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Hello:
Merry Xmas. 8^)
A discussion thread on reddit ...
Having formed my opinion with respect to systemd many years ago (before settling on Devuan), the first thing that came to mind when I saw the title of this thread was that it should not be here but (if at all) in the [Index -> Discuss -> Off Topic] category.
More so if it is crossed linked to another thread on reddit with a title as bait-ty as the one linked.
Please don't take it personally: we have all been there at one time or another.
TL;DR
I doubt that anyone here at Dev1 hates systemd and like John Bercow*, most "couldn't give a flying flamingo" about it.
That said, I am certain that most everyone here knows all there is to know about systemd.
Which is why we run our boxes on Devuan Linux and belong to this forum.
As always, YMMV.
Best,
A.
* Speaker - UK House of Commons - 2009/2019
Hello:
Just a short note to wish one and every member of this forum a very Merry [ fill in ] and Happy [ fill
in ] *and* especially thank the maintainers / programmers / moderators and collaborators at Dev1 you for all the work you do.
Best,
Altoid
Hello:
... also updated Devuan Stable on my system.
Ahh ...
Therein lies the difference.
ie:
Devuan [stable] is now Excalibur, released 2025-11-02.
As a consequence, Daedalus is now [oldstable].
Thanks for your input.
Best,
A.
Hello:
I run an up to date Devuan Daedalus:
$ uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-41-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.158-1 (2025-11-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ I have all these keys as well as those prevously posted:
$ ls -1 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
debian-archive-bookworm-automatic.asc
debian-archive-bookworm-security-automatic.asc
debian-archive-bookworm-stable.asc
debian-archive-bullseye-automatic.asc
debian-archive-bullseye-security-automatic.asc
debian-archive-bullseye-stable.asc
debian-archive-trixie-automatic.asc
debian-archive-trixie-security-automatic.asc
debian-archive-trixie-stable.asc
devuan-keyring-2016-archive.gpg
devuan-keyring-2022-archive.gpg
devuan-keyring-amprolla-2022-archive.gpg
devuan-keyring-daedalus-archive.gpg
devuan-keyring-excalibur-archive.gpg
$ Only times I have had an issue with apt it was due to some round-robin malfunction.
Just a question of waiting 15' and trying again.
Now ...
rm on devuan-keyring-2016-archive.gpg and devuan-keyring-2022-archive.gpg screws up apt update.
So it would seem that they are current and needed.
Should they be replaced?
ie: because of the 2022 and 2016 dating?
No idea how all this works.
I'd appreciate a heads up.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... maybe a specialized question for the wine developers?
Right on the dot you are.
Wine has nothing to do with how Linux works, so this is really not the place to ask.
Where could I ask them this question directly?
Here: https://forum.winehq.org/viewforum.php?f=8
I fully understand what you are referring to and am currently suffering some of it. (I run IrfanView and Pegasus Mail)
But I doubt that it is something that can easily be done.
Each and every MS application does [whatever] within (as you say) the MS ecosystem but Wine does not provide an ecosystem.
ie: it is not an emulator so it does not emulate an MS ecosystem: it just gives each of the applications the shit they need to work in Linux.
At least that is what I think I understood.
Best,
A.
Hello:
So no, no surprises here.
Crikey!!!
Was I ever wrong!
Shortly after I received the reply to my query from the chaps at WD, they sent me an email asking for my opinion on their tech support.
Email which, although ignored, they sent again sometime later.
And then again.
Not wanting to let them down and now feeling inclined to oblige, I replied.
As subtly as possible I wrote that I found their tech support to be lacking as my question had not been answered.
And that no, I would not in any way recommend their products.
And left it at that.
Not to be deterred, WD once again reached out to me, as always in html format.
So, for the amusement of all my fellow forum members, what follows is the complete and unabridged content of their last email:
Incident Update
Case #: 9554268 | Reference #: 251127-000612Hello Julius Henry*,
We would like to inform you that we have escalated your question to our engineers and will send you their response below:Thank you for your interest in our products. The information you’re requesting is not publicly available. If you’d like to engage with us on a more strategic level, which would involve purchase minimums and non-disclosure agreements, please complete this form and choose the topic “Looking to Purchase (For Business).
https://www.westerndigital.com/company/contact-us
Unfortunately, we don't support Linux, so we can't comment on the status of the logs you provided. If you'd like to check the drive's functionality, we recommend connecting it to a Windows computer and using our WD Kitfox tool:Download, install, test, and erase data using Western Digital Kitfox: https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/d … a_id/51537
If you have any further questions, please reply to this email and we will be happy to assist.
Alternatively Julius Henry, you can start a live chat with one of our support specialists on this link - at the bottom right of the new page, just click the chat bubble! If you prefer to call us, click here.Sincerely,
Dmitro D
Western Digital Customer Service and Support
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I found most interesting the references to the information requested not being "publicly available", engaging with them "on a more strategic level" and the "purchase minimums and non-disclosure agreements" to do so.
No to mention the "we don't support Linux" bit. 8^D !!!!
I have to hand it to these chaps, they have really made an effort to look like idiots.
Best,
A.
* my nom de curmudgeon
Hello:
Welcome to Devuan.
... the Devuan install on the Philips drive is fine ...
... it is just the HP that refuses.
Right.
The problem you have is a BIOS related hardware / Windows installation problem.
If you don't need it, you may be able to fix it by clearing out the Windows installation.
ie: full HDD format.
Or maybe boot the machine without the HDD, if possible.
Otherwise, you need the key if you want access to the Elitebook/HDD as it is.
The previous owner of the Elitebook may have the key.
Or you may be able to recover it from the Windows installation.
See here:
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/i … 6600360-16
The Devuan install on the USB is not at fault.
The problem is the MS/HP arranged protection racket in the HDD. 8^°
Best,
A.
Hello:
... better Tahoma font ...
I played around with all the installed *.ttf fonts and found that [Calibri 16] did fine for now.
I also did a regedit for [HIGHDPIAWARE] which seems to have done something.
Curiously enough, the other suggested editions were already done.
[OT] (again)
Adding the missing [arial.ttf] to the fonts directory now made the text above the icon buttons too small.
I do recall I had this same issue many years go but cannnot recall if I fixed it of just kept the font that fit.
In any case, I cannot find a way to change the font or size.
[/OT]
If you have a solution to that, please consider starting a new thread.
I would not want to hijack this one which is about Wine but not related to PMail.
Thanks for your input.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... actually useful ...
All information is useful.
Information is power.
... small thing but very annoying ...
Quite so.
Seeing it solved made me realise just how annoying it was.
Thanks again.
... a subforum for Wine-related questions is a good idea ...
... nice to have a 'native' place ...
Indeed.
Makes two of us.
Now let's see what management opines.
[OT]
My $WINEPREFIX/drive_c/windows/Fonts/ directory has now gone from being barren/empty to having one *.ttf.
Something tells me that there should be more fonts there as some system and menu legends don't look so good.
What should I populate it with?
[/OT]
Best,
A.
Hello:
... buttons are missing minimize/maximize/close symbols:
Yes !!!
Thank you very much for that. =^)
It was the one annoying thing I have been procrastinating about for the longest while.
Actually for a few years, never got around to it.
Thanks a lot for your input.
Suggestion:
How about an [Index] entry with the [Wine & Devuan] label to post solutions such as this last one?
Best,
A.
Hello:
... using wine for a while. On ASCII and on Chimaera.
I started to use Wine when I moved permanently to Linux.
Before that, I double booted Linux and XPSP3 solely because of my long time email client: David Harris' Pegasus Mail which I have used since W3.11.
Being able to use Wine/Pegasus Mail was the deal breaker.
Once I got Wine running on Linux (Ubuntu? Mint? CrunchBang? cannot recall), that was it, no more XP.
I do recall that one distribution (Mint?) included a very easy to install Wine package in their repositories.
Once installed, everything was in place and worked right out-of-the-box, installing a Windows application was a breeze.
I have had Wine in every distribution since then and have had it running on Linux Devuan since Jesse, ca. 2017.
No mayor problems to speak of. A bonus to all that was that I did not have to ditch my all time favourite photo application: Irfan Skiljan's Irfan View.
That's about it.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... don't like XFCE, and I have no idea why it is the default desktop ...
+1
Devuan Linux could very well use what #!++ and BunsenLabs have as default: a customised Openbox WM.
To do that would probably mean much less work for the devs at Devuan.
Those who want / need a desktop could install Mate.
As always, YMMV.
A.
Hello:
Welcome to Dev1.
... don't want any screensaver or automatic putting the display to sleep ...
... still turning off the display after some minutes ...
Open a terminal and run this:
$ xset -qIn a section labelled [Screen Saver:] you will see the working settings.
I understand that they override all other settings.
See [man xset] for details on how to set them.
Best,
A.
Hello:
thanks ...
You're welcome.
... drive in question is a "NVME" ...
Yes.
Please go over my post again.
... should be like "blazing fast".
NVMe does not necessarily mean "blazing fast".
eg: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingston-nv2-ssd
There are many factors at play.
Like I wrote previously, you may want to consider running R+W tests with the [gnome-disk-utility] (on both drives) to see what speeds you get.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... this can't be quite normal ...
Bear in mind that normal is a statistical term.
ie: conforming to a generalised pattern, known mean or median.
An expected average, if you will.
Up to a few years ago, if you purchased any Kingston memory product, you could rest assured that you had a quality product in you hands.
That was the normal in those days, Kingston = Quality.
Unfortunately, that is no longer the case and given what the chip market is going through due to the A1 delirium, things will not get better.
Quite the contrary, prices are rising steadily and the quality of consumer memory products are decaying.
If interested, see what happened when I puchased a set of three Kingston DataTraveler Exodia M USB 3.2 USB drives without noticing that there was no data sheet included or printed inside the cardboard blister as usual.
TL;DR
We apologize if you are dissatisfied with your product. The Exodia USB drive's are a basic low cost model with no minimum performance ratings based off the datasheet.
The reference is to the inexistent data Kingston included in the package.
You don't post the specifics (Kingston part #) of the drives you are using but I suggest you do a search on the web for any of the sites* that publish tests as well as any specs Kingston may have published in their web page.
* one is ssd-tester.com, there are others.
You could also run a benchnmark test on the drives via the [gnome-disk-utility] which is accurate enough to give you an idea as to what is going on.
You will probably have to clear / reformat the drive to test it properly.
Edit:
See this test at Tom's Hardware.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... version was 6.12 not 6.17.
Right, I sould have caught that one ... 8^°
Let's see ...
Kernel 6.1 (ie: Linux version 6.1.0-41-amd64) is the up to date Devuan Daedalus kernel version.
That is the one that does not have any issues.
Correct?
Kernel 6.12 (ie: Linux version 6.12.57+deb12-amd64) is a backported kernel.
It is found in http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports.
That is the one with the freezing problem.
Correct?
Bear in mind that (as I understand it) the case for using a backported kernel can be made when your box is running an oldstable release (like Daedalus today) on newish hardware which may be able to take advantage of whatever the backported kernel may offer for it.
Or not ...
That does not seem to be the case for your (ca. 2012) HP Z10.
ie: not newish.
For the sake of illustrating this: I run an up to date Devuan Daedalus on a ca. 2007 Sun Ultra 24 (Intel Q9550) on the very same 6.1 kernel you run on.
Without any issues so I don't think I need a backported kernel.
I doubt there is a microcode component to the freezing problem your box.
More knowledgeable members of the forum may have a different opinion.
You may want to consider burning a live Excalibur *.iso and testing it on your box to see how it behaves.
ie: freezes and such.
It may be that the backported kernel (for whatever reason) misbehaves but the Excalibur kernel does not.
Let us know about it.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... 6.1 kernel I can view in dmesg that the first thing loaded is the microcode ...
... newer kernel this microcode is not loaded though.
Kernel 6.17 is Sid/Ceres unstable.
You may need to install the microcode package from the non-free firmware repository
ie: http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/non-free-firmware amd64
Q: is it in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
See here: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 1.84.38.37
If that does not solve the issue, it may(?) be due to the box being ca. 2012 and having a BIOS issue.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... create or install templates?
You may want to consider keeping in mind that sometimes [Google] can, in spite of the A1 crap, be your friend ...
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=172886 *
* First hit for [nemo file templates].
A.
Hello:
Welcome to Dev1.
... have a problem.
... Artix Plasma
... Thinkpad P53 ...
Thunderbolt 3 docking station.
I fear that while you have supplied some data, it is not enough for anyone to be able to help you.
To start, what base Devuan release you are using.
I would assume Daedalus (?), but that is just me assuming.
ie: the output of
~$ uname -aThen, the brand/model of the docking station would be one very important bit.
Also, if you are using the PS/cables supplied for the docking station or are using a different PS or other non-OEM cables; it can be a problem if the cables are not the excat spec the docking station requires.
Then comes the proof of life, so to speak:
The [dmesg] printout with the docking station and monitors in place and powered on.
That would give us an idea of what is going on with the docking station / monitors as your Thinkpad boots.
BTW: please make sure you use the proper [tags] when posting the dmesg output.
eg:
--- snip ---
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU106GLM [Quadro RTX 3000 Mobile / Max-Q] (rev a1)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation CoffeeLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics 630] (rev 02)
--- snip ---Something you may want to consider trying (to rule out any Artix Plasma issues) is to boot a Devuan Live *.iso and see how it goes.
Best,
A.
Hello:
... only one word was needed: ineptitude.
And it seems to be a gift that keeps on giving ...
Cloudflare suffers second outage in as many months during routine maintenance
The Reg is still standing (this time) despite our best efforts
by Richard Speed - Fri 5 Dec 2025 // 10:16 UTC
https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/05/ … age_again/
Best,
A.
Hello:
... looking for VirtualBox in the repositories ...
See here.
This is what is available from the repositories.
7.2.4-dfsg-1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/contrib amd64
5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1 http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports/contrib amd64
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1 http://archive.devuan.org/merged jessie/contrib amd64
Two archived versions and one in testing/unstable.
No idea why it is not in the Debian repository (but not being there is the main reason it is not in the Devuan repository).
Maybe Debian has some temporary beef with VirtualBox till they can move it to a stable release?
Who knows ...
I use this version downloaded from the VirtualBox repository:
virtualbox-7.0/now 7.0.20-163906~Debian~bullseye amd64 [installed,local]# virtual box repository x installation
# deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ bullseye non-free contrib
# deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ bookworm non-free contrib Just in case, I have not updated it as it works fine as it is.
But then I don't use it for anything complicated. ie: a server or such.
Most important thing I run at every boot is a headless Chimaera VM for PiHole+Unbound, no issues to speak of.
There's also an XPSP3 VM and a stock untouched (save updates/upgrades) Daedalus VM which I bring up when needed.
Like I said, no issues to speak of.
Best,
A.
Edit:
Here you go --> https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
Hello:
For whatever reason, access to that link is blocked, at least for me.
In case anyone else has the same problem and wants to read about it, here is another link to the same story:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … quor-store
But not only in the US, AUssies have their own:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ … s-18-beers
Best,
A.
Hello:
... post again if / when I get a reply ...
Got a reply after a few days.
As expected, nothing new, just the obvious:
Recently you requested personal assistance ...
Blah, blah, blah.
--- snip ---
... you'd like to clarify what TRIM does. <- Yes, on a HDD
... TRIM is an Advanced Technology Attachment (ATA) command. <- Really?
... allows the operating system to tell the HDD when it can delete data blocks so they can be reused ... <- must be magic.
... works with Garbage Collection to clean up the drive. It can improve performance and extend the life of the drive.<- HDDs?
--- snip ---
As you can gather, my specific question was *not* answered.
ie: just what does [TRIM] do on a HDD (spinning rust)?
Further on there is a link which takes me to a page that does not have a link to the only WD document* with some information on what I wanted to know albeit with no clear answer.
* It is linked to on my previous post.
So no, no surprises here.
Best,
A.
Hello:
Perhaps this ...
It's not nice to be mean to old cantankerous bastards ... 8^D !!!
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Best,
A.
Hello:
It's KDE ...
Ahh ...
Should have known.
The description was the giveaway.
... tool to accomplish various tasks. (that's me)
So that makes two of us.
... a complete immersive cinematic-style experience ...
Please ...
Like I said: the end is near.
Best,
A.