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#1 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2019-04-01 15:38:42

Keep the good work MIYO. Passionate people move this shitty world forward ;-)

#3 Re: Devuan » What happened at » 2019-03-31 23:50:56

The answer is simple and is "today"

#4 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Security update delays » 2019-03-18 16:14:55

Hi fsmithred,

nothing has changed in the repo: there was just a mistake in the numbering of the latest version of debootstrap in ascii. It should have been named +devuan2.1 while it has suffix -devuan2.1 (notice the difference between "-" and "+"), As such, version "-devuan2.1" is lower than any of the other versions, hence it is never considered for installation. Also, "~" sorts before anything else :-)



#5 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 08:49:53

Hi All,

there is *no* automatic conversion to merged-usr during update or anywhere else in Devuan. The only way to force a transition to merged-usr at the moment is to install the package `usrmerge`, which is not installed by default. In beowulf there will be the option to have a merged-usr in expert install, but the default will remain a non-merged usr.



#6 Re: Installation » Beowulf, where to download from » 2019-03-16 11:20:57

gop wrote:

Hello to all!
I am a new Devuan user, with a fresh installation of ASCII. May I ask two (naives) questions?

1) which file from the links above is the net installation for Beowulf?


2) is there any "authoritative" way to pass from ASCII to Beowulf?

Thank you very much in advance.

Hi gop,

Beowulf has not been released. If you are familiar with the Debian way of dealing with releases, Beowulf is more or less equivalent to a Debian/testing. Hence, there are no official installation images for it yet. There is only a stripped-down testing minimal iso that can be used to perform a netinst. It is available at: … t/mini.iso

If you want to upgrade an existing ascii to beowulf, you can use as a reference the guide provided at: … e-to-ascii

noting that you are not upgrading from jessie to ascii, rather from ascii to beowulf. If you spot any bug in beowulf, please report it.



#7 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Trimming the cloned Linux tree » 2019-03-13 12:00:19

BTW, if you just need a newer kernel in Devuan ASCII, ascii-backports has the latest 4.19. I mean, you normally don't need to compile a kernel from scratch. You obviously can do that, but even if you choose to to so, either use the corresponding debian source package for "linux", or compile it through kernel-package, or at least use `make bindeb-pkg`, so that you will get a .deb package that you can install and remove.



P.S.: Please be more accurate with quoting: from your message it looks like I said something which I actually did not say at all ;-)

#8 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Trimming the cloned Linux tree » 2019-03-13 11:15:06


why do you need the git repo of the kernel at all? if you just want to compile the kernel yourself, use one of the tarballs available at You should get the git repo only if you want to contribute to kernel development. If you are determined to have a repo anyway, you should try a shallow clone, but that's not particularly easy in a repo as large as that...



#9 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problem with mounting partitions » 2019-03-13 11:10:40

RIA77 wrote:

I'd like to mount partitions with click.
How to properly edit etc/fstab ?

You shouldn't need to modify your fstab at all. Which version of Devuan are ytou running? Which Desktop Environment? Have you fiddled with policykit or consolekit/elogind by any chance. This should work OOTB in Devuan ASCII.



#10 Re: Devuan » Someone had a how make devuan which specific packages? » 2019-03-13 11:08:08


Devuan has its own devuan-sdk:

which is a tool to create different kinds of Devuan-based images. In your case, you can create a live image by using live-sdk. It comes with two pre-defined "blends" (desktop-live and minimal-live). It's an easy and extremely customisable way of getting your own live Devuan derivative.



#11 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan server outage -- please read » 2019-03-10 14:21:23

Dear D1rs,                                                                                                                           
just to let you know that everything is up and running again. There                                                                   
was a glitch in one of the nodes hosting part of our infrastructure,                                                                 
which was solved by nextime.                                                                                                         
Thanks all for your patience.                                                                                                         

#12 News & Announcements » Devuan server outage -- please read » 2019-03-10 09:15:37

Replies: 3

Hi D1rs,                                                                                                                             
we have experienced an outage to part of the Devuan infrastructure. As                                                               
a result, the following services are not currently reachable:                                                                         
- *                                                                                                                 
We are working to resolve the issue. In the meanwhile, please use                                                                     
'' as a package mirror in your sources.list. The rest of                                                               
the infrastructure (ML, forum, repos, files, git, BTS, popcon, etc.)                                                                 
is up and running. We will keep you posted with updates.                                                                             

#13 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [solved] sysvinit: Most simple way to start command as user » 2019-03-09 14:01:48

You can use init-d-script (man init-d-script) which encapsulates most of the complexity of dealing with writing an init-script. This is an almost unknown piece of the sysvinit package, that is not as widely used as it probably should be.



Edit: actually, if what you need to run is not properly a daemon, rc.local might be the best solution.

#14 Re: Other Issues » PHP 7.2 on Jessie » 2019-03-04 17:53:32

In general, you should only use third-party repos only if you trust them. And I would not trust a third-party repo which says it is providing php7 and then also contains a replacement for openssl. Please be careful with this stuff, and use it at your own risk. You would probably be better off upgrading to ascii, if you desperately need php7. Or compile it by yourself.



#15 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] xscreensaver works but prompt has no text » 2019-03-04 17:48:48

It looks more like you need elogind/consolekit installed, rather than fonts, IMHO.

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan on SSD » 2019-03-03 06:10:45

golinux wrote:

Isn't "long life SSD" an oxymoron?

This is not the case any more. Just have a look on the interweb, as I did before recently buyng a new SSD. I was skeptical about them as well, but as I found out I was totally wrong.

The average write before starting to reallocating sectors seems to never fall below 300TB for SSDs produced in the last 3 years. Some of them can go up to 2.4 PB before the first sectors get reallocated. This means that you can fully write 1TB disk between 300 and 2400 times before it starts to physically wear out. In many cases, this will amount to several lustres (if you write 50GB of data every day, you will need 6000 days to write 300TB, which is slightly more than 16 years). The expected fraction of SDDs having one write failure during the first three years of their lifespan is 0.3%, or 3 over 1000. I know this might look big, but for classical HDDs this percentage is normally much higher (around 3-5%), and HDDs have 50% probability of failing after 6 years.

In conclusion, there is no scientific argument supporting the myth that SSDs fail more often than HDDs, rather the opposite.

Then, if you ask me whether the extra speed provided by the SSD was worth the 120GBP it costed, I would say "probably not entirely, at least in my case". I mostly use lightweight applications, and my laptop has uptimes of several months, which means that almost everything I need is always availalbe either in RAM or in the buffer cache or in the disk cache, and loads pretty fast. There is a noticeable improvement in boot times and start times of heavy applications, but again, those are mostly outside my use case. YMMV.

So the main reason why I actually decided to buy an SSD was basically its expected durability :-)

Please feel free to move this post elsewhere, if it looks OT.



-- edited "2.4 TB" -> "2.4 PB"

#17 Re: Documentation » HOWTO: package caching with nginx » 2019-02-13 22:17:03

specing wrote:

Put this config inside the http section:

#proxy_redirect off;
proxy_set_header Host $host;
proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr;
proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for;

proxy_cache_path /data/nginx/devuan levels=2 keys_zone=devuan-cache:4m max_size=10000m inactive=1y loader_files=1000 loader_threshold=10000;
# caching options
proxy_temp_path  /data/nginx/disttmp;

# TODO: proxy_ssl_verify!
server {
    listen 80;
    server_name mirror.local;

    access_log /var/log/nginx/proxy_mirror.access_log main;
    error_log  /tmp/proxy_mirror.error_log debug;

    access_log on;
    error_log on;

    location /devuan {
        proxy_set_header Host;
        proxy_redirect default;

        proxy_cache devuan-cache;
        # for items with response codes 200 (Success:OK) and 302 (Redirection:Found)
        proxy_cache_valid 200 302 3y;
        # for 404 (ClientError:Not Found)
        proxy_cache_valid 404 1m;

        proxy_cache_revalidate on;

IMHO, this should not work on its own, since you still need a good deal of redirecting. You still need to provide paths and redirects for /merged (having just /devuan will not be enough) and those have to be redirected to either a devuan or a debian mirror, as needed.  But I might be wrong.



#18 Re: Devuan » Is some part of systemd running in ascii 2 ? » 2019-02-13 22:05:30

It's most probably elogind-related, and it's stuff needed for session management. If you ```apt-get remove --purge elogind```, the folder will disappear (but you will not be able to automount any USB drive as a user, reboot/suspend as a user, and similar stuff). elogind is an alternative to systemd-logind which replaces systemd code (and removes most of the unnecessary stuff).



#19 Re: News & Announcements » Reporting bugs in devuan » 2019-02-13 22:02:53

rolfie wrote:

I am trying to submit bug reports from an ASCII installation.

reportbug from Devuan is installed, reportbug/stable,stable,now 7.1.6+devuan2.1 all  [installiert]. When trying to use it, it consequently crashes when selecting a topic from the list shown when you enter other as package name. The list presented is Debian stuff anyhow.

Also tried reportbug-ng/stable,stable 2.1. Also wants to send stuff to Debian, not to Devuan????? Mail prepared in Evolution:, 

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

--- Please fill out the fields below. ---

   Package name: Devuan Beowulf netinstall
        Version: Feb. 07 2017
Upstream Author: [NAME <>]
            URL: []
        License: [GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.]
    Description: [DESCRIPTION]

The default configuration is not correct obviously. How can this be fixed?

Thanks, Rolf

Please report the exact error message you see. If it's something related to reportbug not being able to retrieve existing bug reports via http, we know it already, and we are not fixing it any time soon. Just ignore it, say "No", and continue. Also, the only way to submit bug reports to is via email, so you need a working email account.



#20 Re: Other Issues » Wireguard (VPN) Kernel Modul » 2019-02-13 05:43:27

Phoen7x wrote:

Could it be possible that there is the wrong kernel(-headers)?
uname -r:

But its: Linux devuan 4.17.0 armv7l GNU/Linux

I've installed:
devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_sunxi.img.xz with orangepi_zero_defconfig.bin

But maybe something went wrong and it's not the right kernel??

I've installed linux-headers-4.17.0 but i think the right must be linux-headers-sun8i

You need matching kernel headers for wireguard-dkms to work.



#21 Re: Devuan » Is some part of systemd running in ascii 2 ? » 2019-02-13 05:42:10

robert-e wrote:

Yes, I did first thing.  That is why I deleted the (other) systemd folders and files; they should not have mattered to the os.  However when the systemd folder in /run got recreated on reboot, I got kind of concerned.  Moreso, when I could not chattr +i that empty folder to immutable.  I know I can just reinstall and pay more attention, but there is little learning in that. wink

Thanks for all your trouble for me.

Best regards,

Hi Bob,

can you plase report the list of files you see under /run/systemd/ after boot? Could you please confirm that you are not using any non-Devuan repo?



#22 Re: News & Announcements » Reporting bugs in devuan » 2019-02-09 14:03:04

I confirm that nothing has changed: bugs should be filed at, using reportbug. That's the only way to actually keep track of all the outstanding bugs. You are still free to report on DNG, or on this forum, but don't be surprised if the report goes "forgotten". The way to report bugs in Devuan is by using `reportbug`, as explained in the first post of this thread.



#23 News & Announcements » First Devuan Conference -- Amsterdam, 5th-7th April 2019 » 2019-01-19 19:39:35

Replies: 7

Dear D1rs,

the First Devuan Conference will take place in April 2019 in Amsterdam: … e-20190119

Book a place at: … 2138704309

The original announcement from DNG is reported below. See you in Amsterdam.


Dear Init Freedom Lovers,                                                                                                             
Once again, the Veteran Unix Admins salute you, and now invite you to                                                                 
celebrate community development and software freedom at the first                                                                     
Devuan Conference this coming spring! See                                                                   
# Devuan Conference #1: "THE POWER OF CHOICE"                                                                                         
# Starting: Friday, April 5th 13:00 CEST                                                                                             
# Ending: Sunday, April 7th 16:00 CEST                                                                                               
# Location:                                                                                                                           
    Amsterdam Houthavens                                                                                                             
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# Presentations                                                                                                                       
- PID1: Welcome and Introductions                                                                                                     
- The Importance of Minimalism and Modularity                                                                                         
- CI Galore: the Devuan SDK and the Docker Toaster                                                                                   
- Make Your Own Distro                                                                                                               
- Competing with Giants: How to Sell Devuan to Your Company                                                                           
- Maemo-Leste Mobile Phone OS on N900                                                                                                 
- DECODE OS for P2P Micro-Services over Tor                                                                                           
- Dowse: the Rod for Local Area Network Awareness                                                                                     
- ... More to be announced                         

# Hacking sessions                                                                                                                   
- Installing Devuan-live                                                                                                             
- Devuan with s6/s6-rc                                                                                                               
- Disk Encryption                                                                                                                     
- ... Suggestions welcome                                                                                                             
# Register                                                                                                                           
An Early-Bird All-Access Pass[1] to the conference is 95€ (about $110                                                                 
USD)* with one meal per day catered. Space is limited to 70 for                                                                       
on-site participation, and registration is on a first-come,                                                                           
first-served basis.  Register early to guarantee your reservation.                                                                   
For those unable to attend, the event will be live-streamed, recorded,                                                               
and available online.                                                                                                                 
Happy hacking and see you there! ;^)                                                                                                 
[1] … 2138704309                                     
*Cost of the 3-day pass is calculated on a non-profit basis to cover the                                                             
expense of location, equipment, and related materials.

#24 Re: News & Announcements » [package bump request] Youtube-dl » 2019-01-13 10:17:55

Dutch_Master wrote:

Could someone update the youtube-dl package for Ascii please? The current package is from mid-2017 and it's now failing on certain (but not all) YT URL's.


(this is probably the wrong place, but I couldn't think of a better location. Probably tiredness, sorry!)

Dear Dutch_Master,

with the risk of re-stating the obvious: Devuan (as Debian) is not a rolling release. Devuan ASCII is the stable branch of Devuan. Once a release becomes "stable" it will not receive updates any more, except for security issues, which will go anyway in <codename>-security, and simple issues related to the Debian packaging itself, which will go under <codename>-updates. This means that the versions of packages are freezed at the time the release went out (actually, a few months before that happens). There is a place for higher versions of some packages in Debian/Devuan, and that place is "<codename>-backports". This is a suite of the repo that offers newer versions of some packages to a stable release, guaranteeing that they will work without requiring anything that is not already available in the "main" suite and/or in the "<codename>-backports" suite itself.

Since youtube-dl is a script that keeps changing over and over again, and does not have many dependencies, the best options for a single user are probably to either 1) use the "source" version, and update it every once in a while,  or 2) install the deb from Ceres, and pin it down appropriately.

The third option would be to have youtube-dl included in Devuan's ascii-backports. But that needs somebody who is willing to maintain it for backports, i.e., to update it and make sure that it works properly in ASCII. There is no point in getting upset if you are suggested/requested to maintain a package you need, as there is no point in asking somebody else to do that on your behalf :-) Devuan is mainly a community effort, and the people currently working on Devuan development have no time to handle backports. Nevertheless, literally anybody is welcome to join such development effort, so this situation can change in the future if people interested in having such and such package backported to stable actually step up and do some work for that to happen.



#25 Re: Off-topic » way for shell script to show a string in notification area? [SOLVED] » 2018-12-20 10:03:51

Depending on yout definition of "notification area", dzen2 could be what you are looking for.



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