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#1 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Lenovo Ideapad 100e F-Keys Work in Mint/Ubuntu but not Devuan/Debian » Yesterday 21:31:51

Hello:

Tatwi wrote:

Thanks ...

You're welcome.

Tatwi wrote:

... look into the the kernel log and the only keyboard related stuff I found was

Ubuntu 22.04-1 (Linux version 5.15.0-43-generic)
[    0.740658] kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input3
[   23.149199] systemd[1]: Starting Set the console keyboard layout...
[   25.390693] kernel: input: Ideapad extra buttons as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/PNP0C09:00/VPC2004:01/input/input8

Devuan 4 (Linux version 5.10.0-23-amd6)
[    2.366659] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
[    5.505134] input: Ideapad extra buttons as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/PNP0C09:00/VPC2004:01/input/input6

Right.
We can see that both installs 'see' and 'identify' both the keyboard and the Ideapad extra buttons.

Tatwi wrote:

... must be some additional software configuration that makes them work.

Could be.

Note the process in each boot.

Ubuntu 22.04 is Starting Set the console keyboard layout... while Devuan 4 is not.

Tatwi wrote:

... where else to look or what to look for, as I don't recall having any keyboard related issues ...

Something (module? package?) in being loaded by Ubuntu but not by Devuan.
In Ubuntu, the infamous systemd is taking care of that.

Just in case, check dmesg for errors:

~$ sudo dmesg | grep -i "error\|warning\|fail\|segfault\|fatal\|not"

I recall that the issue with my 1000HE was related to a file/package (eeepc-wmi?) not loading due to some change in the kernel.

Best,

A.

#2 Re: Other Issues » installing Appimagelauncher » 2023-09-27 17:17:50

Hello:

Charon795 wrote:

... using the daedalus version.
I do not know if these dependencies are suitable ...

Is that package in the Debian repositories?
I cannot find it.

Devuan is Debian albeit without systemd so if a package is not in the Debian repositories you won't find it in the Devuan repositories.
Now, if it is in the Debian repositories but requires systemd to run, then you won't find it in the Devuan repositories.

As a Devuan user you should know that by now. (!)
That and that installing applications from foreign repositories is really not a good idea.

That said, from the information you have posted it is quite obvious that the package you are attempting to install requires systemd to be present.
Devuan does not and will not ever use systemd.

If you really (really) need to have an appimage launcher, you will need to find a Linux distribution that uses it.
There's no way around that.

Best,

A.

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Lenovo Ideapad 100e F-Keys Work in Mint/Ubuntu but not Devuan/Debian » 2023-09-26 16:14:33

Hello:

Tatwi wrote:

... laptops where the function keys have special action assigned to them.

My Asus 1000HE had/has a similar issue which was never fixed by Debian.

Check the Ubuntu dmesg printout against the Devuan dmesg printout and see if there's any mention of that.
There's probably some driver or module you need loaded, present in the Ubuntu distribution and not in the Debian based ones.

Best,

A.

#4 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » viber font issue » 2023-09-21 15:37:40

Hello:

amaro wrote:

... ideas are appreciated!

I cannot find that package in any of the Devuan repositories.
I cannot find it in the Debian repositories either.

At this time, Devuan is Debian albeit without systemd so if a package is not in the Debian repositories you won't find it in the Devuan repositories.

Where did you get it from?
How did you install it?

Best,

A.

#5 Re: Installation » Devuan repository with insecure connection? Can't be ... » 2023-09-17 19:05:33

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

about:preferences is a user-friendly front-end ...

Yes and the settings there should be properly reflected in about:config.
It is actively discouraged by FF to go there, soon we won't be able to tweak anything.

Independently of the fact that not eveyone fiddles around with about:config, dom.security.https_only_mode is set to false.

I have FF 91.9.1 esr installed on my 1000HE and it works properly. ie: with the option Don’t enable HTTPS-Only set as I have done for the longest while.

boughtonp wrote:

... check whether there's any "safebrowsing" crap ...

No.
Besides, I cannot recall this happening with the previous version. ie: 102.15.0esr-1~deb10u1

EDIT:

It seems that it is an issue with FF.

And from the looks of it, it won't be looked at by Mozilla or fixed any time soon.
At least, the thread seems to suggest that the solution is that you emply a work-around.

ie: with FF everything has to be via HTTPS and if you don't like that, file exceptions.

Yet another reason to ditch FF.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#6 Re: Installation » Devuan repository with insecure connection? Can't be ... » 2023-09-17 15:02:39

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

... main setting is (should be) a three option radio group, looking ...

Yes.
That is exactly what I have and how I have it set.
As I understand it (with no per-site exceptions enabled) when you check that option ie: the one I have set, FF should not be enabling HTTPS-Only Mode.

But apparently it does.

So, my guess (?) is that something is amiss but then I may not have had enough espresso yet.
Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#7 Re: Installation » Devuan repository with insecure connection? Can't be ... » 2023-09-17 13:33:04

Hello:

rolfie wrote:

Read that entry carefully: I think it means ...

Indeed ...
Makes me wonder why it would be worded in that rather confusing manner.
Wouldn't it have been much better (especially for idiots like mysef) to do it like this:

about:preferences#privacy
Enable HTTPS-Only Mode        -> false

ie: no double negatives

But that is in the about:preferences page.

The UI I does not have True or False (boolean) options.
It just has a circle, like box to tick but round.

Like this:

O   Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode  

So ...

If I don't tick the circle, it does/should not set the option Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode
If I do tick the circle, it does/should set the option Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode

Seems there's something amiss (?).

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#8 Re: Installation » Devuan repository with insecure connection? Can't be ... » 2023-09-17 12:40:28

Hello:

rolfie wrote:

Check FF options: if the "only https" option is selected ...

No, it is not selected.
I never set it up that way.

about:preferences#privacy
Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode        -> false

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#9 Re: Installation » Devuan repository with insecure connection? Can't be ... » 2023-09-17 11:40:04

Hello:

Thanks for the prompt reply.

pcalvert wrote:

... link uses "http" instead of "https".

Yes, I had read something here about that some time ago.

pcalvert wrote:

... be sure to check the package ...

Always do that to make sure any package is downloaded intact.
But as my installations/updates/upgrades all go through apt, I'd never seen this before.

I have inherent trust in Devuan repositories, what I do not trust is my sometimes flaky ADSL.  8^/

What called my attention is that this seems to be a FF thing as Pale Moon does not issue a warning.

Best,

A.

#10 Installation » Devuan repository with insecure connection? Can't be ... » 2023-09-17 09:58:35

Altoid
Replies: 10

Hello:

Just a heads up, not sure I understand exactly what is happening.

Updated FF 102.15.1esr-1~deb10u1 over 102.15.0esr-1~deb10u1.

Then, having seen a post on SLiM I went to check on the last package information. Wanted to read the change log for my all time favourite log-in manager.

Clicked on the package file and got this warning from FF:

File not downloaded. Potential security risk.
The file uses an insecure connection. It may be corrupted blah, blah, blah ...

What's going on?

Note: does not happen with the latest Pale Moon 32.4.0.1

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#11 Re: Installation » Devuan fstrim just like in debian » 2023-09-16 20:50:11

Hello:

Questionaut wrote:

... how to turn it on ?

For starters:
See here and here.

Best,

A.

#12 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] DigiKam » 2023-09-10 19:02:30

Hello:

OddS wrote:

Thanks for responding!

You're welcome.

OddS wrote:

... no dependency issues reported during install.

As apt takes care of the pesky dependencies, when you have an issue it won't be reported because it wasn't declared to apt in the first place, which in itself is the issue.

ie: apt won't know about it, won't bitch about it but the application will say it cannot find it. There are other scenarios, of course.
At least I think it works that way and there are other scenarios.

OddS wrote:

... don't see libtiff5 nor libIlmImf.

It seems that libtiff.so.5 library is provided by the libtiff5 package.

See here: https://packages.debian.org/search?sear … e&arch=any

As for libIlmImf it is provided by the libopenexr package.

See here: https://packages.debian.org/search?mode … =libIlmImf

See if you have it with this:  ~$ apt list | grep libtiff5 (do the same as below for libopenexr.

If you do you should get this line:

libtiff5/oldoldstable-security,now 4.1.0+git191117-2~deb10u8 amd64 [installed,automatic]

If you don't have it, try installing it ...

~# apt install libtiff5

...  and then see if DigiKam works

Please post the result.

Best,

A.

#13 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] DigiKam » 2023-09-10 14:16:50

Hello:

OddS wrote:

Upgraded to Daedalus ...
... installed DigiKam.
... but does not start.
... from terminal window it says there is no libtiff.so.5.

Some dependency issue (?)

OddS wrote:

... probably doing something wrong.

Not necessarily.

OddS wrote:

... correct steps after apt-get install digikam?

If it is being installed from the correct Devuan repositories, apt install digikam (as sudo or root) should suffice.

I run Beowulf (not Daedalus) with a backported kernel and XFCE so if I try to install it a HUGE 176MB of files get drawn in.
I do not like KDE so it is definitely not for me.

But being Daedalus a recent release, you should check if all dependencies are being met, maybe something slipped through the packager's error detecting sieve, happens sometimes:

~$ apt show digikam
Package: digikam
Version: 4:5.9.0-1+b1
Priority: optional
Section: graphics
Source: digikam (4:5.9.0-1)
Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team <pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Installed-Size: 3731 kB
Depends: digikam-private-libs (= 4:5.9.0-1+b1), libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libkf5configcore5 (>= 4.97.0), libkf5coreaddons5 (>= 4.100.0), libkf5filemetadata3 (>= 5.1.0.1), libkf5i18n5 (>= 4.97.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.4.0), libqt5sql5 (>= 5.4.0), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.4.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), perl:any, libqt5sql5-sqlite, libqt5sql5-mysql, digikam-data (= 4:5.9.0-1), kipi-plugins (= 4:5.9.0-1+b1)
Recommends: www-browser, ffmpegthumbs
Suggests: digikam-doc, systemsettings
Homepage: http://www.digikam.org
Tag: field::arts, hardware::camera, implemented-in::c++,
 interface::graphical, interface::x11, role::program,
 scope::application, suite::kde, uitoolkit::qt, use::browsing,
 use::learning, use::organizing, use::searching, use::viewing,
 works-with::image, works-with::image:raster, x11::application
Download-Size: 3577 kB
APT-Sources: http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages
Description: digital photo management application for KDE
~$

In my case (Beowulf), it boils down to this:

Depends:

digikam-private-libs (= 4:5.9.0-1+b1)
libc6 (>= 2.14)
libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0)
libkf5configcore5 (>= 4.97.0)
libkf5coreaddons5 (>= 4.100.0)
libkf5filemetadata3 (>= 5.1.0.1)
libkf5i18n5 (>= 4.97.0)
libqt5core5a (>= 5.11.0~rc1)
libqt5gui5 (>= 5.4.0)
libqt5sql5 (>= 5.4.0)
libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.4.0)
libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
perl:any
libqt5sql5-sqlite
libqt5sql5-mysql
digikam-data (= 4:5.9.0-1)
kipi-plugins (= 4:5.9.0-1+b1)

Once you get your own (Daedalus) depends list, check to see if the right libraries/versions are present and let us know.

Someone who knows more than I about this will surely chip in.

Best,

A.

#14 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] How to daemonize Timeshift so it can be run as a service? » 2023-09-07 20:39:48

Hello:

rdav wrote:

Thanks ...
... was wondering exactly this.

You're welcome.
If so, please mark the thread as [solved].

Best,

A.

#15 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Messed up keyboard characters » 2023-09-07 13:32:34

Hello:

Charon795 wrote:

... characters on the keyboard changed places.
... when it comes to any symbols like a dot ...

First we need to know what your exact keyboard layout is.
I take it that it is an English language layout, yes?

Does it have an identifying sticker label somewhere?

---

Most Dell-branded devices such as keyboard, mouse, external hard drive, speakers, do not have a Service Tag or Express Service Code. Such devices must be identified using the model number or name of the device. The label containing the device name and model number is usually located on the bottom of the device.

---

Please post a photo of the sticker label.

Best,

A.

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] How to daemonize Timeshift so it can be run as a service? » 2023-09-06 20:28:08

Hello:

rdav wrote:

Tnanks ...

You're welcome.

Be sure to check the different targets that Timeshift and BackInTime have.
Timeshift is better suited for system file backups and BackInTime for data file backups.

Teejee wrote:

Timeshift is similar to applications like rsnapshot, BackInTime ...  ... but with different goals. It is designed to protect only system files and settings. User files such as documents, pictures and music are excluded. This ensures that your files remains unchanged when you restore your system to an earlier date.

Best,

A.

#17 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] How to daemonize Timeshift so it can be run as a service? » 2023-09-06 02:02:17

Hello:

rdav wrote:

... clues on to run timeshift as a system daemon.

As a system daemon?

I have been using timeshift for many years now.
But it is not set up as a daemon (at least not since I started using it).

It runs cron jobs which you set up when you configure it to do what you want.
ie: schedule the [hourly, daily, weekly, monthly] snapshots.

And if you need to take one manually, you just do it directly from the UI.

See here and here.

Bear in mind that the original developer/maintainer (teejee) closed shop and it is now maintained by the people at Linux Mint.

HTH.

Best,

A.

#18 Re: Devuan » Question for devs... Debian 12 can be installed without systemd » 2023-09-05 20:56:48

Hello:

Camtaf wrote:

AntiX & MX Linux developers have been ...
... so, yes, it can be done.

I beg to differ.
If it could be done, Devuan would not exist as an OS, it would be a (maybe) complex script or collection of linked scripts.

You and I are referring to two very different things:

1. installing Debian (as it comes out of the box) without systemd.
2. installing Devuan or AntiX/MX via what their respective developers/maintainers do.

If you are installing Debian you do not have a choice of inits.
And if you want to weed it out after installing Debian, you cannot.

Please read the post at the provided link and the ensuing thread, it is explained albeit I don't know if correctly / thoroughly enough.
Once I realised what it was about, I stopped reading.

I don't know exactly what AntiX/MX developers/maintainers do, so I cannot compare.
But I more or less know what Devuan developers/maintainers do*:

Devuan developers/maintainers use sysvinit and then sanitize any Debian packages that need systemd so that they will work without it.

And if they cannot be sanitized, they are blacklisted/banned from the Devuan repositories which, to all extent and purposes, are exactly the same as the Debian repositories albeit without the banned packages.

In short: Devuan is Debian without systemd.

That's about it, so my contribution to this thread (useful or not) ends here. 8^)

Best,

A.

* corrections encouraged and welcomed.

#19 Re: Devuan » Question for devs... Debian 12 can be installed without systemd » 2023-09-05 11:10:34

Hello:

mweishaar wrote:

When Debian 12 was released, I read through the release notes/wiki and saw it's possible to install a different init system.

In my opinion, it was just pour la galerie, so to speak. ie: an effort to, in the early stages of the systemd takeover, appease those who voiced their dissent.

But ...
Debian with another init?
Please ...

There was some more smoke and mirrors FUD from a self described Debian insider sometime ago but it was just that.

Sorry to be the one to break the news to you but that is definitely *not* in Debian's plans.
Deprecating SystemV support was the last step in that direction.

lwn.net/Articles wrote:

"Support for System V service scripts is now deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please make sure to update your software
*now* [1] to include a native systemd unit file instead of a legacy System V script to retain compatibility with future systemd releases."

[1] the asterisks are not mine, they are in the original.

The inevitable result will be that in a very short time there will be no SystemV compatible packages in the Debian repositories as devs/maintainers will not include init scripts for a deprecated init in their packages, something that will inevitably extend to all Debian based distributions using systemd.

I've said it many times before: there is a lot of moolah behind making systemd the de-facto init for the Linux ecosystem.
systemd is nothing but a MS registry for Linux and the main purpose is to turn Linux into a MS type OS, with all that such a thing implies.

Like a poster at The Register once said with respect to systemd:

"... it is nothing but a developer sanctioned virus running inside the OS, constantly changing and going deeper and deeper into the host with every iteration and as a result, progressively putting an end to the possibility of knowing/controlling what is going on inside your box as it becomes more and more obscure."

But there's nothing new at hand: it is the old MS embrace, extend, and extinguish that has been going on for decades, only that now there's active and quite visible participation from IBM/RH and last but not least Microsoft, corporation that that went from labelling Linux a cancer to wanting to become best friends with it while everyone smiled and said "how nice of them to do so".

Devuan (and derivatives) is still holding on but who knows for how long this will be so.

Best,

A.

#20 News & Announcements » New version of sudo in Rust » 2023-09-02 19:11:59

Altoid
Replies: 1

Hello:

Came across this today.

Thomas Claburn@The Register wrote:

The sudo command-line tool has been implemented in the Rust programming language
to hopefully rid it of any exploitable memory-safety bugs.
Prossimo, a project overseen by the non-profit Internet Security Research Group (ISRG),
announced the first stable release of sudo-rs this week. That open source codebase
includes the related su command-line program, again in Rust.

https://github.com/memorysafety/sudo-rs

Best,

A.

#21 News & Announcements » The Register's OS desk writes about Devuan Daedalus » 2023-08-21 21:19:39

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

The Register's Liam Proven and his article on Devuan5:

---

Version 5 of systemd-free Debian remix Devuan is here
Debian Bookworm without the controversial init – or the platform support, or the polish
Liam Proven - Mon 21 Aug 2023 // 10:00 UTC

---

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/21/ … ee_debian/

I am of those that think that itis better to be talked about than ignored, but ...

Liam Proven wrote:

Devuan is a hard distro to summarize.
On the one hand, the sort of xNix graybeard who favours Debian is also exactly the sort of curmudgeon who harbors grave concern about systemd, so it's good that there's an option.

On the other hand, it's bad that it split the already understaffed Debian developer community.

I'll just hold my thoughts and go make me a cuppa.

Best,

A.

#22 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta problems on Ideapad laptop » 2023-08-08 01:17:49

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

Thank-you.

You're welcome.

pcalvert wrote:

#1:

# dmesg | grep -i keyboard
[   13.000115] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input8
[   22.030425] ideapad_acpi VPC2004:00: Keyboard backlight control not available

Right, there is the working kb, as seen by SystemRescue.

pcalvert wrote:

#2:

# xinput list
⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ PixArt USB Optical Mouse                	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ ELAN Touchscreen                        	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)]
⎣ Virtual core keyboard                   	id=3	[master keyboard (2)]
    ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard             	id=5	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Power Button                            	id=6	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Video Bus                               	id=7	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Power Button                            	id=8	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Sleep Button                            	id=9	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Lenovo EasyCamera : Lenovo Easy         	id=12	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Ideapad extra buttons                   	id=13	[slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard            	id=14	[slave  keyboard (3)]

There is the PixArt USB Optical Mouse and what SystemRescue sees as a touch screen.
I assume that there's no such thing, just a touchpad.
Right?
 
I've had a quick look around and it seems that the Elan touchpads are a rather troublesome thingy for Linux.

Please do this:

sudo dmesg | grep -i elan to see *if* dmesg has something to say about the touchpad.
and
cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i "input driver" to see what driver SystemRescue uses for the kb and post the results.

Best,

A.

#23 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta problems on Ideapad laptop » 2023-08-07 19:35:32

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

... Refracta 11.2 on a Lenovo Ideapad 210 Touch ...
... touchpad and keyboard do not work ...
... With SystemRescue, the touchpad is also nonfunctional, but the keyboard works just fine.

Seeing that System Rescue actuallu finds the keyboard, look at what its logs have to say about it:

~$ sudo dmesg | grep -i keyboard

As to the touchpad, see what x11 has to say:

xinput list   #if you don't have it you need to install it:

sudo apt install xinput

Please post your findings.

Best,

A.

#24 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Is it possible to install czkawka? » 2023-08-05 11:04:05

Hello:

Taz wrote:

... czkawka hangs with a missing dependency libgtk-4-dev which is apparently not installable.

What version of Devuan are you attempting to install it in?

That package does not seem to be in the Debian repositories.
And as you surely know, not in the Debian repositories => not in the Devuan repositories.

That said, libgtk-4-dev is only available ceres:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … .10.4+ds-2

and daedalus:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … 4.8.3+ds-2

Best,

A.

#25 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browser for netbook running Devuan » 2023-08-01 11:11:44

Hello:

chris2be8 wrote:

... worth using free and vmstat to see how much your swap file is being used.

Yes, but it will have to wait till I have some time to do that.
For now, I seem to have solved the problem by installing 91.9.1esr.

chris2be8 wrote:

... firefox must have something else wrong with it.

I do not use the 1000HE much, just roast coffee with it one a fortnight and keep it updated.

As I have not had to do any local travel since a couple of years before the pandemic hit, browser usage has been limited to accessing the web to check on something while/if my box was off-line which is not frequent so I cannot really say at which point this started happening.

Although I suspect it is this last (available) version

But something is amiss: either a bug or FF code now does things it did not do in previous versions.
Would not be at all surprised.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

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