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#1626 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2019-11-14 17:38:59
It's not firefox that's pulling it in. Firefox-esr only suggests pulseaudio. It's getting pulled in due to Recommends in xfce. It's probably something similar in mate. Here's the command to check it:
$ aptitude why pulseaudio
i task-xfce-desktop Depends xfce4
i A xfce4 Depends xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
i A xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Recommends pulseaudio One good way to avoid pulling in packages you don't want is to only install the standard system utilitites and then add what you want after rebooting into the system. It also helps to exclude Recommends.
@steelpillow: you prefer a skirt? (or kilt)
#1627 Re: Installation » ascii 2.1 iso with openrc install doesnt work » 2019-11-13 18:02:23
You're right. The openrc package is not in the CD or DVD. It will only be installed if you selected a mirrorl.
You can still switch to openrc if you have an internet connection. Make sure sources.list points to devuan repos and install openrc. (See https://devuan.org/get-devuan for examples.)
#1628 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2019-11-11 15:10:13
I'm building beowulf isos with live-sdk without much trouble. I had to adjust a few things, and some of the adjustments are temporary. I don't want to push those changes to git until the temporary issues are solved. Meanwhile, here are the configs and blend file I'm using right now:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file … end.tar.gz
Make a beowulf directory like the ascii directory here: https://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk/tre … sktop-live
Replace devuan-desktop-live/config with config from the tarball. Replace the .blend file with the one in the tarball.
Copy config.beo from the tarball to beowulf/config
Or just compare the changes from the ascii files to the beowulf ones and use that as a guideline for modifying your own configs.
CAVEAT: I haven't looked at the instructions at the beginning of this thead in a long time. Some details have changed. If you follow the install directions on the git repo, it should work with minimal effort. https://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk
(I have done that recently.)
#1629 Re: Installation » Xfce panel notification area » 2019-11-08 23:28:57
Mine is greyed out in the list, too, and I still have a notification area in the panel. If you see a wicd (network) icon in the panel when the desktop starts, it's in the notification area. If I point the mouse at the correct stop, I can right-click and get the Properties box for the Notification area.
If I remove the notification area, it's no longer greyed out in the list, and I can add it to the panel. Apparently, you can only have one.
#1630 Re: Installation » ascii 2.1 iso with openrc install doesnt work » 2019-11-06 16:00:34
I tried it yesterday with the same iso you used. I ran the Graphical install and took all the defaults up to the point of choosing openrc. When it boots, openrc runs as expected. (Parts of sysvinit are still installed and are used by openrc.)
What did you do that's different?
#1631 Re: News & Announcements » Migrating from Buster to Beowulf - feedback needed » 2019-11-05 22:09:26
Nixer's method still works. I just tried it today on a buster standard-system (no X).
First time, I rebooted before trying to install eudev, and I got the long hang on dbus.
Second time, I instlalled eudev before the reboot, the install failed, I rebooted and did not get the delay. I then installed eudev again, and it succeeded.
On both installs, when I tried to install elogind and libelogind0 it wants to install a bunch of desktop apps. I haven't figured out why that is.
Short version:
- boot buster, install sysvinit-core
- download and install devuan-keyring
- change sources to devuan, update, upgrade
- (optional) install eudev and let it fail. This might save some time on the first reboot.
- reboot and install eudev, remove or purge systemd if it doesn't get removed automatically. (possibly libnss-systemd also)
- (optional) install libelogind0 if you want to replace libsystemd0. Without elogind, it's not pulling in the desktop apps.
#1632 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » No wired net » 2019-11-05 16:10:33
You most likely need a newer kernel. This has come up before and will come up again, so I just made an unofficial ascii desktop-live iso with the ascii-backports 4.19 kernel. You can try this, or you can wait until beowulf is released (or at least a beta).
https://get.refracta.org/files/experime … 5_1512.iso
sha256sum:
6c6bc57e33f48c55e4bcc53cfed14f5001b4f6a3c4f045082adf29def7084bb5 unofficial_devuan_ascii_2.1_bpo_amd64-20191105_1512.isoI don't know if the ascii versions of wireless firmware work with the backports kernel. (Not your issue, but someone else might need them.)
#1633 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Beowulf XFCE Display Manager » 2019-11-05 15:55:47
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I passed the message along and we're working on it. Package dependencies will be adjusted to fix this.
#1634 Re: Installation » (ASCII) Vserver hangs after upgrade of sysvinit » 2019-11-04 20:40:36
The usual way to downgrade a package after an upgrade is to find the package and its dependencies in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and install them with dpkg --force-downgrade -i <filename.deb filename2.deb...>
If possible, save the console output. There may be clues to diagnose the problem.
<command> | tee mylog
#1635 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Shutdown encrypted LVM on Beowulf » 2019-10-27 21:57:29
You can run reportbug to get a report, but you need to submit the bug by email. For cryptsetup, you'd need to send it to debian's bug list, but I wouldn't bother. They aren't going to fix it. From the bug report you cited:
There's no easy solution to fix this instead of using a initramfs which
is executed just after root device has been unmounted. To my knowledge,
this is not implemented for sysvinit shutdown process in Debian yet.
Tagging the bug as wontfix for that reason.
#1636 DIY » Convert isohybrid to regular iso » 2019-10-27 18:58:24
- fsmithred
- Replies: 0
A plain i386 iso (not isohybrid) was needed for an old mac mini, but all the devuan images are isohybrid. It's possible to turn an isohybrid file into a plain CD iso. Here's a detailed account of how to do it:
https://n0a110w.github.io/notes/sys-adm … -ISOs.html
Here's a brief description:
- mount the isohybrid
- copy the contents to an empty directory (myiso/ in the example below)
- repack the contents into a new iso file using xorriso:
xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -rr -l -partition_offset 16 -V test-devuan-live -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot -o my-new.iso myiso/#1637 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Shutdown encrypted LVM on Beowulf » 2019-10-27 13:01:12
There are no devuan cryptsetup devs to shame.
I did get someone else to look at this, and we will probably make a package that replaces the functions file similar to the one that mx/antix uses.
#1638 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Policykit, elogind & consolekit » 2019-10-24 09:43:32
Yes, we removed lxde from the desktop choices in the installer because we couldn't get the 'kits to play nice. Please keep us informed, and maybe we can add lxde back into the installer for beowulf.
#1639 Re: Other Issues » When Beowulf will become a stable? » 2019-10-21 03:37:32
Jessie was two years late. Ascii was one year late. If the trend continues, beowulf will be six months late.
We've gained more devs than we've lost in the past year, and we've had collaboration between debian and devuan devs. We are very much alive.
#1640 Re: Other Issues » Beowulf and Avahi-daemon » 2019-10-17 15:50:24
Put APT::Install-Recommends "no"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/norecommends and Recommends will be excluded on upgrades as well as installations.
Maybe aptitude why avahi-daemon will tell you something useful.
#1641 Re: Off-topic » yad without dbus? [SOLVED] » 2019-10-15 17:24:02
@fsmithred - On your no-dbus system, are you able to create a system tray icon using yad? What happens when you run $ yad --notification --image=dialog-ok --text="testing" &?
I get a notification icon in lxpanel. I can't tell what it is - maybe a bell - it's light on lighter background. If I use dialog-warning, then I get the warning icon, which is easy to recognize. It just works. I don't know why. The only new process that shows up is the yad command. Using this iso: https://get.refracta.org/files/experime … -04-16.iso
UPDATE: If I run the same command on my ascii/xfce with dbus, I get the icon in the systray and no additional instances of dbus in ps output. If I run strace on that command, the string 'dbus' does not appear in the output.
#1642 Re: Off-topic » yad without dbus? [SOLVED] » 2019-10-15 14:24:31
I have yad installed and working in a no-dbus system. (live iso) There are some dbus libs installed, but not dbus itself. Yad's deps don't include any dbus packages. What are you seeing?
#1643 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Is ~/.profile ignored when running live remastered images? » 2019-10-13 23:56:47
Copy those lines to ~/.bashrc and they'll work. I don't know why. I should, and I'm sure I've read an explanation, but I don't remember it. It's been like that for as long as I can remember (maybe as far back as lenny or etch.)
#1644 Re: Off-topic » need some help from my friends (FOSS development, Git, similar) » 2019-10-11 14:14:59
Graphics files can be part of a git project just like any other files. For example, go into the backgrounds folder here - https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base - and click on one of the .png files.
#1645 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » root-Terminal on Beowulf » 2019-10-08 14:13:39
The change in behavior of su is due to moving login from the shadow package to util-linux.
To revert to the old behavior:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16456#p16456
util-linux: Please use login/passwd implementations provided by util-linux
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=833256
#1646 Re: Installation » There is a bug in beowulf's /etc/profile file » 2019-10-08 13:32:25
It was correct the first way. If id is zero, you are root and need the sbin directories. If id is not zero, you are user and get games in your path.
If you think there's a problem with root's path in beowulf, I would say you are correct, but you mis-identified the cause of the problem.
In Beowulf:
- If you use su to become root, you keep the user's PATH, and need to use the full path to commands in *sbin, like this: /sbin/reboot
- If you use su - to become root, you get root's PATH and can run commands in *sbin directly, like this: reboot
To keep the old behavior, see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16456#p16456
#1647 Re: DIY » ditch your bloated network manager » 2019-10-07 15:26:46
It works here in xfce (refracta ascii), but I'm not seeing the icon on the panel. I haven't checked to see if I did anything wrong.
Even better, it installs and runs in my nodbus beowulf, and the icon shows up on lxpanel. Testing in a live-iso running in a VM was less than ideal, and I didn't jump through all the hoops to get it to actually connect. I can do that with an installed system some time.
Thanks.
#1648 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2019-10-04 21:04:55
cat /etc/sudoers.d/user_shutdown
phred ALL= NOPASSWD /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/halt, /sbin/poweroff, /sbin/rebootNo dbus needed. You can make panel buttons for 'sudo halt' and the others if you don't want to type it.
#1649 Re: Other Issues » Unable to ssh from A to B to execute sudo command with arguments » 2019-10-02 16:12:04
I'm no sudo expert, but you shouldn't have to mess with pam to allow a user to have certain commands with no password. First thing I would try is to just list the command with its full path but without the arguments. And maybe leave out the (ALL).
Maybe this:
os ALL= NOPASSWD: /sbin/wondershaper#1650 Re: Installation » Devuan ASCII on Lenovo T430 » 2019-09-29 20:38:59
fsmithred wrote:I think the installer normally asks you for additional CDs early in the install. It's been a long time since i've done that. I do know that if you install without a mirror, there are some packages that won't get installed, such as wicd, firefox, and synaptic. If you want them, you'll need to install them afterward, even though they are on the installer media.
Please explain why this is considered acceptable?
I can't think of a reason why synaptic doesn't get installed automatically, but skipping the network stuff does kinda make sense if you don't have a network.
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