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But from a technical standpoint alone: Is there still any technical advantage over debian 11? What are the reasons to keep Devuan when Debian has the same features?
there is also this mysterious package called "orphan-sysvinit-scripts" which seems like a substitute for some sysd packages. Not sure on that one. https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/or … it-scripts
On one hand, Debian presents the appearance of offering additional init options while at the same time, the sysvinit scripts needed to use those alternate inits are being randomly removed from Debian packages by maintainers as the second GR allows. The "orphan-sysvinit-scripts" collects those discarded scripts so those (now broken) packages will still work with alternate inits. Debian also does not allow alternate inits to be chosen during installation. Devuan filters systemd dependent packages that will not work properly with alternate inits. I can't imagine that Debian has any of those safeguards in place. IOW, to me, Debian's inclusion of alternate inits appears to be more window dressing than a viable and well-supported solution and one that is designed to fail.
I take it you've seen this article already?
Good news that there is interest in doing this. Almost exactly 3 years ago, I had brief contact with the LM developer and we discussed the possibility of basing LMDE on Devuan. Then I never heard from him again. Now it seems this idea might finally be taking off. Would be great if it happened!
Morty . . . did you actually read daseins post? A lucid analysis of the first GR vote.
yes sadly the reddit community was/is always heavily biased towards a pro-systemd view. As Debian opens the door to other init systems these opinions will hopefully change. Thanks to you Devuan community. I appreciate that.
My negative response to that thread was not about the pro-systemd bias. That kind of useless yammering is not an environment in which I want to swim. A complete waste of time.
I also dont think the debian votings regarding systemd were fair and many users got mistreated for their opinion in the linux communites. It always felt like a political thing to me. Like a powergrab.
That is an understatement. I think you might not have been around when all that went down so please educate yourself: Combatting Revisionist History
But from a technical standpoint alone: Is there still any technical advantage over debian 11? What are the reasons to keep Devuan when Debian has the same features? Just trying to get some infos to make my decision.
Yes. We have an amazing team that actually collaborates and solves problems collaboratively with egos left at the door.
Well, this theme has traveled a twisty road. I have just posted the (hopefully) final palette for the deepsea theme in the first post of this thread. More screenies to follow.
Now I know why I don't hang out on reddit.
Trust is a fragile thing and not easy to repair.
If you hang around here for a while maybe you will understand why Devuan is so special . . . or maybe not. It's about more than code . . .
Yes, there are square ones and round ones. Glad you could find them as they are rather buried in git, It's always good to make it your own!
Have a look at this maybe?
I LOVE the Gemini project. Devuan is well familiar with this project and gopher also. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of our forum users.
I'm on Devuan Stretch ...
There is no Devuan Stretch.
I only clicked one video but it played fine in my older PM once I enabled video (which I usually have blocked).
Get real. Some folk just know everything and no one else can do anything right . . . ![]()
That's not how backports should be used. If you upgrade everything in backports it could fubar your system. Only use backports for specific packages that are needed. For example, if you get a new video card and need newer firmware.
If you want the very newest run ceres (unstable) but be prepared for breakages.
It is currently unavailable because it is on the banned packages list.
But someone has forked it and looks like it is now available in unstable and chimaera.
Came across this via Distrowatch. I think this proves that Debian's vote about init systems was a complete farce.
We've been headed there for a very long time. It started in 2014 with the GR vote on init diversity that inspired the creation of Devuan. This excellent post-mortem by dasein analyzes all the gory details. A must read if you want to understand how we have gotten to where we are:
Looks like Devuan will be needing more hands on deck . . .
This is news?
Nice to see you and thanks for keeping the link updated. From a 2021 perspective, all that seems so naive. We really have gone over the cliff . . .
Thanks for alerting us to this. We're working on it . . .
not the symbol, it was "demsg" instead of dmesg.
LOL! May be time for me to get those cataracts removed.
head on a stick made a typo.
I'm not seeing it. # signifies root in a terminal. He just used the symbol instead of the words.
There is no such thing as "dist-upgrade to the backports". Perhaps that is the root cause of your many malfunctions. You may never unravel that hairball that you have created.
@dice . . . the surveillance state has been here for centuries in different forms. It is well explained by Eben Moglen at re:publica 2012 in Berlin. Almost 10 years later, the hole has gotten even deeper.
Enough folks . . .