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#1 2018-03-20 11:56:28

Terence
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From: Munich / Germany
Registered: 2018-03-20
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Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

Hello,
I'm new in this Forum and also no experienced on Devuan (or once Debian). I start with 'Linux Ultimate' (8 years ago), after six months change to 'Ubuntu' and since them stick with KDE (Kubuntu till few months ago and now KDE-Neon). My favorite is KDE 4 but also acclimate (a little bit) with Plamsa 5.

If I well understood for KDE is recommended to use 'ascii' , nevertheless many questions make a round in the head cause of lack of experience in config-files and deep knowledge of Linux in general . I'm mouse-clicker and not programmer but want to joint 'systemd'-free OS and I know that much to learn is on front of me. At end looking for (at least) best links to reach my goal and here the questions/detailed-link-request:

1) Newbie-Link (please) with instructions for install 'Devuan' and switch to 'ascii' (if necessary/recommended).
2) Newbie-Link (please) to set 'OpenRC' as default and parallelize it (parallelized services-start and applications?).
3) Wish to know witch Kubuntu-/KDE-Plasma-Version-s correspond to 'ascii' and the 'PPA' i have to insert.

An additional question is: Will 'Wayland' take place (a day) /come to 'Devuan'?

Thank you very much in advance for any answer and best regards, Terence.

Note: I can abdicate to parallelized 'openrc' if it not work.

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#2 2018-03-20 14:11:21

fsmithred
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Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

ascii has kde 5:92 (I checked the version of kde-plasma-desktop). You don't need any PPA (and you should not use any PPA or non-devuan repositories.)

Installer isos are here -
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_b … aller-iso/

If you want to install openrc from the installer, choose Advanced Options from the boot menu and then choose Expert Install.
When you get to 'Load installer components from CD' choose the second item in that list, "Choose init". At some point, you will be given a chance to choose openrc. I don't know anything about parallelizing service startups in openrc. Isn't that what causes long delays in boot times with systemd?

Here's an installation guide for jessie. It will work with ascii, too.
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgra … install.md

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#3 2018-03-20 19:30:03

Terence
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From: Munich / Germany
Registered: 2018-03-20
Posts: 4

Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

Thanks a lot fsmithred and sorry to bother you again.

I read the installation-instructions but there is no mention how to install KDE. The second point about PPA, how to install proprietary (at least) GPU-drivers on 'Devuan'? Can you propose additional links for those two topics? Is there a guide anywhere?

On the search for OS without 'systemd' discover 'TrueOS' and there i found https://www.trueos.org/handbook/using.html#tuneables can run (experimental) parallelized. Thankfully found finally  Devuan

Thanks again and best regards

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#4 2018-03-20 21:06:46

fsmithred
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Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

I think kde is one of the choices for desktop environments in the ascii installer isos. If not, you can un-check the desktop options and install just the standard system utilities. When you reboot into the installed system, become root (or use sudo) and apt-get install task-plasma-desktop

For proprietary graphics drivers, see the debian wiki. The procedure for devuan is the same.

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#5 2018-03-21 06:50:18

Terence
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Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

If PPAs like Ubuntu (Kubuntu, KDE-Neon) are not possible, and I understand this, how can I install all the staff inside this list?

file:///etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu xenial-getdeb apps games
# deb-src http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu xenial-getdeb apps games

file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/audio-recorder-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/freecad-maintainers-ubuntu-freecad-stable-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/gambas-team-ubuntu-gambas3-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/gezakovacs-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/librecad-dev-ubuntu-librecad-stable-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/libreoffice-ubuntu-libreoffice-5-3-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/maarten-baert-ubuntu-simplescreenrecorder-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozillateam-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/neomilium-ubuntu-heekscnc-devel-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/nilarimogard-ubuntu-webupd8-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/otto-kesselgulasch-ubuntu-gimp-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/team-xbmc-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-ubuntu-make-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntuhandbook1-ubuntu-dvdstyler-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/videolan-ubuntu-stable-daily-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-ubuntu-java-xenial.list
file:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-ubuntu-tor-browser-xenial.list

Last edited by Terence (2018-03-21 07:00:01)

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#6 2018-03-21 09:32:32

Terence
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Registered: 2018-03-20
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Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

Now I'm completely confused (GPU-Drivers) roll I read following:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … for-rx-470
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xse … deo-amdgpu
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd … u/download

deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main

https://talk.devuan.org/t/upgrading-dev … -ascii/363

cat /etc/*version
results in ascii/ceres

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan
So it sames the line in '/etc/apt/sources.list' should be:

deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian ceres main

but if I change the address of second and third link in 'ceres'... the pages do not exist.
Nonetheless, no 'signing-key' for 'ceres' repository? that's main Debian-Repo! should i deactivate after driver is installed  or will come undesirable packages in the system!?

Nevertheless remain the 'Wayland' questions still open. Reading the first link appear that Debian and Devuan (maybe too) don't support it, but KDE and many others DE (mentioned in your install-instructions-link) support it and I know (e.g. KDE) stop developing x-apps (only maintenance since Qt 5.12).
Even KDE 4 was also used in FreeBSD, Arch, Fedora, Mint, Kubuntu, etc. but my Ku 14.04.1 crashed (first crashed Linux I ever seen) as Ku 17.10 appear and I find 'systemd' in it. Besides I write just now under KDE-Neon-User-Edition (Qt 5.12.3) in X-11 and (believe me) is not yet finished and I had to switch from KDE-Neon-LTS-Edition (Qt 5.8...) cause of malfunctioning (no 'kdesudo', DE-inconsistencies, etc.)

I get slowly cold feet! Can someone help me? Or better to wait until all those things are solved!?

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#7 2018-03-21 12:02:03

fsmithred
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Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

I think I suggested checking the debian wiki for the graphics drivers. I did not suggest using debian sources.

DO NOT USE DEBIAN OR UBUNTU SOURCES IN YOUR sources.list file.

https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free

For all those ubuntu packages, just remove 'unbuntu' from the name and install it. For example, instead of installing libreoffice-ubuntu from the ppa, install libreoffice from the devuan repository. Do the same with the other packages.

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#8 2018-03-21 15:18:09

golinux
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Registered: 2016-11-25
Posts: 871

Re: Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE

Also do not rely on information at  https://talk.devuan.org/ .  There should be a notice at the top of every page to "PROCEED WITH CAUTION".  It is there for a reason - the info is about a year old and may no longer be correct.

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