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brocashelm

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Registered: 2020-06-29

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GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

Welcome to the Unthemable, Bloated, Stinky Foot Toolkit Horror Show. Soon enough, we'll force Wayland down your throat by way of GTK5.

We can only blame MATE and Xfce developers AND users for not forking/improving GTK2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn3Aeen1snA

HardSun

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Registered: 2025-07-29

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

artix is keeping gtk2 around atleast. For as long as they build without much patching.

the next best thing is going suckless and do everything in the terminal.

blackhole

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Registered: 2020-03-16

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

We can only blame MATE and Xfce developers AND users for not forking/improving GTK2.

Always easy to blame those people who presumably should have developed and maintained 23 year old software for free...

Calamity

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Registered: 2021-10-23

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

Blaming the victim is Evil's standard defense mechanism. It attracts all attention away from the perpetrators and back onto the receiving end.

A classic trait of psychopaths and narcissists, what else can be said...

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brocashelm

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

The problem is that the current "solutions" are not reasonably sound for a lot of regular people who just want to use their computers without stuff getting in their way. Suggesting tiling WMs or doing everything in the terminal is like picking between burning to death and drowning.

That, and shifting the blame on the person offering some constructive criticism to go do the project maintainer's job compounds the whole enshittification aspect of FLOSS. There will never be a "Year of the Linux Desktop" until people stop allowing nonsense to affect code.

HardSun

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

why dont you do something about it then brocashelm.
my solution is to scale back the use of gui's.

tux_99

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Registered: 2025-06-17

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

What is this mania of late of removing older stuff just for the sake of it?
I mean I can understand removing it when it no longer builds and would need major adaptation to build with current tool chains but until then there is no reason to remove things.
I have the impression that in the last few years more and more people have become unable to cope with variety and have OCD to reduce choice as much as possible (I'm not just referring to the Linux world where Gnome and GTK4 are prime examples, I noticed this in many aspects of life).

I don't know if that's due to the widespread smartphone addiction (or the ever increasing EM fields we are exposed to due to all wireless stuff) that has somehow affected peoples brains or due to something else.

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golinux

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

What is this mania of late of removing older stuff just for the sake of it?

We are like "cattle" being herded into the abattoir of commerce and control to enrich the rich and eliminate personal freedom.

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brocashelm

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Registered: 2020-06-29

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

why dont you do something about it then brocashelm.

I already did. By using Xfce 4.12 DEB files on Daedalus.

g4sra

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Registered: 2018-12-12

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

Here is another concerning trend

git grep -l '\<systemd\>' linux-stable.git/Documentation/ | wc -l
23

Twenty three kernel documents referencing (IBM/RedHat's lets not forget the commercial interest source from whence) systemd.
As far as I am aware only one would be legitimate, SYSFS.

tux_99

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Registered: 2025-06-17

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

That's probably their (IBM/Redhat) ultimate wet dream, make the kernel depend on systemd...

blackhole

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Registered: 2020-03-16

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Re: GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories

No idea what any of that has to do with the deprecation and obsolescence of gtk2 - and it's removal from Arch Linux repositories.

It does mean, however, that GTK 2 has reached the end of its life. We will do one final 2.x release in the coming days, and we encourage everybody to port their GTK 2 applications to GTK 3 or 4.

https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/

It's very simple: When gnome 2 was declared EOL by the gnome project, people stepped up, forked it and that's why Mate exists. You also have projects such as Xlibre and of course Devuan... without someone doing the work, it doesn't happen. You will get the same script on the OpenBSD mailing lists - one of the least corporate FOSS projects there is.

The writing was on the wall for gtk2 with regards to systemd embracing projects such as Arch.... so this thread really is non news.

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