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#2 Desktop and Multimedia » Install a KDE program, without KUserFeedback? » 2022-06-22 18:19:39

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Is there any way to install a KDE program, without installing the KUserFeedback package?
Although I'm using XFCE nowadays, there are some KDE programs I like (eg. K3b), but seems impossible to install them, without installing the infamous spyware KUserFeedback. It seems to be a requirement, to everything KDE related at repositories.


#3 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf 3.0.0 is here! » 2020-06-29 10:04:47

Congrats for the release!!!  wink

Until when, ASCII will be supported?
When is the time limit, for upgrading to stable?

#4 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-07-11 15:59:17

Panopticon wrote:

^ similar thoughts go to programmers who think maintaining 1 million lines of code is efficient i guess wink

+1  big_smile

#5 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-07-11 14:59:35

THANKS Pan!  wink

Panopticon wrote:

Devuan doesnt have nearly as many people contributing to the project that Debian does.

BTW, neither Debian has the plenty of developers who someone can remember from the past.
In the after-systemd era, many developers left the boat, while others remained inactive just waiting for the dust to settle.
I was reading a developer's blog who (at my astonishing) maintains >500 packages.

I have the utmost respect for such great efforts, but seriously, who thinks that managing more than half a million projects, is efficient enough?

I wanted just to clarify it, thus my comment.
On the other hand, being a person that left Debian (that I was following from it's very first versions) after the "systemd incident", slumming the door behind me, don't make me the best person to judge, so just my personal opinion!  cool

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Giorgos wrote:

any thoughts when Beowulf will be released?

When it's ready neutral

Although I don't generally disagree with it, please keep in mind that the after-systemd era Debian, is nowhere nearly stable as it used to be, due to a number of reasons.
In the long run, remaining at the old-stable for a long period, may be an unpleasant experience.

I understand and I really like the perfectionism of Devuan developers, but maybe a Debian-stable based version (even with some small underlying bugs), is a better idea than staying in old-stable for a long period. At least for desktops. Server distributions...that's another story.

And yes, I've lost my faith to Debian maintainers (and to their ability to maintain efficiently the old-stable), long ago.

Having said that...maybe a roadmap (even just for informational reasons) should be great!  cool

#6 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-07-10 08:57:49

Now that the new Debian stable version is out, any thoughts when Beowulf will be released?
I couldn't find any roadmap or something.

#7 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is "apt autoremove" still trustworthy (as it used to be)? » 2019-06-08 19:27:14

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Giorgos wrote:

I really think you have an attitude problem.


Giorgos wrote:

I don't like your tone and I'm not here to be involved on your personal flame wars.

It's outrageous that you are blaming an absent person, that can't defend himself.


Giorgos wrote:

Good luck with your project!

Just in case there is any confusion here: I have absolutely nothing to do with Devuan and my opinions are mine alone and do not reflect those of in any way.

I have no "project" ongoing.

Devuan's leaders has to do something about it, because  with persons like you in leadership, Devuan looks insanelly idiotic!

OK guys! If you want to turn Devuan users away from you, it's simple.
Just continue your idiotic way.

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is "apt autoremove" still trustworthy (as it used to be)? » 2019-06-08 19:05:26

I really think you have an attitude problem.

I don't like your tone and I'm not here to be involved on your personal flame wars.

It's outrageous that you are blaming an absent person, that can't defend himself.

I'm not interesting for your sayings. Have it your way.
Good luck with your project!

#9 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is "apt autoremove" still trustworthy (as it used to be)? » 2019-06-08 16:54:20

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The aptitude command auto-autoremoves so it must be "trustworthy",

OK! I'll try it (instead of apt).
THANKS for the suggestion!  wink

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

whether the user is also "trustworthy" is another question entirely...

Dear Head, you realizing that you're posting at Devuan's forum and not the Ubuntu's one?
How many chances you give, finding a novice or even an average Linux user here?

What? Metapackages???  yikes
Thanks but NO THANKS!!!
This is a sure way to turn your OS, into bloat and fatware.
Something like, what Open SUSE became.

#10 Desktop and Multimedia » Is "apt autoremove" still trustworthy (as it used to be)? » 2019-06-08 13:22:13

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What's your take?
Do you blindfold trust it?

Last  couple of months, it gave me some questionable results.
I'll give you an example:

1) I ran "apt autoremove"  (as root) -> no results.
2) I installed playonlinux.
3) It trigger the installation of cabextract, python-wxgtk3.0 and python-wxversion.

4) after playing some days, I uninstalled it.
5) I gave "apt autoremove"  (and answered "Y") and uninstalled the packages cabextract and libmspack0.

As one can see:
a) It failed to detect the python-wxgtk3.0 and python-wxversion packages and
b) It uninstalled libmspack0 that neither installed by playonlinux, nor was previously detected by "apt autoremove".

Ehm...I fell that I'm missing something!  roll

PS. ASCII is my 1st Devuan installation. I was on Debian till the Jessie release.

#11 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » X related questions. » 2019-06-07 18:02:18

Ooops!!! Indeed!  roll

THANKS Head_on_a_Stick!!!  wink

#12 Desktop and Multimedia » X related questions. » 2019-06-03 15:10:54

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Hi!  smile

I was playing XMahJongg these days and I have a couple of questions.
Not important ones though, I'm asking just out of curiosity:

1) Launching XMahJongg (from console) with the geometry argument (in order to fit the screen), like this "xmahjongg -g 1360X768", produces the error message "xmahjongg: warning: bad geometry specification".  yikes

Not any visible side-effects though. The game runs properly.

Why this error message? Running xrandr returns this mode as the active one: "1360x768_60.00  60.00".

2) Looking at it's source code, one can see (giving "./configure -h") a possible arguments for configure: "--with-x   use the X Window System".

Any idea, what it does???

Is anyone familiar with these X related things?
TIA!!!   cool

#13 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Any luck with the (Debian) backported OpenJDK-11? » 2019-05-30 14:38:29

Well...the only solution I found, is keeping both versions installed and switching to the newer one when needed and switching back to the normal one afterwards.

#14 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Any luck with the (Debian) backported OpenJDK-11? » 2019-05-29 18:47:36

Sorry James!  smile
I forgot to mention. I'm on ASCII x64.

I already installed v.11 of OpenJDK. The backported (to stretch) one.

#15 Desktop and Multimedia » Any luck with the (Debian) backported OpenJDK-11? » 2019-05-29 07:14:53

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I installed it today, replacing the repo version (8), but while it indeed works with some programs, some others are bringing up messages like:
"No suitable Java Virtual Machine could be found on your system.
The version of the JVM must be at least 1.8 and at most 1.12.
Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM".

Any ideas?  smile

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problematic wake-up, after sleep (ASCII). » 2019-05-09 18:17:39

THANKS Chris!  wink
I'll try pinging and I'll observe the the next crash.

#17 Hardware & System Configuration » Problematic wake-up, after sleep (ASCII). » 2019-05-09 03:18:32

Replies: 2

Hi!  smile

Sometimes, when (after sleep) my systems wakes up, it ends up on a black screen with a blinking cursor.
Nothing seems to work, and pressing at the keyboard ctrl-alt-F1 (or anything else), doesn't do something.
The only way to continue, is the hard reboot.

Is there any way to find out, what's going wrong?
TIA!  cool

#18 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Freshclam error (?) message [SOLVED]. » 2018-12-23 00:40:38

Oh I see!
Clamd is indeed convenient, but it's an ~600MB daemon.
No way to load at every boot a 600MB daemon, just for a manual scan of a bunch of files, in a monthly basis.
Clamscan, is more than OK to me.

Seems to be a bug to me.
Since I don't use clamd, it supposed not to bring up clamd related warnings.



What needed was commenting out the NotifyClamd line (at clamd.conf).
Thanks to J.R. from Clamav users maillist.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!!! :-)

#19 Desktop and Multimedia » Freshclam error (?) message [SOLVED]. » 2018-12-22 18:10:50

Replies: 2

Hi!  smile

I edited /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf (and changed Checks -> 0), in order not to autoupdate.
I'm running as root "freshclam", if in need to update it's databases.
So far, so good.

My problem is, that every time freshclam updates the database, at the end displays the message:
"!NotifyClamd: Can't find or parse configuration file /etc/clamav/clamd.conf".

Clamd.conf exists and lives at this exact location.
Any hint, what this message means?  yikes
TIA!  cool

#21 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] bugs cannot be reported » 2018-12-16 02:19:35

KatolaZ wrote:

Also, since Devuan has not forked Gparted, it is probably better to submit the bug upstream (i.e., at

Ehm...sounds silly, but how can someone find the packages who are forked (so he can submit reports only against them)?

PS. Submitting bug reports for Debian stable, is virtually pointless.
Debian developers seems to take on account bug reports, from testing or unstable only.

#22 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Dmesg question [SOLVED]. » 2018-12-06 17:50:28

THANKS Chris!!!  big_smile

I pressed ctrl-S and although the messages disappeared from the screen, pressing ctrl-alt-F1 take me to the boot screen again, where I was able to read the message.

#23 Hardware & System Configuration » Dmesg question [SOLVED]. » 2018-12-06 16:16:13

Replies: 2

Hi!  smile

How can I see my error bootup messages?
I opened as root the text file /var/log/dmesg, but it doesn't display all of them.
I tried also as root with the dmesg command, with similar results.

What I wanted to see, is a network manager related message, that said it that can't load the respective daemon.

TIA!  cool

#24 Re: Off-topic » KDE alternatives suggestions? » 2018-11-29 00:23:03

spartrekus wrote:

It is rather better to do it by hand.

After a clean debootstrap, just run: apt-get install rox-filer feh scrot xinit wdm blackbox

you have your desktop wink

That's what I call hacking! ;-)
I'll definitely try it!

spartrekus wrote:

However, kde is fast, and reliable. It is easy to use for a whole family.

really kde is the best desktop,

Well...I went the KDE way ~ at 2005 with Kubuntu. Many days passed since then and many things changed.
I'm not sure that I like all the changes committed since then. And I don't like the bonds neither with mobile interface, nor with systemd.

OK. Different people, different opinions. That's the open source beauty.

spartrekus wrote:

which can go far better than windows ms desktop !

I agree 100%.
M$ Windows, is pure slavery in a modern cover.
Maybe shiny and glittering, but pure slavery.
I always have a Windows installation, but only for games and minor computing tasks.

#25 Re: Off-topic » KDE alternatives suggestions? » 2018-11-28 19:36:01

sgage wrote:

If you've been using KDE for a long time, you will find that any other DE does things 'counterintuitively' - people always confuse 'intuitive' with 'what I'm used to after years of learning and using it'. There will be a learning curve. I think your best bet is to just try out a couple of different ones, see what you like.

No  this isn't the case I think.
OK Trinity is KDE 3 actually, rebranded and maintained.
On the other hand, LXQt is nowhere near the KDE design (It reminds me LXDE of course and XFCE), but with a first test drive seems to me, both intuitive and productive.

Power of habit must not take away from us, our freedom.
Still, I strongly dislike mobile-like interfaces. I'm not forcing mobile users to use desktop interface, so I won't allow anyone to force me using a mobile interface on my desktop. :-)
Beyond that, If I was in mood for a mobile interface I was using Gnome, not a half baked solution of pre-Alpha quality (KDE or Plasma, or whatever name they're giving it nowadays).

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