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#1 2019-06-14 19:10:45

tmartins
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The quality of systemd on Debian

Guys,

I'm reading in a few places that the systemd on Debian is really, really bad.

The package maintainers are leaving Debian!

2017:

https://lwn.net/Articles/622180

2019:

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ … 41971.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments … down_over/

People are saying that if you want a "stable" systemd-based system, you have to choose CentOS or Arch. Like, what a F*** is happening in Debian?! Sabotage?!

I thought that I would be using Debian forever, the search for an OS continues...

I'm wondering here how this bad situation will affect Devuan... Any thoughts?

Best,
Thiago

Last edited by tmartins (2019-06-14 20:49:23)

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#2 2019-06-14 21:06:25

dxrobertson
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

tmartins wrote:

I'm wondering here how this bad situation will affect Devuan... Any thoughts?


Hopefully it will drive more users to Devuan, a system that has no systemd problems.

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#3 2019-06-14 21:09:29

tmartins
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

But then, Devuan will, sooner or later, become independent and stop forking Debian (like Ubuntu does often).

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#4 2019-06-14 21:30:28

golinux
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Or Debian will come to its senses by allowing init freedom at installation and requiring packages to support all init options.

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#5 2019-06-14 21:39:32

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

tmartins wrote:

I'm reading in a few places that the systemd on Debian is really, really bad.

Do you have any links? Sounds like FUD to me...

tmartins wrote:

The package maintainers are leaving Debian!

So two maintainers have left then?

Debian have over 250 developers so I'm sure they'll manage smile

tmartins wrote:

People are saying that if you want a "stable" systemd-based system, you have to choose CentOS or Arch.

Which people?

Arch isn't stable at all, it changes all the time. It is surprisingly reliable though, as long as you install the LTS kernel — the non-LTS kernel breaks a lot (and certainly more often than systemd).

tmartins wrote:

Any thoughts?

Nice troll post, well done smile


Fabricando fit faber

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#6 2019-06-14 21:44:13

golinux
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

So two maintainers have left then?

More than 2 Debian devs hang out with Devuan.  And no . . . I'm not going to list names.   wink

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#7 2019-06-15 15:23:56

Panopticon
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
tmartins wrote:

I'm reading in a few places that the systemd on Debian is really, really bad.

Do you have any links? Sounds like FUD to me...

tmartins wrote:

The package maintainers are leaving Debian!

So two maintainers have left then?

Debian have over 250 developers so I'm sure they'll manage smile

tmartins wrote:

People are saying that if you want a "stable" systemd-based system, you have to choose CentOS or Arch.

Which people?

Arch isn't stable at all, it changes all the time. It is surprisingly reliable though, as long as you install the LTS kernel — the non-LTS kernel breaks a lot (and certainly more often than systemd).

tmartins wrote:

Any thoughts?

Nice troll post, well done smile


Look out here is the systemd fanboy. You are like an embeded virus, wherever there is a systemd debate you ferret it out.

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#8 2019-06-15 17:57:41

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Panopticon wrote:

You are like an embeded virus

Thanks d00d, that's the nicest thing anybody's said to me in a while smile


Fabricando fit faber

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#9 2019-06-15 20:17:24

Nili
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

@Panopticon You do not know him enough or properly, so you speaks so.


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#10 2019-06-16 10:36:06

Panopticon
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Panopticon wrote:

You are like an embeded virus

Thanks d00d, that's the nicest thing anybody's said to me in a while smile

No worries d00fus wink

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#11 2019-06-16 13:29:31

F_Sauce
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Stay friendly folks!

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#12 2019-06-16 16:06:06

Panopticon
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

F_Sauce wrote:

Stay friendly folks!

Stay init free man! wink

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#13 2019-06-16 20:07:52

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

F_Sauce wrote:

Stay friendly folks!

I have nothing but love for Panopticon and I totally agree with their assessment.

@Nili: thank you but I can be a real asshole when I'm in a mood big_smile

Sorry for the OT, OP!


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#14 2019-06-17 05:28:23

ToxicExMachina
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Panopticon wrote:
F_Sauce wrote:

Stay friendly folks!

Stay init free man! wink

Unfortunately init is just the tip of an iceberg.

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#15 2019-06-17 09:39:25

F_Sauce
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

smile

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#16 2019-06-19 05:51:34

czeekaj
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Re: The quality of systemd on Debian

Alright time for a fresh Gentoo install.

Although to be fair arch 'stable' is like unstable on backports so, although I do notice arch forums are full of help threads so it can't be all that bad.

Last edited by czeekaj (2019-06-19 05:53:30)

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