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#1076 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-09-02 22:45:39
randomer wrote:Has anyone tried Hyperbola and their fork of Basilisk, Iceweasel-UXP? https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … redirect=1
I did a few months ago, the non free aspect of it killed my hopes of a working wifi connection though, no free drivers so i was stuck tethered to the phone for network. Good distro though and you can make it really lightweight and resource friendly. Iceweasel was good and worked ok, addons are not very straight forward and you cant just add them from firefox if memory serves me correct.
It depends, I have done exactly that with xul firefox addons to iceweasel-uxp. Webextension ones, no way in hell though. 
One laptop i have devuan on for gaming, but otherwise they will be running hyperbola from now on.
#1077 ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-02 22:42:59
- zapper
- Replies: 37
https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform
Debian apparently will support this soon, will devuan do the same?
I just wondered... 
#1078 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-04-29 03:38:18
At some point, can you add the package LibreSSL to Devuan? That would be more secure and lighter on resources then OpenSSL.
#1079 Re: Off-topic » I am new to Linux however i dislike systemd » 2018-11-18 02:09:08
I too was a gamer before using gnu/linux much like yourself Cynicfm. But I began to abandon it around windows 8.1.
For reasons of privacy/security. I wasn't knowing prior to that how bad windows was for security/privacy.
Personally though, as bad as systemd is, gnu/linux distros even debian is a wave of light compared to winblows 10 or winblows anything really... Windows is more like winbugs or winblows because of how much it sucks.
Not that you would like the distro I currently use, even though it doesn't use systemd and is free software, but Hyperbola is free software and doesn't use systemd at all.
Why wouldn't you like it you may wonder... Because it is a bit of a pain to install with encryption unless you are using libreboot devices with FDE. Also it is based off of archlinux and has a text mode install!
For me at first it was hard if not impossible, but since 0.2.2 or 0.2.3 releases and beyond, it has been easy. Because I now understand what I am doing. They added the guide to full disk encryption for libreboot about then.
You need a libreboot device though for this method of encryption, unless you are a really big expert on partitioning. xD
Devuan + jxself.org's linux-libre-lts is the next best option personally. But devuan does have that damn pocket s*** enabled in firefox just like debian.
I wish it was disabled by default. Who even uses that? ;p
Though to be honest, with Hyperbola they also ditch webext firefox which I also like, because webext is google garbage. Palemoon and Basilisk use XUL still, as does waterfox. But Basilisk has support for pre version 57 webext.
Noscript, Ublock origin, greasemonkey, privacy settings and random agent user spoof are my favorite addons for it. Most are being maintained currently of those five for forks, except the last two.
Anywho that's just a bit of info about me, as for minifree.org and their libreboot laptops, I highly recommend you buy them. They require no blobs, and the only thing that is questionable is the EC FIRMWARE separate from Libreboot which as long as you buy from them, won't be updated. but if you buy any of their devices, use transferwise to pay for the bill if you so desire to buy those laptops. Otherwise, it could be very expensive given how banks operate.
I personally have an x200. It is nice and durable to the point where I stepped on part of it once, and even dropped it once and it was fine. (NOT ON PURPOSE OF COURSE!) But yeah, you may have different results but long story short, you don't need any proprietary firmware or anything really questionable to run devuan or hyperbola or any free software distro on those computers.
Long rant I know, but yeah, just a few thoughts of mine. As for why I ditched Fedora, debian and trisquel which were my first distros after winbugs 8.1, Simply put to make it simple, I heard unsettling things about systemd and decided it was too questionable to trust. And the devs also were said to be very hostile, I decided that made it even more suspicious.
Anyways, enjoy devuan!
ps, linux-libre-lts is found here: https://jxself.org/linux-libre/
Oh, last thing if you get any computer whether from minifree.org or anywhere else, use Solid state drives, they the best for speed, battery saving and in general.
#1080 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Hyperbola Thread » 2018-06-11 20:45:35
Hyperbola has requested to be acknowledged on our init freedom page and that is being discussed. dxrobertson is correct that it is arch-based and only uses parts of devuan so not really a devuan derivative. More of a chimera.
I use Hyperbola now, I will tell you one thing though, it is extremely stable. Just don't remove essential or very much needed packages.
But yeah, this distro stopped me from distro hopping.
a bit of a warning, no graphical installer yet though. And I am not sure how to make /home and root be encrypted without everything else including boot.
I followed the libreboot guide for doing FDE but other than that I have zero clue how to do partitioning. ;/
Also, you need two laptops to do this to install on one. One to install on, one to read the guides. unless you have a printer...
Good thing is though, it has a hardened web browser, hardened email client and network-manager.
and updating usually is lightning fast even with only 300 or less mpbs per second.
But do not expect to install .deb files. I don't think it has a dpkg on it. and non-free software probably won't work unless it is through emulators like dosbox.
That's all I know of now. Just letting you know. AUR may work btw, but I really don't recommend it.
Again, it stopped my distro hopping.
#1081 Re: News & Announcements » How you can help Devuan » 2017-12-05 01:27:50
@zapper . . . https://en.liberapay.com/Liberapay/
Sorry if I am replying late, but yes.
#1082 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-12-05 01:26:34
The delay in GNUinos made me opt for Hyperbola GNU / Linux-Libre
Guess who also did the same thing,
I too have opted for hyperbola for many, many reasons.
Freedom
Security
Privacy
Free Software
Those reasons...
and also quicker updates to packages. And really... I don't need any package manager like octopi or synaptic.
#1083 Re: News & Announcements » How you can help Devuan » 2017-09-18 17:30:24
Poppageek wrote:Please consider setting up a https://www.patreon.com account so we can support Devuan on a monthly basis. Ubuntu Mate has this and seem to do rather well with it. I support a content producer via Patreon and have found it a great way to support those I appreciate.
Thank you.
Why should we use a third-party service that takes a cut of the donations? The systems we have in place should allow for recurring support.
I think this website might interest you in terms of a third party donations...
apparently, they might not have that issue... not positive... but look into it.
#1084 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-09-18 17:27:32
I wonder when amd64 beta version of ascii will be out for GNUINOS...
or for that matter a lot of things...
#1085 Re: Installation » Adding packages require CD-ROM? » 2017-09-13 01:21:51
garyz.dev1 wrote:My experience is like @nobodyuknow - the cd rom stays enabled - and there are two lines
one is commented out and the other right below it.
I just took it as part of the cd installInteresting that no one has stumbled on that before . . . at least that I can remember.
garyz.dev1 wrote:[that being said - I usually choose not network install as I feel the CD loads the basic system
faster than downloading.
' then I comment the "cdrom" source and get the rest via the standard locationsThat is a good plan when using the DVD install. Not such a good idea when using the CD install as there are not enough packages on the CD to create a fully functional system.
I noticed long ago, on trisquel, debian and devuan. I just never told anyone because I thought people knew already.
#1086 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-09-06 00:26:59
zapper wrote:Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
Because it's boringly stable and trouble-free. I will likely run it till 2020 eol.
It does have older packages, but if you like it that way then you should get the updates.
zapper wrote:We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
No new work is being done on jessie except for a few lingering pkgs in jessie-proposed. All attention is now focused on ascii. It's just that there hasn't been much focusing lately with August vacations etc. I keep hoping for some action . . .
I am sure things will pick up eventually.
#1087 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-09-06 00:24:37
zapper wrote:Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
Couldn't tell ya, I don't use Debian and really wasn't waiting for them to release 9 to start doing so, you'll forgive me if I don't get that excited or ever even really pay attention to what Debian is doing and don't care.
zapper wrote:We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
Why?
Jessie is stable and works, it does every conceivable task I could ask a computer to do and does it well. By FAR the lion's share of users want exactly that, 99.9% of them couldn't even tell you what a kernel is, much less which one they are using.
The only people clamoring for the latest bleeding edge distro-breaking whizzbangs, are a very few users that need some newer firmware, and a bunch of hardcore linux geeks that must have the latest everything for reasons even they can't fully explain or understand.
Given those facts, it's more than a little ridiculous to try and lobby people like the VUA's (who are trying to make a nice stable operating system for folks to use), to give that up and focus solely on trying to break as many computers as possible with buggy untested unstable software.
Plenty of work to be done on the stable branch, it's just a stable canvas to work on, people haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what it can do, or how to put it together in new and better ways.
And not for nothing but there are plenty of things to fix left by buggy gnome and redbutt annoyance-ware, and if we keep avoiding those issues they will never get fixed, there are bugs in Mate that have been there for over 5 years and before that in gnome2 and are STILL broken, while Mate actually brags (..shudder..) about switching to GTK3.....
Not gonna push the VUA's to do things any faster by making posts demanding they hurry up or by belittling the work they've already done, just gonna piss 'em off eventually and delay things even more.. it's childish and it needs to stop.
People have no idea of the true mountainous amount of work that has to be done to put out a distro like Devuan, no idea at all.
Zapper, sorry, not all this is directed at you, just needed saying and you caught the short straw this time.
Don't worry about it, I don't judge you for this. it must be kind of frustrating not having any updates for a while.
#1088 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-09-05 21:51:51
he did say "busybox-syslogd and syslog-ng"
I can't believe this is out for so long and nobody caught it. Ceres has a single repository, ascii has exactly the same repositories as jessie (security, update, etc). Just switch all your jessie lines into ascii. If you had looked at the proper web page it lists exactly the proper repositories. This is for future reference as too much time has gone by.
I have in a way parked all my devuan installations waiting for developers to deal with existing issues.
It appears that the summer siesta hasn't ended yet or things haven't gotten in a rolling mode again.
It appears as a strange decision to release Devuan 1 and then go on vacation, it just makes the project
look less professional, or serious. Maybe they should have waited for September.In any case, those more serious about bug fixing seem to have concentrated on the list, after all they
are mostly debian escapees and they will not adopt to anything better. The logs of the list are next
to impossible to search and locate meaningful information. It has been that way on debian since the
stone age and remains the same in devuan.Personally if it wasn't for the good work from refracta/fsmithred I would have lost all interest in this system.
Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
I think at some point devuan should get its repos the same way debian does, by itself. Though that may not happen for a long while I am betting. I am just saying, forking debian is a good temporary solution, but it should become independent at some point. long term imo.
PS, I use ceres now, and I am enjoying it thoroughly. Just a thunderbird/wicd-gtk and bleachbit error and enigmail error... otherwise it has been fine and exceptionally good. Good job on ceres and ascii devs! now I think you also need to work on jessie also. I hope you do this soon... either way though, I will not give up on devuan for a long time if ever.
#1089 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-09-05 01:12:21
Oh! I didn't know you could run without a syslogger. If you want one, there are two other choices that do work in ascii. busybox-syslogd and syslog-ng. (You don't need it often, but when you do, it's pretty important.)
There are better syslogs you can use including a busybox version of syslog.
#1090 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ascii & Ceres lightdm/xorg broken » 2017-09-05 01:09:07
The Strange thing is, I have only had issues with thunderbird and enigmail on devuan unstable and the solution was found thankfully.
I don't know how I did it or if someone else submitted a patch but it is fixed.
Oh and bleachbit/wicd-gtk also. But yeah minor issues easily fixable. GO DEVUAN! hehe.
#1091 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » linux-libre kernel 4.1.43 upgrade » 2017-09-05 01:07:15
Try linux-libre or linux-libre-lts from this website + instructions... jxself.org/linux-libre
Also follow his instructions especially if you use libreboot!
Which I do.
#1092 Re: Devuan » Question/Suggestion:What about being an entirely free GNU/Linux disto? » 2017-09-05 01:03:58
If you don't want contrib and non-free enabled during the installation, then choose expert install, and it will ask. If you don't know enough to use expert install, your wireless firmware will be installed automatically, and you will be glad you have it. Especially if you can't do a wired connection.
It is somewhat difficult to access expert install on a libreboot device. So yeah... I wish I knew how to do that.
On Libreboot x200 you do not need any non-free firmware or anything at all.
Well maybe the ec firmware, at least until its unlocked anyways... hehe.
#1093 Re: Devuan » Current state of Devuan regarding systemd » 2017-08-29 01:15:58
GNU wrote:What is the issue with ascii and ceres?
Amprolla, that is responsible for the Devuan repos, sometimes lags a bit behind the Debian repos. There are also more packages that need attention as systemd expands its reach. Focus now is on Jessie. Feel free to join in the effort.
Devuan ceres looks pretty freakin stable to me.
I just used it and my only error from updating was thunderbird wouldn't work for some reason. So I used icedove and for some reason that worked... weird but true...
#1094 Re: Devuan Derivatives » do you know when the earliest that gnuetertics will be in english? » 2017-08-06 23:25:57
Are you talking about https://gnuetertics.org? If so you should probably correct the spelling in the title.
thanks for the feedback my bad...
#1095 Devuan Derivatives » do you know when the earliest that gnuetertics will be in english? » 2017-08-06 18:42:44
- zapper
- Replies: 2
I would like a fully free devuan based 64 bit distro aka libre.
The sooner the better! If you would be willing to do this I will put my money where my mouth is.
edit: if this is a bad spot for my thread, feel free to move it elsewhere, I didn't really think before I posted.
#1096 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-06 18:38:47
zapper wrote:…/dev/mapper/gnuinos--vg-root does not exist …
(just guessing, after quick search)
… kernel issue?
… initramfs without lvm support?
I just (added it to a USB flash device that boots with GrUB4dOS, and) ran it live.
(vm envy)
I also tried the jessie image of gnuinos didn't have that problem although,
Gnuinos still has some freedom issues, such as firefox having pocket enabled...
and that it has firefox and not a derivative like icecat or even waterfox which still wouldn't be completely free due to the eme being visible and a nonfree repository aka mozilla addons.
I guess my point is, gnuinos needs some work. Still I am hopeful that this or gnueretics will produce something worth while in the future.
#1097 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-01 23:58:26
Login screen says Debian 8; I saw no shutdown/restart/suspend/etc options on it
Installer insists on adding bootloader (but respects redirection to partition), starts copying files without warning O_o
Good:
I'm not familiar with simpleNetAid; only-connection "ens35" failed to (find device,) connect
¿Does this assume an internet connection will be present and active on boot?
For me, it makes a bunch of errors, and eventually drops to busybox.
heh...
also blk-update request fails
missing modules /cat/proc/modules
/dev/mapper/gnuinos--vg-root does not exist dropping to a shell!
ps I use libreboot so I am curious if that is why this happened...
#1098 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-01 21:12:44
zapper wrote:fsmithred wrote:Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.
Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.
This is what I do:
qemu-img create -f qcow2 name-of.img 100g
In the directory where you made your image put your iso and:
sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) -cdrom (name of image, i.e., gnuinos.iso) -boot d name-of.img
To start the image after install do:
sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) name-of.img
HTH
This helps enormously. thank you! I really appreciate it.
Oh, by the way, any idea if, GNUinOS has the devuan ascii packages or not? Just curious when or if, I am still in the process of using qemu. I will let you know my findings...
#1099 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-01 14:55:37
Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.
Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.
I hope it will work for arm in the future btw, eoma68-a20 as my reason of course c201 chromebook asus is also a good reason. not as good though.
there may be others though, but for me, eoma68 needs this.
64 bit processors will be supported in the future though right?
#1100 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-01 01:07:02
Very great project
I really hope the maintainer of this project brings in devuan 9 at some point.
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