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#1 Re: Other Issues » Kernel 6.1.0-50 for daedalus got a bug it seems... » 2026-07-12 21:12:10

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... yet it's showing 2.27 gb in conky (fs_used) and 2.3 from the df command.

Me thinks [df -h] is rounding out.
Maybe there is a switch to make it give you decimal numbers?

I haven't found anything save using a script to parse.

This is on [Daedalus] after the last large update / upgrade:

$
uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-50-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.176-1 (2026-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ 
$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on                             
/dev/sda1        40G  9.9G   30G  26% /                 # conky reports 9.86GiB / 39.1GiB 
/dev/sda5       705M   26M  626M   4% /var/log          # conky reports 25.8MiB / 704MiB
/dev/sda6        68G   31G   37G  46% /home             # conky reports 30.5GiB / 67.3GiB    
/dev/sdb2        67G   38G   25G  61% /media/1TB/TS     # conky reports 37.8GiB / 66.2GiB
/dev/sdb1       849G  701G  107G  87% /media/1TB/IMG    # conky reports 700GiB / 849GiB
$

Just found this:
https://computingforgeeks.com/check-dis … -with-duf/

# duf
╭───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮
│ 8 local devices                                                                               │
├────────────────┬────────┬────────┬────────┬───────────────────────────────┬──────┬────────────┤
│ MOUNTED ON     │   SIZE │   USED │  AVAIL │              USE%             │ TYPE │ FILESYSTEM │
├────────────────┼────────┼────────┼────────┼───────────────────────────────┼──────┼────────────┤
│ /              │  39.1G │   9.9G │  29.1G │ [#####...............]  25.2% │ ext4 │ /dev/sda1  │
│ /home          │  67.3G │  30.5G │  36.8G │ [#########...........]  45.3% │ ext4 │ /dev/sda6  │
│ /media/1TB/IMG │ 848.5G │ 700.3G │ 106.4G │ [################....]  82.5% │ ext4 │ /dev/sdb1  │
│ /media/1TB/TS  │  66.2G │  38.2G │  24.6G │ [###########.........]  57.7% │ ext4 │ /dev/sdb2  │
│ /media/300GBIT │ 273.9G │ 143.4G │ 116.5G │ [##########..........]  52.4% │ ext4 │ /dev/sdf1  │
│ /media/storage │ 273.9G │ 146.3G │ 113.7G │ [##########..........]  53.4% │ ext4 │ /dev/sdd1  │
│ /media/stuff   │  66.7G │  20.6G │  42.7G │ [######..............]  30.9% │ ext4 │ /dev/sde1  │
│ /var/log       │ 704.3M │  25.8M │ 626.0M │ [....................]   3.7% │ ext4 │ /dev/sda5  │
╰────────────────┴────────┴────────┴────────┴───────────────────────────────┴──────┴────────────╯
╭───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮
│ 6 special devices                                                                                 │
├────────────────┬────────┬────────┬────────┬───────────────────────────────┬──────────┬────────────┤
│ MOUNTED ON     │   SIZE │   USED │  AVAIL │              USE%             │ TYPE     │ FILESYSTEM │
├────────────────┼────────┼────────┼────────┼───────────────────────────────┼──────────┼────────────┤
│ /dev           │   3.8G │     0B │   3.8G │                               │ devtmpfs │ udev       │
│ /dev/shm       │   2.1G │     0B │   2.1G │                               │ tmpfs    │ tmpfs      │
│ /run           │ 787.5M │ 808.0K │ 786.7M │ [....................]   0.1% │ tmpfs    │ tmpfs      │
│ /run/lock      │   5.0M │   8.0K │   5.0M │ [....................]   0.2% │ tmpfs    │ tmpfs      │
│ /run/user/1000 │ 787.5M │   8.0K │ 787.5M │ [....................]   0.0% │ tmpfs    │ tmpfs      │
│ /sys/fs/cgroup │   3.8G │     0B │   3.8G │                               │ tmpfs    │ cgroup     │
╰────────────────┴────────┴────────┴────────┴───────────────────────────────┴──────────┴────────────╯
#

Screen output is in decimals, colour and apparently configurable. 
Niiiice ...

Best,

A.

Edit: 
Fixed [/dev/sdb1] and [/dev/sdb2] that had printout swapped.

#2 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Why hasn't sysvinit been abandoned yet? » 2026-07-05 18:24:41

Hello:

rolfie wrote:

sysvinit just does its job.

I have yet to find a logical explanation for the actual benefits of using anything but the default sysvinit in a Devuan desktop box.

A.

#3 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Why hasn't sysvinit been abandoned yet? » 2026-07-05 18:16:55

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

That kind of language is not called for ...

+1

A.

#4 Re: Installation » overlay-root » 2026-07-02 11:34:07

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

... bilibop use a lot of RAM?

No idea.
Had never heard of it before Devarch mentioned it.

Apparently (?) it is an alternative to [overlayroot].

bilibop Ubuntu manpage wrote:


"Instead of yet another new, living fast and dying young, Debian based distribution, bilibop has been designed as a set of few debian packages. bilibop-lockfs may also be installed on a laptop or on a public computer as an alternative to fsprotect or overlayroot, and bilibop-udev (or bilibop-rules) should also be installed on a LiveUSB."

[bilibop] Ubuntu manpage.

It can also be found in the Devuan repositories.

Best,

A.

#5 Re: Installation » overlay-root » 2026-07-01 15:19:54

Hello:

Devarch wrote:

... using bilibop ...

Now, that one I had to look up. 8^°

Devarch wrote:

... whole / is on overlayfs on top of tmpfs.
... fine with chimaera, daedalus, excalibur sysvinit ...
... software that I use works.

Good to know, especially when I have all but decided to remain on Daedalus past [oldoldstable] and the list of software I have in my box has not changed significantly since Devuan [jesse].
ie: archived, maybe two or more years from now.

Devarch wrote:

... issue with reboot/shutdown - 30 seconds delay if luks ...

Not my case.

Thank you very much for your input.

Best,

A.

#6 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] How remove Trash via terminal (324Kb needed / 0 Kb available) » 2026-06-30 12:43:21

Hello:

kapqa wrote:

... sounds a good advice ...

Does it?

kapqa wrote:

... such situation could be amended also otherwise?

For whatever reason, you seem to have have generated a size issue in the drive, apparently [root] which the OS reports being full.

Maybe your "small SSD" SDD is indeed too small for what you are attempting to do.
Maybe your partitioning is not the right one for a drive that small.

That said, bear in mind that you are on a [testing] release.
As such, it is usually/always problematic.

Boot with [gparted] live, open a terminal and run df to see "what is where" so to speak.
See what space [/home] and [/var/log] are using/have available and delete whatever you do not need to try to improve the situation.

Nuke a file named [.xsession-errors] usually found in [/home].

You may be able to boot after cleaning up all that.

A.

#7 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] How remove Trash via terminal (324Kb needed / 0 Kb available) » 2026-06-30 10:28:40

Hello:

kapqa wrote:

... if it is even still possible at this point ...

You may want to consider making a back-up image of the drive (just in case) and then booting via a [gparted] *.iso to first do a full check on the drive and then resize whatever partition is complicating things, probably /.

Best,

A.

#8 Re: Off-topic » The story of Mel » 2026-06-22 09:59:06

Hello:

stargate-sg1 wrote:

... the "further reading" sub-section contains an image containing Mel Kaye.

Nice find!

Note that the list of students (seated at the table) in the photo includes a spook suit student from the NSA.

Best,

A.

#9 Off-topic » The story of Mel » 2026-06-18 09:32:36

Altoid
Replies: 2

Hello:

Going through one of my daily rags, I came across a post with a reference to this link, which I am rather reluctantly posting here ie: the Off-topic page.

Not because it is not a truly delightful and inspiring read but because if it is so to a non-programmer like me, it will surely be of much higher significance to those who understand, make a living and/or dedicate time and effort to that very specific craft/art.

As such, it deserves to be in a much more important section of the forum or maybe become a sticky of sorts.

I think that there is a very important lesson to be had in those lines.

Best,

A.

#10 Re: Packaging for Devuan » request for a new Zettelkasten assistant » 2026-06-17 20:57:57

Hello:

amaro wrote:

... new note-taking package ...
... added to the repos. It's called 'zk'.

zk is not available in the official Debian repositories, which is the reason for it not being in the Devuan repositories.

If and when it gets included in the Debian repositories and has no 'unfixable' dependencies on systemd, you will find it after a few days in the Devuan repositories.

Until then, you (most probably) have the option of building it from source.

Best,

A.

#11 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Authorization required in Gajim » 2026-06-17 11:17:05

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... get rid of it too.

Ditto.

Best,

A.

#12 Re: Installation » overlay-root » 2026-06-16 13:05:20

Hello:

Sorry for the delay in answering, was away from my kb.
Or maybe the kb was away from me? 8^°

fsmithred wrote:

... worked and I didn't notice a difference.

Good to know.

rbit wrote:

... use overlay-boot on several servers ...
... bit of trial-and-error getting things set up, but for the most part it's been working well.

Thank you for the detail but I fear it is all rather over my head.
But it is good to know it works as you intended which means that it will most probably work for me.

So, one down. 8^)

rbit wrote:

... any particular question about overlay-boot?

The basic question for me would be if it will work for my (simple?) use case and most important, how to go about it.

To wit:

1.
Not decided yet but most probably will not be entering the Devuan Excalibur scene.
Reasons being how complicated it is getting (and will get) and the fact that (as mentioned) my box* works perfectly well with Daedalus.

That means I will not purchase any new core hardware (MB, PSU, etc.) save something wreaking havoc with my Sun U24.
Possible exceptions would be finding the odd SAS2/3 spare and matching controller, or a four socket PCI-E video card to replace the twin two socket FX580s for a decent price (liberating a PCI-E slot) or having to replace one or both of the SyncMaster 940n flanking a newer but also discontinued Dell P1914S.

*
TL;DR: all hardware that will run perfectly well with Devuan Daedalus (or even Chimaera) without a hitch - PBKAC being the obvious exception.

My idea (if feasible) is to run a Devuan Daedalus box in a highly protected space, isolated from the web for work/office crap.

And at the same time have web access by other means. eg: a VM running an up-to-date Devuan live ISO with some sort of sandboxed environment for banking, sharing downloads or video streaming (which I do quite a bit at these days).

My box hosts a headless Devuan Chimaera VM with a Pi-hole/Unbound DNS which could be moved to a RPi3B+ living in a drawer. It may then justify the time and money I spent on the bloody thing and in doing so, liberate memory (8Gb) and CPU (Intel Q9550) cycles for running the above setup.

That is about it.

Best,

A.

#13 Installation » overlay-root » 2026-06-15 12:42:00

Altoid
Replies: 7

Hello:

Aside from a post post by Ralph Ronnquist from early 2023, I have not seen or read about anyone using it.

Q: anyone using overlayroot?

Asking because I will most probably not upgrade to Excalibur, Daedalus works perfectly well with my ca. 2007 hardware, just like it did with  Jesse / ascii onwards.

Best,

A.

#14 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/ » 2026-06-14 13:18:13

Hello:

amaro wrote:

Is this an issue?

Not necessarily, more so if your graphics are working properly.

I had the same issue with my Nvidia Quadro FX 580s and Nouveau drivers.

amaro wrote:

If so, how to fix it?

See here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=51169#p51169

Best,

A.

#15 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-08 21:57:35

Hello:

blackhole wrote:

Stability, simplicity,code correctness, robustness and reliability ...

Could not have said it better.
+10

Best,

A.

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Screen randomly turns black » 2026-06-08 20:59:22

Hello:

Calamity wrote:

... seems to occur due to some changes (or bugs) in XFCE's power management.

I got rid of all XFCE power management stuff back in ascii, it was a PITA.

Best,

A.

#17 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-08 18:24:22

Hello:

@blackhole: agree on all, good analysis.
Seems we are more or less on the same page.

blackhole wrote:

... if you're just a desktop user ...
... except for perhaps slightly faster boot times.

Yes, perhaps is the right word.

And even then, just how much faster?
5 to 10s (!) less boot time?

Every morning, I switch on my box and go see if my moka pot has finished brewing my coffee.
I'm ready to log in when I sit down, mug in hand.

Best,

A.

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Screen randomly turns black » 2026-06-08 14:54:27

Hello:

... two commands I have tried did not work.
The screen went black again. Whatever that means.

Means the same thing as before: screen is going to sleep.  8^°

As you can see from your printout ...

--- snip ---
DPMS (Display Power Management Signaling):
  Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
  DPMS is Enabled
  Monitor is On
--- snip ---

... DPMS is/was enabled.

What does $ xset q say now?
ie: after the commands.

BTW: what desktop have you installed?

If XFCE, have you read this? it is in the body of https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31558#p31558

I wrote:

XScreenSaver
If xscreensaver is installed and runs alongside Xfce Power Manager, it may not be clear which application is in control of blanking and DPMS as both are competing for control of the same settings. Therefore, in a situation where it is important that the monitor not be blanked (when watching a video for instance), it is advisable to disable blanking and DPMS through both applications. To know more about XScreenSaver options, see XScreenSaver#DPMS and blanking settings.

Best,

A.

#19 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Screen randomly turns black » 2026-06-08 13:33:14

Hello:

Screen Saver:
  prefer blanking:  yes    allow exposures:  yes
  timeout:  600    cycle:  600

There you go ...  8^D
Your screen is blanking because it is set up to do so every 600 seconds.

As to why it did not happen before (Daedalus) and is happening now (Excalibur), I have no idea.

The solution is probably here ...

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31539#p31539
... or here:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … acking-out

I have no experience with how to set those parameters, maybe someone else can chip in.

Best,

A.

#20 Re: Documentation » Exploring Help systems semantics » 2026-06-08 13:05:37

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Pity to miss "man pages" ...

8^)

Best,

A.

#21 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Screen randomly turns black » 2026-06-08 12:41:02

Hello:

archaeon wrote:

... new to the forum ...

Welcome to Dev1.

archaeon wrote:

... my screen, while in the X environment, randomly (could be 1 minute, could be 20 minutes…) turns to black.

There is (in all probability) nothing wrong with your screen, it is just going to sleep.

Proof: it comes alive after touching the pad.

See this thread: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4502

There may be an answer on how to stop this behaviour there.

Edit:
Please open a terminal and run ...

~$ xset q

... then post the output so we can see what is going on with the settings.

Specific to what is going on with your screen are these:

--- snip ---
Screen Saver:
  prefer blanking: xxx    allow exposures:  xxx
  timeout: xxx            cycle:  xxx
--- snip ---

Best,

A.

#22 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-08 11:42:19

Hello:

Camtaf wrote:

... sysV for many years without any problems, so see no reason to change.

Indeed.

Like I wrote elsewhere:

Choosing anything other than the default Devuan [ext4] filesystem implies that you are absolutely sure that you have a use case that really justifies your doing so, a second implication being that you are sufficiently versed in the options being considered.
This (quite obviously) also applies to choosing any init package other than the default Devuan [sysvinit], something of a trend in the last few years.

From where I see it, keeping the default options is a basic part of the KISS principle.
ie: if it works as advertised / needed, is adequately supported and has not given you any grief, use the default.

In my case as a 100% Linux user for the last 14 years (the last 8 or so with Devuan), I have never (ever) had any isssues with [sysvinit] or [ext4].

Of course, 'choice' is a good thing to have.
For when it is needed and you absolutely know why you need it.

Not just for the sake of it.

Best,

A.

#23 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-08 09:25:55

Hello:

recklessswing wrote:

Runit seems fine.

Sure ...
Would not be in the repositories if that were not so.

Sysvinit also seems fine.
Being the default init package in Devuan since my first installation (jesse), it has always been what my systems used.
Other pre-systemd distributions I went through also had it as the default, again with no issues.

I never saw/noticed/came across any problem found to be related to sysvinit.

I cannot see a use case for any other init package.
ie: works as expected out of the box with no issues.

Best,

A.

#24 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Unintended reboot » 2026-06-04 11:11:33

Hello:

Red_Fir wrote:

... Dell 9020 reboots on every shutdown unless I explicitly hit the power button after shutdown ...

I have had a similar issue with my Sun U24 WS for years, fortunately it is not at every shutdown but just when the %$#"¿ crap BIOS feels like it.

I have found that it occurs when there are sharp changes in ambient temperature between booting and shutting down, most probably due to a badly written BIOS + a faulty/wrong on-board sensor spec, so it is an issue I decided to ignore.

That said, yours seems to be a well known issue with that Dell rig.
A quick web search with the unsolicited Google IA intervention (?) brought up this*:

Google search wrote:

If your Dell OptiPlex 9020 is randomly rebooting on Linux, it is usually triggered by a kernel panic upon hardware conflict, failing storage, or power supply issues.

* to be taken with a few grains of salt. 8^°

See here.

If sudo halt works, you may want to write up a script to shut it down via sudo halt && sudo shutdown -now.
Check the respective man files for the proper syntax.

Best,

A.

#25 Off-topic » Off Topic but relevant. » 2026-05-29 17:22:55

Altoid
Replies: 1

Hello:

And quite relevant at that.

Article by Liam Proven in today's edition of The Register.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That an app 'Fits on a Floppy' is still a useful measure in 2026
In a world of mass-produced bot-slopware, small is more beautiful than ever
by Liam Proven                              Published Fri 29 May 2026 // 09:15 UTC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Have a good week-end.

Best,

A.

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