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Reopening this thread to see if it can stay on-topic and away from the irrelevancies of political ideology.
Going to close this as it is never going to be useful for anything. Political opinions never are . . .
There is also a post about this from last month on riseup.net and this was the reply:
Crossbill replied... 2019-05-08
Hello,
We are working on a debian package of riseup-vpn, its getting close to being done. I suspect that this could be installed and used without systemd.
crossbill
I have requested a notification if this package ever gets finished.
Hi penguin and welcome to devuan. I got that email from riseup.net today also. Unfortunately snapd is on devuan's banned package list. So unless someone removes that dependency and repackages there is no way to install without systemd. And that may not even be possible.
OMG! Not another thread about this . . .
I won't be venturing there either.
I'm just the messenger . . .
Thanks for taking a look. That actually surprised me so good for you!
There are some other ideas here:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 89.en.html
But the real issue is somewhere here:
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3
Perhaps you can find the needle in the haystack that is causing this?
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/amprolla.txt
Speculation is not useful; it's a foolish pastime. We have a lot of work to do before we can even begin to sort those issues. It's best to just put one foot in front of the other in the present moment and we'll get there eventually.
@jitterssnowpaw . . . I have moderated your meltdown posts to a hidden area to spare you the public embarrassment. sgage has given you some ideas to de-stress. You are welcome to continue when you have regained your composure.
Ah, just saw your last post. Goodby then. That is also an option. Take care . . .
List of banned Debian packages. Some may never be decontaminated of systemd.
List of Devuan packages. Not all of them are systemd-related.
So, I'm curious and genuinely asking: what's exactly the point of Devuan?
Perhaps to make Debian great again. Just imagine what Debian would look like if Devuan did not exist. Shudder . . .
You might also want to look at these guides:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … -here.html
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … evuan.html
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … stall.html
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … e-gui.html
Those links are on the Download page of the devuan.org website.
(S)He who does not seek will not find.
So two maintainers have left then?
More than 2 Debian devs hang out with Devuan. And no . . . I'm not going to list names. ![]()
I'm glad if Dbus will be devuanized. I don't like to have libsystemd0 installed.
libsystemd0 is no longer present in beowulf thanks to changes in libelogind.
Or Debian will come to its senses by allowing init freedom at installation and requiring packages to support all init options.
This should help to explain things:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2858
Have you read the Release Notes? Plenty of tips in there that might help you sort this. Those notes are for ascii. I guessed because you didn't specify which release you were on.
stanz wrote:My next donation will not go thru dyne! We'll chat about that one day.
Is there another way?
There is not afaik.
I can confirm all of the above. When in a mood HoaS can be an equal opportunity offender who "blesses" many forums with his presence. His track record on this forum to date has actually been fairly benign compared to what has happened elsewhere. I also know that there can be no offense if none is taken. Let it be like water on a duck's back. I'm all for "free speech" but if things get too disruptive, there is always the big, red "time out" button. ![]()
I don't imagine many on this forum use google directly and I have never seen verbatim on DDG or SP.
Thanks HoaS.
In your Google search, put the word "Devuan" in quote marks.
That too. There are quite a few "operators" but recently seem to be ignored at times. Google just wants to feed me what they think I should see. It's frustrating.
Hi Ozi . . . long time no see. Isn't backports already pinned in ascii? I use it so rarely, I've never checked if that's the case but that's what I've heard.