non-free contrib 
deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/ beowulf-proposed main non-free contrib  
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-backports main non-free contrib

Is this a clue?:

$ sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
Hit:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease
Hit:4 http://deb.devuan.org/devuan beowulf-proposed InRelease
Hit:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports InRelease               
Hit:6 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt alldist InRelease                    
Reading package lists... Done
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?

Those are zero-byte dpkg/lock + dpkg/lock-frontend files, but they appear to be long-established. Removing them made zero difference.

The final item is that I've tried editing 20auto-upgrades (first line from 1 to 0):

$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";
APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";

That seems to have made zero difference.

I'm out of ideas. All help appreciated.

Those "lock file" messages appear to me to be saying that you're running your commands as a normal user, not as root. Since you're using sudo, my guess is that something is wrong with -- or has changed --- in your sudo configuration.

#12 Re: Devuan » As Debian 11 moves closer to Devuan. Is there any reason to stay on De » 2021-06-14 14:15:20

Instead of trying to remember and re-post it all, I would like to point anyone who wonders about the OP's original question to read my very sincere and heartfelt answer to that question.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30200#p30200

As was previously said by others who, undoubtedly, are much more qualified than I am to speak:

"It's about more than the code."

#13 Re: Installation » Reasons to stay with Devuan » 2021-06-12 01:03:20

Even if I weren't convinced of Devuan's technical superiority to the very similar, but now-systemd-dependent distro that I used for years,

I still remember the first time I installed an booted up Devuan Ascii, several years ago. I was almost immediately struck by:

  • Devuan's ease of setup, configuration, and use

  • How much Devuan reminded me of a much-older, easier (for me to configure) version of my  previously used distro, BEFORE IT ADDED SYSTEMD.

During the years that I've been here, I've also been VERY impressed with Devuan's knowlegable, helpful, patient (not sarcastic) community, as demonstrated in this 110-post thread in which MY OWN STUPIDITY caused me to open and then keep the thread going to successful completion, AND this 2-post thread, in which I thanked everyone for their patient help, and apologized for having been so stupid.

I've used Linux full-time since 1996 (CORRECTION: IT WAS 2006), but I've personally never experienced that incredible combination of knowledge, skill, patience, and true helpfulness that I've seen AND EXPERIENCED here.

To me, not only is Devuan the best software, but, also, its community is as good as its software, and that's really important to me.

#14 Re: Off-topic » Today I Learned » 2021-06-08 13:55:50

dice wrote:
ComputerBob wrote:
dice wrote:

what did you learn today in the unix world?

I learned to understand about 1/4 of what you learned today.  wink

Hey glad you did, its bare bones type of stuff, that most dont even care about as the desktop environments handle all this.

Yup -- I thank God for desktop environments (Xfce here, for many years).  wink

#15 Re: Off-topic » Today I Learned » 2021-06-07 23:06:23

dice wrote:

what did you learn today in the unix world?

I learned to understand about 1/4 of what you learned today.  wink

#16 Hardware & System Configuration » THANK YOU, and I'M SORRY! » 2021-04-29 14:16:25

ComputerBob
Replies: 1

Yesterday, I posted the message below at the end of my earlier thread:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4188

BUT, with over 110 posts in that thread, chances are no one's going to trudge through all of that, or even SEE my newest addition to it, so I am posting it here, as a separate thread, in the hope that those who were SO KIND TO ME in that LONG thread might see it:
------------------------------
I now realize that this entire problem and LONG, LONG thread was MY FAULT.

My mistake (and your kindness) resulted in all of you spending HOURS and HOURS, trying to help me.

But you were all great! NO ONE ever told me, "Hey, you idiot, none of this would have happened if you had allowed enough work space on your hard drive for the software to work correctly!"

So, THANKS AGAIN, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AND INCREDIBLE PATIENCE WITH ME -- and I'm very, very sorry for causing so much trouble.

#17 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-04-28 15:07:14

I now realize that this entire problem and LONG, LONG thread was MY FAULT.

My mistake (and your kindness) resulted in all of you spending HOURS and HOURS, trying to help me.

But you were all great! NO ONE ever told me, "Hey, you idiot, none of this would have happened if you had allowed enough work space on your hard drive for the software to work correctly!"

So, THANKS AGAIN, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AND INCREDIBLE PATIENCE WITH ME -- and I'm very, very sorry for causing so much trouble.

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-04-02 23:29:22

Spock wrote:
ComputerBob wrote:

Back in the mid-90s, when I was just starting out with Linux, I used to experiment a lot and mess it all up.

Not knowing any other options at the time, I did A LOT of complete re-installng and re-configuring.

Over time, I messed up fewer and fewer things, so I didn't need to re-install very often.

I miss them days, I REALLY do
sometimes, and this is no exaggeration, I would go 96 hours without sleep just to learn stuff. I was so excited about it

PedroReina wrote:
Spock wrote:

I miss them days, I REALLY do

OK, but I'm quite sure that you know way more now. Enjoy, too smile


Ironically, at first I knew little about Linux, then I knew a little more, until I think I knew a lot more. My record was 137 hours, back before I knew anything about CSS, and I manually updated my 700+ (at the time) web pages and uploaded them to the web via my 24K dial-up connection (out in the country, with squirrels constantly dining on the overhead telephone wires).

Then, my 2 strokes hit, and I had to re-teach myself how to turn my head, open my left hand, walk, subtract one number from another,  drink liquids without choking, etc.

Nowadays, I'm a fraction of the man that I was before my strokes. On the other hand, I'm doing much, much better than I was right after the strokes. I don't remember as much about Linux, or have the Linux or overall confidence that I had at one time.

Struggling with basic movement and thought has become a higher priority. But Linux still offers me a welcome mental challenge, when I'm up to thinking about it.

It's funny how things like that constantly remind  me that life is temporary, and love is a choice.

#19 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Refractasnapshot - boot issue (not a Refractsnapshot issue) » 2021-04-02 11:55:51

I'm still here, as a monkey with a keyboard, if there is anything I can do to help.  wink

#20 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] My Devuan is sluggish. » 2021-03-22 17:46:36

Make sure that your swap file/partition is working?

#21 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-03-20 02:48:11

I had ASCII on sda1 (installed from scratch to straight gpt partition - no special secure boot or anything) for the past several years. To make sure that I still remembered how to install Devuan, I installed Beowulf (a brand new simple - not advanced install), and got it all configured, on a separate partition.

Once I was confident that that freshly-installed Beowulf was working great, on the separate partition, I waited  a few days, until  I got enough confidence to "risk" trashing my "perfect" existing ASCII install by doing an upgrade-in-place of it to Beowulf, still on sda1. I was very, very pleased with how quickly that upgrade process went, and how correct its results were.

I think that, earlier in this thread, I said that I had installed Beowulf on sda1 from scratch, but tonight, I remembered that, even though I had done that on a separate partition, the Beowulf that I've been using on sda1 USED TO BE ASCII, and was upgraded to Beowulf, preserving its autologin capability.

I don't know if any of that makes any difference to you, but, in case it does, I thought I'd better make it clear, now that I remember how it all happened.

#22 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-03-19 18:49:23

Wow, this is incredible! I looked and looked, but I couldn't find the site that had told me how to do my autologin back when I did it. There appear to be many different choices, depending whether you're using Light-DM or slim, or whatever. CONFUSED WAS I.

THEN, I took a chance and looked in my own saved installation notes from back then. And I found the instructions that I had saved, to make it easier to do autologins in the future:


LightDM configuration file is found at /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. Making a backup of the original configuration file is recommended.

Enable autologin

Look up this line in lightdm configuration file, UNCOMMENT IT and add your username.

CHANGE:
#autologin-user=

TO:
autologin-user=computerbob



NOTE: #autologin-user APPEARS IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE LIGHTDM.CONF FILE.
THE ONLY ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IS THE ONE IN WHICH THE EQUALS SIGN APPEARS IMMEDIATELY AFTER #autologin-user=

THE OTHER PLACE THAT IT APPEARS, THE EQUALS SIGN APPEARS AFTER A SPACE, LIKE THIS #autologin-user =
DON'T EDIT THAT LINE - ONLY EDIT THE LINE IN WHICH THE EQUALS SIGN APPEARS IMMEDIATELY AFTER #autologin-user

I'm so glad that my HD has a lot better (and longer) memory than I do!  wink

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-03-19 18:31:13

fsmithred wrote:

I still want to know what you did to set up autologin so that I fully understand the cause of the problem, in case someone else does the same.

I'm sorry I didn't remember to figure that out yet. I'm using Xfce, with whatever the default login manager is, but I first set it up years ago, in ASCII, and it was automatically upgraded to work when I finally got up the motivation and courage to upgrade ASCII to Beowulf a few weeks ago.

I promise that I will figure out what I did, and where I did it, to make autologin work.    wink

#24 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-03-19 13:35:41

dice wrote:

Glad you got it working Computer Bob. smile

Thank you guys!!!! Seriously, YOU GUYS got it working. I just followed instructions.   wink

#25 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backup entire installed Beowulf w/software + configs + /home? » 2021-03-18 17:29:07

IIRC, the whole "squashing" process took several minutes, with virtually no feedback, because the gui feedback progress, back-and-forth bar slowed way, way, down, then stopped altogether, even though (I figured out later) it was actually still "silently" working for several minutes -- while the command-line progress bar only updated two or three times during the whole process. But I'm really glad that they worked, even though, at the time, I suspected that they had locked up.   wink

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