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#1 Re: News & Announcements » Amprolla3 is out for testing » 2017-10-21 14:44:26

I changed to 

list my sources.list
#deb jessie main
deb jessie main  <---
#deb-src jessie main

# jessie-security, previously known as 'volatile'
#deb jessie-security main non-free
deb jessie-security main non-free    <---
#deb jessie-security main
#deb-src jessie-security main non-free

# jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
#deb jessie-updates main non-free
deb jessie-updates main non-free    <---
#deb-src jessie-updates main non-free

#deb experimental main
#deb jessie contrib

and got these three updates:   my last update was 10-13

olzeke51@devuan:/$ apt list --upgradable
Listing... Done
wpasupplicant/stable-security 2.3-1+deb8u5 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.3-1+deb8u4]
xserver-common/stable-security 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2 all [upgradable from: 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u1]
xserver-xorg-core/stable-security 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2 amd64 [upgradable from: 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u1+b1]

but I didn't do the devuan-keyring install per

so I tried to install it and got this -- [last keyring updated on 10-13!!-my last update]

olzeke51@devuan:~$ sudo apt-get install devuan-keyring
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
devuan-keyring is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

is that a bug??  I can report it if you think it is.
I would have assumed a new server would need a new keyring??
Just trying to shed a little light - on my assumption

#2 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] ascii wicd naming issue » 2017-10-17 17:21:22

Thank you Thank you, fsmithred
google usually came up with sysctrl blah blah
   (which I was pretty sure of being systemd)

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] ascii wicd naming issue » 2017-10-17 12:52:17

I edited my original post with this bit of info

EDIT>>> I had to reboot - logging out didn't bring the network up
EDIT>>> and not sure how to stop/start services - more to learn !!

@r.r - you know , I was suspicious of that possibility - but too lazy to try it -
wasn't sure what the timeout was/is

@r.r  - udev/eudev warts  - I like that !!

#4 Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] ascii wicd naming issue » 2017-10-16 19:42:05

Replies: 7

loaded up my  ASCII32(bit) DVD dated 08-22-17
did a Refracta install from the gui apps menu of XFCE to a sda3 primary partition
on reboot I couldn't get my WIRED network to connect and don't have wireless
used to get my network device name (after much playing around)

ip netconf

my device was named enp2s3 !!!  not eth0
more playing/hunting around [this is ascii - so its okay]
I had to change some info in this file - be careful - no warranty included
Olzeke51@ascii32:~$ sudo cat /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf
[sudo] password for Olzeke51:
backend = external
wireless_interface = None
wired_interface = enp2s3
wpa_driver = wext
always_show_wired_interface = True
use_global_dns = False

I edited the bold items   [can't bold inside of a code block!]
and now it works - even after a reboot  smile

EDIT>>> I had to reboot - logging out didn't bring the network up
EDIT>>> and not sure how to stop/start services - more to learn !!


Olzeke51@ascii32:~$ apt-cache policy wicd
  Installed: 1.7.4+tb2-4
  Candidate: 1.7.4+tb2-4
  Version table:

FWIW #2  - I did an apt update/upgrade  - with 100+ changes and now

Olzeke51@ascii32:~$ uname -a
Linux ascii32 4.9.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.51-1 (2017-09-28) i686 GNU/Linux

HTH someone - I did follow the DNG mailing list (for a while) in re: to network device nameing;
never got the final on what naming scheme Devuan was going to follow.  --ascii appears to use
the newer scheme!

#6 Re: Documentation » HOWTO: Post-Installation Configurations » 2017-10-08 00:00:04

@greenjeans wrote:

Never understood the use of sudo, on a list of "worst ideas ever for linux" it ranks right up there with dconf and systemd IMO.

well - as I understand it - Linux is a multi-user system - so someone has to be the boss/admin
Now it is true that most linux downloads are most likely for single user/desktops - so root/sudo becomes a grey area.: IMO
Not sure what the answer is - there is a lot of debate about it
I am not taking a stand on it


#7 Re: Documentation » HOWTO: Post-Installation Configurations » 2017-10-07 23:54:21

thanks @macondo
I didn't have the NOPASSWD in the sudoers file,
(fwiw - I had to 'sudo visude' to modify the file !)

#8 Re: Documentation » HOWTO: Post-Installation Configurations » 2017-10-07 23:43:14

sudo   - so what do you use for root priviledges??
(I used sudo before I used ubuntu)
I'm in the sudoers file but still have to do the password from time to time
[with the ALL settings in sudoers!}

#9 Re: Installation » fonts » 2017-10-07 23:16:41

AFAIK - the package maintainer/programmer deems then necessary for optimal use.

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ZFS missing init scripts » 2017-10-02 00:12:59

I think you would get an earlier answer if you went to
the irc channel #devuan-dev(s) ?? 
or just #devuan
HTH -gz

#11 Re: Off-topic » free software alternative to Teamviewer? [SOLVED] » 2017-09-12 19:27:02

@fungus - that was


#12 Re: Installation » Adding packages require CD-ROM? » 2017-09-11 19:06:29

My experience is like @nobodyuknow  - the cd rom stays enabled - and there are two lines
one is commented out and the other right below it.
I just took it as part of the cd install
[that being said - I usually choose not network install as I feel the CD loads the basic sytem
faster than downloading. 
' then I comment the "cdrom" source and get the rest via the standard locations

#13 Re: Off-topic » recordmydesktop: testing it, because it doesn't require pulseaudio? » 2017-09-08 14:52:28

MiyoLinux wrote:

    greenjeans wrote:

        vlc v4l2://

        trying to see if this universally works

    I've never seen that command before though. I won't be able to try it out until tomorrow though. Grrr...

    Thanks greenjeans!

I tried this on my Jessie 1.0

olzeke51@devuan:~$ vlc v4l2://
VLC media player 2.2.6 Umbrella (revision 2.2.6-0-g1aae78981c)
[000000000132f118] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[00007f4c0c000ec8] v4l2 demux error: cannot open device '/dev/video0': No such file or directory
[00007f4c0c000ec8] v4l2 demux error: cannot open device '/dev/radio0': No such file or directory
[00007f4c0c000ec8] v4l2 access error: cannot open device '/dev/video0': No such file or directory
[00007f4c18000bc8] core input error: open of `v4l2://' failed

and when VLC opened up it's gui - I got an error gui popup also :: with the following

Your input can't be opened:
VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2://'. Check the log for details.

Don't know what I am doing - but hope this helps (muddy the waters??)

#14 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ascii & Ceres lightdm/xorg broken » 2017-09-07 00:13:22

@fungus  - there was a member (iirc  dai_trying ) on the Q4OS forum that did a lot of DM and such testing .
He came up with script to save his home settings - all those 'hidden .rc type files" so that they wouldn't
interfere with each other when he switched.  - He said that sometimes settings would get written over or
deleted and it was a lot of work to 'un-switch'.
HTH - but it might be a little work

#15 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Security updates for devuan jessie » 2017-09-03 16:03:37

When you folks talk about 'testing' a distro - what do you do??
I load them and run some Internet stuff, check my audio, and a terminal, a 'notepad-type' editor.
ya' know - basic workhorse stuff  - I'm not artistic, musical

Should I be doing - graphics?, playing with different 'themes' and desktop environments?
IMO 'themes' are pretty much a ....  - I know  - Linux is about 'freedom of choice"!!
( 5 or 6 basic color combination is all that is needed )  - - it seems that about 25% of trouble tickets
are related to font size in so-and-so DE, or a panel/menu doesn't fade/overlay/align!!
Well wait a minute - Gary  :: Linux has a work side and a fun size   -- OKAY - back on track
It is a question - I want to try and help Devuan debug ascii and ceres .

#16 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] pkexec authenticates without password » 2017-08-31 16:16:00

Well, did a little reading on "so many policykits"
I learned that program starting is a 2 step process (at least)  - very simplified
step 1 -PAM (/etc/pam.d)  Authenticates  who you are
step 2 -Polkit - Authorizes what you can do/run   - based upon being 'Authenticated'
I didn't get an answer as to why so many "polkits"  -- unless they are a wrapper for
the official Polkit  --[ie creates the  PAM files and policy files for their respective programs
      mate menu items   /   lxde menu items   /  gnome base structure  /  etc.
just posted this as aFWIW - shed some possible light on the variations that @fsmithred encountered

#17 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-31 00:50:20

according to

Bottom line: apt=most common used command options from apt-get and apt-cache.

it can also modify apt.conf
easy 'list'

olzeke51@devuan:~/DOSbox/C$ apt list slim
Listing... Done
slim/stable,now 1.3.6-5+devuan4 amd64 [installed,automatic]

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wicd/system-wide permissions? » 2017-08-31 00:42:31

Not sure how your ~ (home) is setup - but I noticed my.xsession-errors was upto 6.8Mb  !!
I don't have a ~/.xinitrc file - so I must be using a global one. [can't send you a normal user]
Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u3 (2017-08-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
with a XFCE desktop, aaaand should be slim loginMgr  - 'which' doesn't report lightdm

#19 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » preferable add ons firefox for video » 2017-08-31 00:26:04

Does ANYBODY have an idea what it costs to run a DNS server???
Do the DNS servers check on who is using them?  I thought you could pick any of them for web usage.
I know that if you have your own website that you pay to have it DNS'd.
@Droidus -- I was surprised by what is going back and forth.  I had Conky going on AntiX-16 and about every
10 secs. I had a 215-byte download reported but no corresponding upload !!!!!
I put "Snort"?? (reminded me of a pig- somehow) on a Windoze machine -WOW
I wonder if "Matrix" knew what they would start with the  red & blue pills !!

#20 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-29 22:08:01

I think the Dell is more popular, but I found the Toshiba to be stronger, at a close 2nd.

#21 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » on network-manager, how to run bash script before connecting to wifi? » 2017-08-29 21:27:27

Well,  not in my experience area -- but is wicd run by a sysvinit script on startup??
You know - one of the rc.d type files iwth the numbers in the name for the start/kill priority.

#22 Re: Other Issues » Libreoffice update in ASCII » 2017-08-26 12:58:42

@golinux #10 comment  - I must be using the wrong command/information to check...
It shows up (now?) on apt-get and apt-cache

#23 Re: Other Issues » Libreoffice update in ASCII » 2017-08-25 20:54:18

@apprentice - thanks for offering an option,
unfortunately - the wps community site doesn't show/reveal 'abiword' when I do a webpage search.
I did the main page and the front page for the forum, or development
.once In the 'Forum' page there was one reference to 'abiword' per their search algorithm
I did Libre writer going with the java de-select.

#24 Re: Other Issues » Libreoffice update in ASCII » 2017-08-25 00:07:06

Helped me out also -- it(writer) kept disappearing when I tried to start it.
will try the java thing
I used to use Abiword on Mepis and AntiX -- is there another option??
again, thanks  - community helping others - Nice

#25 Re: Other Issues » refracta-tools in experimental :: minor error » 2017-08-24 11:24:07

@fungus  - that error message came up on my (just created) hardddrive version of ascii-32bit.
[not copied or run from usb]
I was running through the gui, had selected the configuration menu choice for both
config files. -

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